2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence

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With the power of the incumbency and the ability to get things done, I don’t see how Trump loses, particularly with covid and the economy getting better each week.
 
mchammer said:
With the power of the incumbency and the ability to get things done, I don’t see how Trump loses, particularly with covid and the economy getting better each week.
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And the media can ignore Biden's mental and groping issues only for so long before (I)s start to see through it and vote Trump. Hell, I think with the riots in Den cities, many moderate Dem voters will switch seeing what they have in store if Biden were to win.
 
one of the joys of visiting this board is seeing the constant displays of what I call the guitar syndrome. If you live inside a guitar you only hear the one tune. I first observed this when I moved from very liberal Austin to very conservative Lubbock some decades ago. All of a sudden the obvious became dubious-----people in Lubbock were certain but not in the same way as the folks in Austin. I gradually became acclimated to Lubbock thinking and while not agreeing with a lot of it I came to understand that just because all of us in Austin were in accord on all matters political did not mean that our certainty would be validated at the polls.

Long removed from both locales, I am blessed with the lack of certainty which automatically arises to thinking people who are not surrounded by amen corners at every turn.

Most of you cannot understand why Biden might pick that thing as his running mate and that his doing so is further evidence of your conclusion that he is demented. May be. Maybe not.

Thanks to Bone Spur's lovely penchant for pizzing off people it may be that all Biden has to do is keep part of his base placated, if not jubilant, and he has the numbers at the polls to prevail in enough battleground states to eke out a victory. And then he can rule by Executive Order just like his two predecessors.

I dono. I am old enough that I no longer feel I am a member of this society--I just don't get the culture or understand a political system that can continuously give us options like the Clintons, W, Obama, Bone Spur or Biden

All I can say is that you guys who call yourselves conservative and applaud a King who rules by executive order with no success in getting the congress mentioned in the constitution to do anything for him except pass a tax bill which any Republican could have done are deceiving yourselves if you think this guy has any kind of consensus or ever has had one. Or that he is now a shoo in for November.

John Connally once said that the reason the press treats elections as horse races is because that is what they most resemble. This one is going to be on a very muddy track and anybody who thinks they can discern what equine figure or its posterior will finish first is fooling themselves.
 
huisache said:
one of the joys of visiting this board is seeing the constant displays of what I call the guitar syndrome. If you live inside a guitar you only hear the one tune. I first observed this when I moved from very liberal Austin to very conservative Lubbock some decades ago. All of a sudden the obvious became dubious-----people in Lubbock were certain but not in the same way as the folks in Austin. I gradually became acclimated to Lubbock thinking and while not agreeing with a lot of it I came to understand that just because all of us in Austin were in accord on all matters political did not mean that our certainty would be validated at the polls.

Long removed from both locales, I am blessed with the lack of certainty which automatically arises to thinking people who are not surrounded by amen corners at every turn.

Most of you cannot understand why Biden might pick that thing as his running mate and that his doing so is further evidence of your conclusion that he is demented. May be. Maybe not.

Thanks to Bone Spur's lovely penchant for pizzing off people it may be that all Biden has to do is keep part of his base placated, if not jubilant, and he has the numbers at the polls to prevail in enough battleground states to eke out a victory. And then he can rule by Executive Order just like his two predecessors.

I dono. I am old enough that I no longer feel I am a member of this society--I just don't get the culture or understand a political system that can continuously give us options like the Clintons, W, Obama, Bone Spur or Biden

All I can say is that you guys who call yourselves conservative and applaud a King who rules by executive order with no success in getting the congress mentioned in the constitution to do anything for him except pass a tax bill which any Republican could have done are deceiving yourselves if you think this guy has any kind of consensus or ever has had one. Or that he is now a shoo in for November.

John Connally once said that the reason the press treats elections as horse races is because that is what they most resemble. This one is going to be on a very muddy track and anybody who thinks they can discern what equine figure or its posterior will finish first is fooling themselves.
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Wise words but Trump is going to win.:smokin:
 
Good post hui. I may not often agree with you this closely but I think a lot of what you’re describing is very real. I am one who does not think Biden’s pick hurts him at all and judging by the $$ rolling in I’m certain of it. While I’m supporting Trump I believe all Biden need to do is continue to lay low and Trumps desperation, imagined or real, will cause him to self destruct. Any slip will be jumped on and magnified 100x by the media while Biden just coasts along.
 
‘It Was a Planned Attack.’ Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot Says Looting Was Organized

The Mayor is getting fed up.

BLM leader say's:

"Ariel Atkins, a Black Lives Matter Chicago organizer, dismissed authorities’ narrative during a rally Monday in support of the more than 100 individuals arrested for various offenses during the looting. Her organization believes Sunday night’s unrest was an organic reaction to the shooting in Englewood, which she pointed out was yet another example of the distrust between police and many Black Americans.

“The Mayor cannot expect people to play by her rules as she refuses to treat them with basic dignity,” a Black Lives Matter Chicago statement said. “These protests can only end when the safety and well-being of our communities is finally prioritized.”

Is this what Tom Herman believes?
 
huisache said:
All I can say is that you guys who call yourselves conservative and applaud a King who rules by executive order with no success in getting the congress mentioned in the constitution to do anything for him except pass a tax bill which any Republican could have done are deceiving yourselves if you think this guy has any kind of consensus or ever has had one.
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You are spot-on. The Executive Orders are wrong. He should let Congress stand or fall on their action or in-action.
 
nashhorn said:
Good post hui. I may not often agree with you this closely but I think a lot of what you’re describing is very real. I am one who does not think Biden’s pick hurts him at all and judging by the $$ rolling in I’m certain of it. While I’m supporting Trump I believe all Biden need to do is continue to lay low and Trumps desperation, imagined or real, will cause him to self destruct. Any slip will be jumped on and magnified 100x by the media while Biden just coasts along.
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That's it in a nutshell.....This election is Trumps to lose and he is doing a fine job at losing it. I know it is completely impossible but Trump just needs to stay out of his own way and he could win.
His ego will not let him though. EVERYTHING is about him...EVERYTHING
 
Horn6721 said:
So all the incredible steps and policies he has taken that have benefited minorities and our country are only about him?
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Yes...now don't get me wrong I have been conservative my whole life. But just listen to him talk in all of his speeches. It doesn't matter what policies have been passed. Its always "look at what I did!" "Noone has done more than I have!" Its never "our administration worked hard at so and so". He acts as if he is the only one in the room.
 
I have to disagree. He does give credit to the administration. I'd like to see rally clips where he takes all credit and doesn't mention the hard work of others.
 
So Will You think all the amazing things he has caused or done that have helped millions and millions of Americans were only done to benefit Trump?
I would post a partial list but I know as a self proclaimed conservative you are aware of at least a few of his accomplishments.
 
Horn6721 said:
So Will You think all the amazing things he has caused or done that have helped millions and millions of Americans were only done to benefit Trump?
I would post a partial list but I know as a self proclaimed conservative you are aware of at least a few of hi accomplishments.
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Yes I do. He has done a few things for us in his 3+ years but it is only to build his ego and make him look good.

I may get killed for saying this but yes I am a conservative. I vote party line. But I do not like Trump. His arrogance, ego and his child name calling have turned me completely off. To me he is not an ethical man.
 
WillUSAF said:
Yes I do. He has done a few things for us in his 3+ years but it is only to build his ego and make him look good.

I may get killed for saying this but yes I am a conservative. I vote party line. But I do not like Trump. His arrogance, ego and his child name calling have turned me completely off. To me he is not an ethical man.
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So, you will still vote for him? Good.

I think it is safe to say most powerful and wealthy people through history have sadly been unethical. Hard to make that criteria for a vote but many people do.
 
horninchicago said:
So, you will still vote for him? Good.

I think it is safe to say most powerful and wealthy people through history have sadly been unethical. Hard to make that criteria for a vote but many people do.
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I agree most wealthy and powerful people are unethical but I feel that Trump thinks that he is untouchable.
There was a recent story that he said if Tiktok was sold to Microsoft that he should get some money for helping out the sale.....Now come on.....

I do vote party lines but I will not be voting for Trump this year.
 
Sounds like trolling. Makes no sense. You like the results but won't vote for the person whose admin is making it happen.

Good luck.
 
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A "few" things?
Seriously?
So would you rather he not have such a big ego and NOT have
lowered unemployment to historic lows for everyone including blacks and latinos?
Got Euro nations to pay a bigger share of NATO
Done away with NAFTA aned crafted a treaty that is more equitable for American workers and businesses
created opportunity zones
enacted Step One policy
created or is creating fairer policies with China
Appointed many many conservatives to the federal courts
Tax reform that benefited 97% of actual taxpayers
did you read what the Israel/UAE peace accord will mean to the world? In the presser btw Trump gave so much credit to everyone else

This is a partial list
I would really like to know if you would rather he have a smaller ego and not done those things.
I also wonder if you think a person with a lesser ego COULD have done those things?
 
huisache said:
Most of you cannot understand why Biden might pick that thing as his running mate and that his doing so is further evidence of your conclusion that he is demented. May be. Maybe not.
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I think most of us know exactly why biden picked that thing, but we're also going to point out the hypocrisy in it.

I'm not trying to understand your thought process, why do you think you understand ours? Again, just more hypocrisy and egotism.
 
Ok I will play one more time
So you do not like that he repealed and replaced NAFTA?
Got NATO countries to pay more
How about the Tax reform
More conservative judges?
Here is what you said
". He has done a few things for us in his 3+ years "

BTW that was a joke, about getting money from Microsoft. Aren't Presidents allowed to joke?
 
Horn6721 said:
Ok I will play one more time
So you do not like that he repealed and replaced NAFTA?
Got NATO countries to pay more
How about the Tax reform
More conservative judges?
Here is what you said
". He has done a few things for us in his 3+ years "

BTW that was a joke, about getting money from Microsoft. Aren't Presidents allowed to joke?
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Not Trump.
 
Horn6721 said:
Ok I will play one more time
So you do not like that he repealed and replaced NAFTA?
Got NATO countries to pay more
How about the Tax reform
More conservative judges?
Here is what you said
". He has done a few things for us in his 3+ years "

BTW that was a joke, about getting money from Microsoft. Aren't Presidents allowed to joke?
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Well just FYI I'm not a troll (i googled it lol)
1. NAFTA should not have happened in the 1st place
2. We should not even be part of NATO (i just got done serving 25 years in the USAF) I've served with the "other" NATO countries and they are a waste.
3. I am in favor of abolishing the IRS.
4. The judges I agree with (and he is only getting those with McConnells help)

And I know what I said. You might believe that it was a "joke" because that is what his administration said to say because of backlash but if you look at Trump as a person you know it wasn't a joke.
 
Will?
Stay on topic . Your points are irrelevant to what I asked
Maybe we should not have been in NATO or signed Nafta . Trump did not do either
What he did do was try to correct them which was good right?
You do know a POTUS can not abolish the IRS right?
Stay on topic. So the tax reform benefited milions
Don't you think those are good things for Americans?

You want to think it was not a joke so which would you rather have. Microsoft in control of tiktok and Trump getting money or the Chinese still in conttol?
 
And what difference would it make if he is in fact saying it's all him? Isn't it the results that matter?
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He is damn sure going to take all the blame if anything goes wrong.

This guy reminds me of my neighbor, who is a good friend, but hates Trump. When he called Trump "racist" and I asked what about historic low black unemployment, he said, I kid you not, "He only did that to get their votes." Well not shiite, Sherlock. The logic of these people is inscrutable.
 
Horn6721 said:
Will?
Stay on topic . Your points are irrelevant to what I asked
Maybe we should not have been in NATO or signed Nafta . Trump did not do either
What he did do was try to correct them which was good right?
You do know a POTUS can not abolish the IRS right?
Stay on topic. So the tax reform benefited milions
Don't you think those are good things for Americans?

You want to think it was not a joke so which would you rather have. Microsoft in control of tiktok and Trump getting money or the Chinese still in conttol?
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I don't see how one could say he is conservative and not agree with you AND think Biden or any other liberal Den would be better.

And, as a drunk denies being a drunk, trolls deny trolling.
 
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