Would SEC kick A&M to the curb

No...No...No.

You can see by my screen name, I grew up in SEC country. Texas and the SEC are not a match in my opinion. I don't think aggy is a match either, but they like licking the nut sack of every SEC school and fan and it makes them feel better about themselves.
 
Vol Horn 4 Life said:
No...No...No.

You can see by my screen name, I grew up in SEC country. Texas and the SEC are not a match in my opinion. I don't think aggy is a match either, but they like licking the nut sack of every SEC school and fan and it makes them feel better about themselves.
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What makes them a bad match?
 
The Aggies are a great match for the SEC, but not for A&M. They represent a greater exposure to Texas for recruiting, but not a threat to Alabama on the field, nor to Georgia or Florida academically or on the field. For that matter, USNWR continues to say the Aggies are not an academic threat to SMU, much less Georgia or Florida.

The Aggies will not unseat Alabama as long as Saban is alive, and maybe not after that if Dabo makes the move.

A&M was losing $20+ million a year and having to borrow it from the academic side. They made the move for fiscal reasons, and were the only school in the Big XII to grab their share of the "exit fees". Have they improved significantly financially since the move? I'm not sure, but how could they do worse?
 
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SabreHorn said:
The Aggies are a great match for the SEC, but not for A&M. They represent a greater exposure to Texas for recruiting, but not a threat to Alabama on the field, nor to Georgia or Florida academically or on the field. For that matter, USNWR continues to says the Aggies are not an academic threat to SMU, much less Georgia or Florida.

The Aggies will not unseat Alabama as long as Saban is alive, and maybe not after that if Dabo makes the move.

A&M was losing $20+ million a year and having to borrow it from the academic side. They made the move for fiscal reasons, and were the only school in the Big XII to grab their share of the "exit fees". Have they improved significantly financially since the move? I'm not sure, but how could they do worse?
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I should have clarified... what makes the SEC & Texas a bad match?
 
Gladius&Pilum said:
.. what makes the SEC & Texas a bad match?
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What makes it a good match? Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida are already on the schedule. We have to win ONE game to make the final four, as opposed to 3-4. Money is the same. What would the SEC do to the LHN? Would they pay us the extra $20 million/yr (15 from Disney, $5+ from advertising)?

Texas isn't going anywhere. Stanford & Berzerkley will block the PAC, BigTen without Delany is going to continue to flounder, ACC without Swofford is worse than UIL. SEC will never make the concessions necessary to get Texas' attentions, then there is the matter of academics - SEC has only three members that are Tier One.

Big XII needs a commissioner, OU needs a President, both of which will happen before the ACC restructures and becomes appealing to any school not Tier 3.
 
Gladius&Pilum said:
What makes them a bad match?
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  • I still find it odd that every school fanbase is obsessed with the conference probably as much as their own school. I just don't think the Texas fan culture fits with that group think mentality.
  • Texas fans expect to win and whine when we don't. In the SEC someone is sacrificed after every loss. Again, not a match.
  • I could go into the academic side, but that's too much to get into.
Outside of that, it's just my opinion.
 
Guys i have never understood the conference pride thing … Back in the old SWC i wanted everyone to lose except Texas.. I rooted against aggie like every body but i hated the UofH with a passion.. In the later years i grew to hate Baylor and Smu… Texas does not fit in the SEC in my opinion… I have been in a few of there stadiums for games over the years and there fun but there is a mentality in the south thats different than the state of Texas.. There is one thing that Sabrehorn is 110 percent right on and that is the big 12 needs a new comish.. The big 12 is a great conference for Texas and with proper leadership this conference will prosper.. Look at the sports and how well it did this year across the board.. as the smallest of the power 5 It carries its weight well is there room for improvement yes especially football.. But it can get there… Ou has done there part its time for us to do our part and help with football.. A strong Texas and Ou makes the big 12 as good as any conference outside the sec
 
Gladius&Pilum said:
I should have clarified... what makes the SEC & Texas a bad match?
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1. The academic requirements are a step down
2.The SEC bowl style haircuts the fans sport. I have to ensure I have no liquids in my mouth when the TV cuts to the fans when Bama plays.
3. We would have to endure more Aggie insecurity. No thanks. The aggies leaving was like getting over chronic constipation. It was bad when they were around,,,Whew, I’m glad that’s over.
 
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Ut forever said:
Guys i have never understood the conference pride thing … Back in the old SWC i wanted everyone to lose except Texas.. I rooted against aggie like every body but i hated the UofH with a passion.. In the later years i grew to hate Baylor and Smu… Texas does not fit in the SEC in my opinion… I have been in a few of there stadiums for games over the years and there fun but there is a mentality in the south thats different than the state of Texas.. There is one thing that Sabrehorn is 110 percent right on and that is the big 12 needs a new comish.. The big 12 is a great conference for Texas and with proper leadership this conference will prosper.. Look at the sports and how well it did this year across the board.. as the smallest of the power 5 It carries its weight well is there room for improvement yes especially football.. But it can get there… Ou has done there part its time for us to do our part and help with football.. A strong Texas and Ou makes the big 12 as good as any conference outside the sec
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Welcome- great points
 
If UT was interested in the SEC, the conference would say "We'll have 15 teams - not we'll kick out aggy." However, as stated above no thanks. None of the 4 teams added since it's formation to the SEC have been more than an afterthought. I'll pass on being an SEC afterthought.
 
SabreHorn said:
The Aggies are a great match for the SEC, but not for A&M. They represent a greater exposure to Texas for recruiting, but not a threat to Alabama on the field, nor to Georgia or Florida academically or on the field. For that matter, USNWR continues to say the Aggies are not an academic threat to SMU, much less Georgia or Florida.

The Aggies will not unseat Alabama as long as Saban is alive, and maybe not after that if Dabo makes the move.

A&M was losing $20+ million a year and having to borrow it from the academic side. They made the move for fiscal reasons, and were the only school in the Big XII to grab their share of the "exit fees". Have they improved significantly financially since the move? I'm not sure, but how could they do worse?
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So which conference do you believe represents a good match for A&M?
 
Vol Horn 4 Life said:
No...No...No.

You can see by my screen name, I grew up in SEC country. Texas and the SEC are not a match in my opinion. I don't think aggy is a match either, but they like licking the nut sack of every SEC school and fan and it makes them feel better about themselves.
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If only I could click on "Agree" AND "Winner" AND "Funny" AND "Like" for this post.
Would if I could.
 
Considering their history, I think A&M is best served by the SEC. Deloss Dodds thought so back in 85/86 when he hatched his plan to send A&M to the SEC and Tech to the WAC before reconstituting the "new SWC" several years later. The new SWC would have had 28% of the televisions in America, a huge TV contract, and A&M would have been invited back.

Stanford & Berzekley killed that, and Bowelsby & NeinASS destroyed the FSU, GT, Sons of Klem move.
 
SabreHorn said:
Considering their history, I think A&M is best served by the SEC. Deloss Dodds thought so back in 85/86 when he hatched his plan to send A&M to the SEC and Tech to the WAC before reconstituting the "new SWC" several years later. The new SWC would have had 28% of the televisions in America, a huge TV contract, and A&M would have been invited back.

Stanford & Berzekley killed that, and Bowelsby & NeinASS destroyed the FSU, GT, Sons of Klem move.
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What was Dodds' "new SWC" plan? Not sure if I've ever heard of it.
 
As I said in the other topic, the B12 is where Texas needs to stay - at least until it wins the B12 title more than every other leap year.

ATM's move to the SEC was good for them - it got them a bit out of the shadow of their big brother, and allows them to be whipped up by other, different teams. They've gotten a lot more exposure and their program is in as good as shape as it's been for years.

Also, the move have been good for the SEC who's now in the Texas market for TV's and recruits. It's worked out well for both outfits and there's no reason for it to change.
 
Duck Dodgers said:
As I said in the other topic, the B12 is where Texas needs to stay - at least until it wins the B12 title more than every other leap year.

ATM's move to the SEC was good for them - it got them a bit out of the shadow of their big brother, and allows them to be whipped up by other, different teams. They've gotten a lot more exposure and their program is in as good as shape as it's been for years.

Also, the move have been good for the SEC who's now in the Texas market for TV's and recruits. It's worked out well for both outfits and there's no reason for it to change.
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A bit out of the shadow of their big brother? Like it or not they're presently considered the stronger program and have been for several years. Yeah I know, all that's about to change under Sarkesian. When it actually happens get back to me.
 
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I_Dont_Exist said:
A bit out of the shadow of their big brother? Like it or not they're presently considered the stronger program and have been for several years. Yeah I know, all that's about to change under Sarkesian. When it actually happens get back to me.
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Sark's work is cut out for him. OU isn't slowing down and there's always an up & coming team to contend with. It was ISU last year and looks to be them or TCU this year.
 
This morning I had some leftover coffee cake that my sister purchased from a friend's daughter at a fundraiser up in Flower Mound and then sent to me. It's pretty good when it's washed down with Peet's Major Dickason Blend.


Is that helpful?
 
Ut forever said:
Guys i have never understood the conference pride thing … Back in the old SWC i wanted everyone to lose except Texas.. I rooted against aggie like every body but i hated the UofH with a passion.. In the later years i grew to hate Baylor and Smu… Texas does not fit in the SEC in my opinion… I have been in a few of there stadiums for games over the years and there fun but there is a mentality in the south thats different than the state of Texas.. There is one thing that Sabrehorn is 110 percent right on and that is the big 12 needs a new comish.. The big 12 is a great conference for Texas and with proper leadership this conference will prosper.. Look at the sports and how well it did this year across the board.. as the smallest of the power 5 It carries its weight well is there room for improvement yes especially football.. But it can get there… Ou has done there part its time for us to do our part and help with football.. A strong Texas and Ou makes the big 12 as good as any conference outside the sec
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Agree BUT Sabrehorn is right about many things.
My own take is that Nebraska and Missouri should come back and the Big 12 will be the best in football and basketball (maybe baseball). I think Nebraska knows this as the bas@@@@@@d step child of the western division. If not Mo. take USC or Stanford or ND or Colorado or BYU or Arizona....
 
LonghornDave said:
Agree BUT Sabrehorn is right about many things.
My own take is that Nebraska and Missouri should come back and the Big 12 will be the best in football and basketball (maybe baseball). I think Nebraska knows this as the bas@@@@@@d step child of the western division. If not Mo. take USC or Stanford or ND or Colorado or BYU or Arizona....
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What incentive is there for either school to return to the Big XII?
Money? No.
Stability? No.
Exposure? No.

It can't be relevance either. Nebraska's fate was decided by Dodds in the mid-90's when he got the former Big8 schools (sans Corn) to eliminate Prop48s and partial qualifiers. Without their penal colony pipeline, Nebraska has had to compete for recruits. A kid who is chosing between Lincoln, NE and working a dead end job will pick a Corn scholly in a snap. Choosing between Lincoln and Austin, Columbus, Atlanta, Ann Arbor, etc. results in "not Corn" more often than not. It doesn't matter which conference Corn is in, they'll never again compete with the big boys.

Mizzou is always going to be meh. Even when they won the SEC East they were meh. They know it. Why be meh for less money?

As for adding the likes of Memphis or Cincy, the TV partners have already made it clear they won't increase the payout for those schools. And why should they? Since they agreed to continue paying the 12-school rate for a 10-team conference they could rightly argue that any 2 teams added just brings the contract back into balance.

Sadly, the Big12 is likely going to retain its current membership and structure until UT decides to abandon it. Texas is THE domino in future realignment.
 
Gladius&Pilum said:
What incentive is there for either school to return to the Big XII?
Money? No.
Stability? No.
Exposure? No.

Sadly, the Big12 is likely going to retain its current membership and structure until UT decides to abandon it. Texas is THE domino in future realignment.
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I really don't think "realignment" is going to be driven in the same manner as last time around. In a relatively short period of time we have gone from a hand full of games on Tv each week to almost every game (except Texas A&M v PVAM) being televised somewhere. My guess is that future negotiations will involve bigger payments for the best games rather than a giant payment for all games in the conference. This will encourage better out of conference schedules and maybe eliminate or limit the power of conferences at least in football.

As far as Mo and Nebraska, Nebraska and Mo. would do themselves a favor if they came back. If the SEC benefits from being in Texas so would Mo and Nebraska. KU v Mo is a special Basketball rivalry and Nebraska will never compete for power over tOSU, State Penn, Michigan or even Wisky. The money, exposure and stability is not that different between conferences (except SEC) and Nebraska does have an excited fan base who had to sue the Big to play football until tOSU decided they wanted to play 5 games.
 
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