Why are the Democrats still afraid of Donald Trump?

utahorn

utahorn

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Trump has been out of office for 10 months now. There is a thread, to which I have contributed, called "Post-Trump GOP". It's a great and generally lively thread for debate and discussion and I will continue to contribute.

My point is, why are the MSM and "some" posters here still obsessed with DJT? Reagan and both Bush's do not get that scrutiny. Why is DJT still scary?

Lower unemployment across the board? Energy Independence? Opening a dialog with North Korea (first time ever), Confronting China without war, Southern border, expecting our allies to pay their fair share of defense?

Even some RINO's (Republican in Name Only) - Hello Lincoln Project and Liz Cheney - are afraid of him. Are you afraid that he will run again in 2024? Why the fear factor? What am I missing?

I will select MY candidate in 2024. DJT or someone else. Stop obsessing with Donald Trump.

Is he caustic, abrasive, blunt, to-the-point, and thin-skinned? Yes. Will he stop posting? No. Does that make him a bad person or leader? No.

In my opinion, he changed this country for the better. Much better than what we had in 2016 and FAR better than what we have now.
 
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utahorn said:
Trump has been out of office for 10 months now. There is a thread, to which I have contributed, called "Post-Trump GOP". It's a great and generally lively thread for debate and discussion and I will continue to contribute.

My point is, why are the MSM and "some" posters here still obsessed with DJT? Reagan and both Bush's do not get that scrutiny. Why is DJT still scary?

Lower unemployment across the board? Energy Independence? Opening a dialog with North Korea (first time ever), Confronting China without war, Southern border, expecting our allies to pay their fair share of defense?

Even some RINO's (Republican in Name Only) - Hello Lincoln Project and Liz Cheney - are afraid of him. Are you afraid that he will run again in 2024? Why the fear factor? What am I missing?

I will select MY candidate in 2024. DJT or someone else. Stop obsessing with Donald Trump.

Is he caustic, abrasive, blunt, to-the-point, and thin-skinned? Yes. Will he stop posting? No. Does that make him a bad person or leader? No.

In my opinion, he changed this country for the better. Much better than what we had in 2016 and FAR better than what we have now.
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There are a lot of people brainwashed thinking that only good people are in government and all the rascals like Trump are in business. Trump broke their brain. The fact that the country operated fairly well when he was president could not be accepted and thus was ignored and attacked behind claims of “lies”, “corruption”, “hate”, “senility”, “collusion”, etc. Now that Biden is a rolling ball of shît, you are going to see massive losses by the dems as the curtain has been pulled away.
 
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utahorn
You list just some of the great things Trump did.
One accomplishment that Biden f'd up to the point that is killing all of us esp.the poor, from energy independence to begging SA for more oil.

But but mean tweets.
 
utahorn said:
My point is, why are the MSM and "some" posters here still obsessed with DJT? Reagan and both Bush's do not get that scrutiny. Why is DJT still scary?
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Three factors at play. First, if you're a Democrat, Trump motivates your base in a huge way and turns off swing voters. It's greatly in their interests to keep Trump at center stage and to tie as many Republicans to Trump as possible. (See Terry McAuliffe v. Glenn Younklin.) If Trump went away, I think it would greatly dissipate the benefit of this, but until he does, they're going to make him an issue as much as possible.

Second, if you're the media, chatter about Trump boosts ratings and therefore advertising money. People who hate him and people who love him will all tune in. Definitely in their interests to keep Trump at center stage.

Finally, Trump makes himself a topic of discussion and can't give up the attention. Reagan and the Bushes mostly left politics (especially overtly partisan politics) behind after they left office. They didn't spout off. They didn't call for primary opponents against those who didn't support them enough. They largely kept quiet about their successors. Sadly, Reagan developed Alzheimer's and other health problems that greatly limited what he could do after leaving office. The Bushes became elder statesmen. They made speeches, wrote memoirs, raised money for charities, etc. like other former presidents did.

What's Trump doing? He's going after Republicans who didn't lick his nuts or stopped licking them too soon, getting loyalists to haggle over the 2020 election, etc. Well, that's newsworthy, and it's going to get people to keep talking about him for better or for worse.
 
mchammer said:
Now that Biden is a rolling ball of shît,
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Just like in "It's a Wonderful life"s Everytime a bell rings an Angel gets their wings
Everytime a Dem or MSM (redundant) mentions Trump someone remembers how Good
America had it.
 
A lot of nice things happened when Clinton was president but I still detest him. Trump is a man of no character and no fixed opinions. He can be giving money to Clinton and Schumer one day and sucking up to racists the next.

And just to pick my favorite subject; ON immigration he talked big and did little, which is better by degree than just welcoming them all in like Biden. The easy way to cut off immigration is to start prosecuting the employers. Take away the milk and the cat stays next door. But that would involve prosecuting Republican business owners who would go broke without cheap labor and they would rather have that than pay higher wages----especially when they know Uncle Sap is going to be paying for the medical care, social security, etc. on down the road.

He was all gas and no brains.
 
What racists did he suck up to? And, what else could he alone have done on immigration when the Dims and RINOs fought him and investigated him and everyone associated with him, not to mention dragged out normal Cabinet appointments MUCH longer than any other president had to endure?

Just curious what else he could have done? Was it the tweets?
 
horninchicago said:
And, what else could he alone have done on immigration when the Dims and RINOs fought him and investigated him and everyone associated with him, not to mention dragged out normal Cabinet appointments MUCH longer than any other president had to endure?
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Well, he could have prosecuted employers with the same effort that he prosecuted the actual aliens. He didn't need Democrats to do it. The laws are already on the books.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Three factors at play. First, if you're a Democrat, Trump motivates your base in a huge way and turns off swing voters. It's greatly in their interests to keep Trump at center stage and to tie as many Republicans to Trump as possible. (See Terry McAuliffe v. Glenn Younklin.) If Trump went away, I think it would greatly dissipate the benefit of this, but until he does, they're going to make him an issue as much as possible.

Second, if you're the media, chatter about Trump boosts ratings and therefore advertising money. People who hate him and people who love him will all tune in. Definitely in their interests to keep Trump at center stage.

Finally, Trump makes himself a topic of discussion and can't give up the attention. Reagan and the Bushes mostly left politics (especially overtly partisan politics) behind after they left office. They didn't spout off. They didn't call for primary opponents against those who didn't support them enough. They largely kept quiet about their successors. Sadly, Reagan developed Alzheimer's and other health problems that greatly limited what he could do after leaving office. The Bushes became elder statesmen. They made speeches, wrote memoirs, raised money for charities, etc. like other former presidents did.

What's Trump doing? He's going after Republicans who didn't lick his nuts or stopped licking them too soon, getting loyalists to haggle over the 2020 election, etc. Well, that's newsworthy, and it's going to get people to keep talking about him for better or for worse.
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Trump also seems to attract attackers that are some of dumbest MF’s on earth. To wit:

Turns Out Alexander Vindman Is The Dopey Hack We All Thought He Was
 
horninchicago said:
What racists did he suck up to? And, what else could he alone have done on immigration when the Dims and RINOs fought him and investigated him and everyone associated with him, not to mention dragged out normal Cabinet appointments MUCH longer than any other president had to endure?

Just curious what else he could have done? Was it the tweets?
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The laws that are used to prosecute alien smugglers also cover employers. Ask a Border Patrolman or a US Attorney why they don’t indict them. I have and the answer is that they are not told to. The Justice department is part of the executive branch

Trump was all gas and no brains
 
huisache said:
The laws that are used to prosecute alien smugglers also cover employers. Ask a Border Patrolman or a US Attorney why they don’t indict them. I have and the answer is that they are not told to. The Justice department is part of the executive branch

Trump was all gas and no brains
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So, Trump told them not to or the RINOs told them?
 
I wish I had tracked CNN.com each time I looked at it this year, which has probably been around 100 times (out of the 303 days in 2021 thus far). I bet Trump has been the headline half of that time. And no, my CNN visits weren't all clustered around January. It's been pretty evenly spread over the ten months.
 
horninchicago said:
So, Trump told them not to or the RINOs told them?
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Trump was head of the executive department. One word from him and they would have prosecuted them. The wall did not get built because Congress would not fund it so much

RINOS did not control the Justice Department. Gaseous Donald did. Big mouth, little action
 
huisache said:
Trump was head of the executive department. One word from him and they would have prosecuted them. The wall did not get built because Congress would not fund it so much

RINOS did not control the Justice Department. Gaseous Donald did. Big mouth, little action
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Maybe you're right. I don't know what was said behind closed doors.
 
utahorn said:
Trump has been out of office for 10 months now. There is a thread, to which I have contributed, called "Post-Trump GOP". It's a great and generally lively thread for debate and discussion and I will continue to contribute.

My point is, why are the MSM and "some" posters here still obsessed with DJT? Reagan and both Bush's do not get that scrutiny. Why is DJT still scary?

Lower unemployment across the board? Energy Independence? Opening a dialog with North Korea (first time ever), Confronting China without war, Southern border, expecting our allies to pay their fair share of defense?

Even some RINO's (Republican in Name Only) - Hello Lincoln Project and Liz Cheney - are afraid of him. Are you afraid that he will run again in 2024? Why the fear factor? What am I missing?

I will select MY candidate in 2024. DJT or someone else. Stop obsessing with Donald Trump.

Is he caustic, abrasive, blunt, to-the-point, and thin-skinned? Yes. Will he stop posting? No. Does that make him a bad person or leader? No.

In my opinion, he changed this country for the better. Much better than what we had in 2016 and FAR better than what we have now.
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***** grabber’s unite!!!!
 
I'm not sure what "***** grabber's unite" means. Go away Bubba. Try to be useful somewhere else.

It is interesting what a storm can erupt from asking a question.
 
horninchicago said:
Maybe you're right. I don't know what was said behind closed doors.
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Here's the way I look at it. Trump never hesitated to publicly call out the bureaucracy when it didn't follow his orders and would especially have done it on immigration enforcement which was the central theme of his campaign. If they were refusing to go after employers despite his orders, he would have called them out. I also don't remember him making employers much of an issue in his '16 campaign. His focus was clearly on the illegal immigrants themselves.

Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if employer enforcement wasn't any stronger than under Obama. We complain about him a lot for lax enforcement, but he deported quite a bit and did put up at least a little bit of an employer deterrence. It can certainly get worse. Biden and Harris are making Obama look like David Friggin' Duke on immigration.
 
Is it fair to say that maybe the big issue also was that, I guess to try to show he would play nice, he didn't fire every single Obiden holdover? It's like he was either trying to get favorable press or thought having people in place would be good. Maybe he, wrongly, thought that the average WH worker was not prone to partisanship.

I don't know, and none of us do either.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Here's the way I look at it. Trump never hesitated to publicly call out the bureaucracy when it didn't follow his orders and would especially have done it on immigration enforcement which was the central theme of his campaign. If they were refusing to go after employers despite his orders, he would have called them out. I also don't remember him making employers much of an issue in his '16 campaign. His focus was clearly on the illegal immigrants themselves.

Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if employer enforcement wasn't any stronger than under Obama. We complain about him a lot for lax enforcement, but he deported quite a bit and did put up at least a little bit of an employer deterrence. It can certainly get worse. Biden and Harris are making Obama look like David Friggin' Duke on immigration.
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Why would we spend time and money on enforcing immigration employment laws to catch people who are not legal to be employed? Why not stop them at the border and put pressure on Mexico to get its crap together and stop blaming us for being a **** hole country that people are fleeing?
 
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Deez
So How do you prosecute employers who hire illegals?
What are the "laws on the books" to do that? Explain what you would need to go after employers
IIRC Trump admin did raid several chicken and beef plants getting hundreds of illegals. Some of the plants were owned by Chinese and it was found out they accepted fake docs and looked the other way
Lib groups at the time were faux outraged

Do biz skirt the law and hire illegals. Absolutely. We also make it difficult to check if an illegal is applying . Not allowing an employer to ask for a SSN Until they have offered the job is really dumb
With these circumstances it is easier and more efficient to stop the illegals to get here un the first place. Plus there are millions more illegals draining our resources than are employed.
Stop them from entering, which Trump tried to do much more than others.
 
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