2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence

Mr. Deez said:
And this kind of crap is what I was talking about in the other thread. If Trump had taken some really bold or assertive actions early on, the media would have said he was "seizing power" or "launching a coup." To the national media, there was no "right way" for him to handle it.
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With Trump, his mouth, and his Twitter, you know damn well he would have been rubbing himself in his own ****. That’s what he does.
 
4th_floor said:
Most on the list do nothing for Sleepy Joe. I think Harris and Warren actually hurt. Klobuchar might help some. If it were my decision, I'd pick her.
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He gets raked over the coals if he put Amy as the VP candidate...too many of the SJW's would come out and whine that persons of color were once again being ignored, never mind that Abrams is not qualified for the slot nor is Harris. It WOULD, however, provide yet another textbook example of the left eating its own...
 
LongestHorn said:
With Trump, his mouth, and his Twitter, you know damn well he would have been rubbing himself in his own ****. That’s what he does.
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I'll tell you what I told Trump supporters three years ago. If you have to bring up your opponent to defend your own or your own side's actions, then your defense is weak. Blatant one-sidedness, absurd fear-mongering, and licking the nutsack of one of the worst regimes of the last 100 years just to spite a President you don't like is indefensible - period.
 
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Have y'all noticed they never let Biden stand and field press questions?
It just doesnt happen. The last few times spoke publicly, he was on a time limit.
They tried hiding Hillary the last few months in 2016, but that did not work. And we are still many more months away.
It will be interesting to see if they try to restrict or minimize the debates. Maybe let him sit for them.
 
So, the wife and I were discussing the VP pick for Biden since he has stated that he will choose a female VP.

As some have stated here that Biden would be a puppet for the DNC and Democrat power players, we both agreed that it might be a ploy that Biden, if elected, would eventually resign within two years of being elected. Thus, achieving the first female president.

Why would he resign...you say? Well, again we both agree on this, he in our opinion is showing signs of dementia and it would be an easy way to explain his resignation as president.

For the record, I lean more Republican and my wife is more Democratic but she told me that if Bernie won the nomination that she would have voted for Trump.

Food for thought...
 
militaryhorn said:
So, the wife and I were discussing the VP pick for Biden since he has stated that he will choose a female VP.

As some have stated here that Biden would be a puppet for the DNC and Democrat power players, we both agreed that it might be a ploy that Biden, if elected, would eventually resign within two years of being elected. Thus, achieving the first female president.

Why would he resign...you say? Well, again we both agree on this, he in our opinion is showing signs of dementia and it would be an easy way to explain his resignation as president.

For the record, I lean more Republican and my wife is more Democratic but she told me that if Bernie won the nomination that she would have voted for Trump.

Food for thought...
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Kamala Harris
 
Some Dems are all excited about Cuomo turning out to be a potential candidate based on him getting daily national airtime.
 
mchammer said:
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The Atlantic isnt kidding
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Cuomo is appearing like a strong confident leader in a crisis, which is gonna matter more than all the corrupt and incompetent things he's been involved in prior to this time, sadly.{

Hitler railed against individualism and capitalism many times. He hated it. He was a socialist, hence the name of the party.

The difference with Nazis and Bolsheviks was that Bolsheviks collectivized around class, proletariat was working class. Nazis collectivized around the Volk, ethnic Germans. The program was virtually the same but focused on a different privileged group.
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There were other differences too. There wasn't government ownership of the means of production and distribution near to the extent socialism would advocate for. Plenty of private capitalistic enterprises were allowed to persist as long as they didn't fall afoul of party rules.

I'll tell you what I told Trump supporters three years ago. If you have to bring up your opponent to defend your own or your own side's actions, then your defense is weak.
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Generally, yes, but here's what I see happening a fair amount.

1) Alice criticizes Other-Team Candidate for something that she thought was good when Same-Team Candidate did it.

2) Bob says "Uhh Alice, if your person did it and you thought it was good, then you shouldn't consider it bad now, can we get some consistency please?"

3) Alice "Whataboutism!!!!!"
 
Hitler railed against individualism and capitalism many times. He hated it. He was a socialist, hence the name of the party.

The difference with Nazis and Bolsheviks was that Bolsheviks collectivized around class, proletariat was working class. Nazis collectivized around the Volk, ethnic Germans. The program was virtually the same but focused on a different privileged group.
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Statalyzer,
There were other differences too. There wasn't government ownership of the means of production and distribution near to the extent socialism would advocate for. Plenty of private capitalistic enterprises were allowed to persist as long as they didn't fall afoul of party rules.
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The Nazi government managed corporations. They were still privately owned in theory, but practically the CEO took directions from the Nazi government. It was like Darth Vader's deal with Lando Calrissian. It is basically what American Progressives want.
 
I see two types of VP choices:

1. A competent executive/administrator type from somewhere in the middle or middle-left.

2. A political bone throw to the identity politics crowd.

In case Joe wins, then passes away in office, we'd better hope he goes with option 1. A competent (even minimally competent) chief executive is necessary for the country to function properly.
 
Statalyzer said:
Generally, yes, but here's what I see happening a fair amount.

1) Alice criticizes Other-Team Candidate for something that she thought was good when Same-Team Candidate did it.

2) Bob says "Uhh Alice, if your person did it and you thought it was good, then you shouldn't consider it bad now, can we get some consistency please?"

3) Alice "Whataboutism!!!!!"
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Believe me, I understand. However, there is an intellectually honest way to discuss an issue. It's fair to talk about the other side and to point out their flaws and inconsistencies. However, that is an offensive weapon, not a defensive one. You should be able to defend your own position entirely on its own merit and lead with that defense. If you want to rip on the other side's hypocrisy afterwards, that's fine, but it shouldn't be allowed to work as a diversion from your own flaws. In fact, they aren't even relevant.
 
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