What is the alt-right?

[Seattle Husker]

Trump reportedly disavowed the alt-right in today's meeting with the NYT.



Of course, previously in the interview he defended Brietbart.


He later defended his selection of Bannon.

Trump defended Bannon in his New York Times meeting, saying that he's known him for "a long time" and that the allegations of anti-Semitism and connections to the alt-right are "not him."
"If I thought he was racist, or 'alt-right' ... I wouldn't even think about hiring him," Trump said Tuesday.

I wonder if anyone brought up Bannon's boast that Brietbart is "the platform for the alt-right". This circular logic about wondering how he excited this element of the alt-right that he now disavows while the leader of his campaign and now Chief Strategist is boasting of their support is laughable if it wasn't so sad.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I wonder if anyone brought up Bannon's boast that Brietbart is "the platform for the alt-right". This circular logic about wondering how he excited this element of the alt-right that he now disavows while the leader of his campaign and now Chief Strategist is boasting of their support is laughable if it wasn't so sad.

Here's how I look at this. Suppose Obama disavowed Louis Farrakhan but hired someone to be his senior advisor who had said he had built a platform for Louis Farrakhan. Would I let it slide just because Obama personally disavowed Farrakhan? No.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Apparently Richard Spencer believes that Aggies will be receptive to his message. Interesting. Link.

As much as I loathe Spencer, the identity politics of the Left encourages and legitimizes freaks like him. If your preach and exploit racial, ethnic, gender, and religious division, eventually significant numbers of white folks will assume that principles of equality are out the window and begin engaging in tribalism. It's a dangerous path.

 

[Mr. Deez]

So if you wondered what happened to this talentless skank, she became a white nationalist (ironic since she's not white), which means her Twitter account was suspended. Link.

 

[iatrogenic]

Apparently Richard Spencer believes that Aggies will be receptive to his message. Interesting. Link.

As much as I loathe Spencer, the identity politics of the Left encourages and legitimizes freaks like him. If your preach and exploit racial, ethnic, gender, and religious division, eventually significant numbers of white folks will assume that principles of equality are out the window and begin engaging in tribalism. It's a dangerous path.

Tribalism is exactly what the left is engaging in already. To them the principles of equality when it comes to white's and Asians is already out the window.

Based on the logic of some on this board, it looks like the State of Texas has built a platform for white supremacists.

Here's how I look at this. Suppose Obama disavowed Louis Farrakhan but hired someone to be his senior advisor who had said he had built a platform for Louis Farrakhan. Would I let it slide just because Obama personally disavowed Farrakhan? No.

That would be reasonable, except for the fact that Bannon didn't say he had built a platform for white supremacists. In fact, it may be helpful to search the articles on Breitbart and find out exactly how many white supremacist articles were posted on the site. Then we would actually have the facts.

Here is what he believes:

“We think of ourselves as virulently anti-establishment, particularly ‘anti-’ the permanent political class,” he told the Washington Post. “We say Paul Ryan was grown in a petri dish at the Heritage Foundation.” (Washington Post, January 2016)

To iatrogenic...yes, they have a "seat at the table" when they are influencing the elected and appointed leaders.

Okay, let's assume you are correct. Point out the influence they are having.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Tribalism is exactly what the left is engaging in already. To them the principles of equality when it comes to white's and Asians is already out the window.

Well, they engage in different strategies for different groups. They preach tribalism to ethnic and religious minorities but preach tolerance (or their version of tolerance), diversity, and self-loathing to white people. It has worked well for the Left, but if white people figure out their rap, they'll respond with tribalism. Bad things happen when the majority goes tribal.

That would be reasonable, except for the fact that Bannon didn't say he had built a platform for white supremacists. In fact, it may be helpful to search the articles on Breitbart and find out exactly how many white supremacist articles were posted on the site. Then we would actually have the facts.

Here is what he believes:

“We think of ourselves as virulently anti-establishment, particularly ‘anti-’ the permanent political class,” he told the Washington Post. “We say Paul Ryan was grown in a petri dish at the Heritage Foundation.” (Washington Post, January 2016)

He didn't say he built a platform for white supremacists. He said be built a platform for the alt-right.

Most critics I've heard and read don't say Bannon is a white supremacist or an alt-righter. They say he's an economic nationalist (which he acknowledges) and that he's willing to use the alt-right as political allies to pursue his agenda, which of course gives alt-righters an opening into mainstream politics.

 

[iatrogenic]

Well, they engage in different strategies for different groups. They preach tribalism to ethnic and religious minorities but preach tolerance (or their version of tolerance), diversity, and self-loathing to white people. It has worked well for the Left, but if white people figure out their rap, they'll respond with tribalism. Bad things happen when the majority goes tribal.


He didn't say he built a platform for white supremacists. He said be built a platform for the alt-right.

Most critics I've heard and read don't say Bannon is a white supremacist or an alt-righter. They say he's an economic nationalist (which he acknowledges) and that he's willing to use the alt-right as political allies to pursue his agenda, which of course gives alt-righters an opening into mainstream politics.

The goal of the Liberals is to conflate "tea party conservatives" and "white supremacists". Trump has disavowed any association or support for white supremacists. He was elected by the Tea Party. However, the Liberals will do everything they can to discredit the anti-identity politics of tea party conservatives. To do this, they lump conservatives with racists into a new, fictional group known as "alt-right". Therefore, if Trump disavows racists, the liberal media trumpets that he disavows the alt-right, which of course, he doesn't (just the racist portion of the fictional group).

Breitbart predicted the actions the Democrats would take:

In his book, Righteous Indignation: Excuse Me While I Save the World!, Andrew recalled how he warned the Tea Party what lay ahead for them: “I said that they’d be labeled racists and hate mongers and violent criminals, that they’d be depicted as the dregs of society, people to be excluded from dinner parties because of their made-up closet KKK status. They were about to be targeted.”

Andrew added: “They need to marginalize and demonize those that would stand up to their hardball, toxic, and antidemocratic tactics … But it won’t work. Given a fair hearing, given just the slightest exposure — and the American people will rise to the occasion. They see these tactics for what they are.”

On the other hand Keith Ellison, the potential head of the DNC, has worked with Louis Farrakhan, a known Jew hater.

 

[iatrogenic]

........It is also hard to miss the fact that these same politicians and groups are now diverting attention away from actual threats to a campaign of politically-motivated fictions and calumnies directed against Donald Trump, a man who has spent decades supporting an impressive array of Jewish causes and of the State of Israel—and whose daughter, son-in-law and grandchildren are Orthodox Jews. Trump’s daughter Ivanka chose to join the Jewish people, and she did so by all accounts with the approval and full support of her father. Perhaps Keith Ellison, despite his associations and activities, is secretly a great friend of the Jewish people and the State of Israel, and Donald Trump, despite his friends and family, is secretly the raving anti-Semite his detractors allege. But even the most extreme partisan would have to admit that the evidence for either proposition is quite thin. In fact, the ADL and friends have also had to withdraw their accusations of anti-Semitism against Trump’s adviser Steve Bannon and Breitbart news, which briefly flourished after Trump’s win, since they could not point to any actual evidence that either charge was true: In fact, Bannon and Breitbart have demonstrably been among the most dedicated supporters of the State of Israel and most vociferous opponents of BDS and campus hate in the America media.

Why is such a stance necessary? During the Obama years, real anti-Semitism—grotesque libels and actual violence—grew dramatically around the world. In Europe and the Middle East victims of Islamic terror were deemed “innocent victims”—unless they were Jews, in which case they were somehow combatants in a righteous struggle. Here in America, for the first time in our lives, as Obama and Kerry’s “Israel is our misfortune” rumblings grew, we heard rabbis and Jewish leaders—including ADL’s previous chief executive—discuss in agonized tones how the world was beginning to resemble the 1930s. Under Obama, for the first time, we witnessed older Jews huddle after synagogue for hushed debates about whether there was anywhere left for Jews to run now that America was growing inhospitable and Israel was being put under the existential threat of nuclear annihilation. Younger Jews became hesitant to wear yarmulkes on campuses and on the streets.

Donald Trump didn’t pave the way for Iran—a country that quite literally and repeatedly promises to commit genocide against Jews—to acquire a nuclear bomb. Nor did Trump and his close aides seek to demonize his opponents as “wealthy donors” and “warmongers” with loyalties to a foreign power. Nor did Trump ally the United States with Iran in Syria, Lebanon and Iraq. President Barack Obama did all these things, and he did them openly, with hardly a peep from the same people who now pretend to fear for their lives under Donald Trump.

Who knows? Maybe reasonable people can differ about these things. But here’s another thing to consider: The people who vouched for Obama to the American Jewish community are now vouching for Rep. Ellison, while condemning Donald Trump and his advisers for the sins of stoking hatred and anti-Semitism that Obama demonstrably committed, and the Democratic Party is now hoping to induce our community to forget.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/218385/keith-ellison-bds-farrakhan-dnc

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

Looks like the alt right wants to boycott Stars Wars - Rogue One

See #DumpStarWars


"..... The campaign began with a series of tweets from activist Jack Posobiec, who claimed the writers changed the film to add scenes linking Mr Trump to racism.

Screenwriter Chris Weitz said that this was "completely fake", though he and another writer have tweeted their opposition to the US president-elect.

#DumpStarWars has been retweeted 120,000 times in the past 24 hours.

In a Periscope video, Jack Posobiec, who is an activist with Citizens for Trump, claimed the writers had said the Empire in the film "is a white supremacist organisation like the Trump administration and the diverse rebels are going to defeat them".

"They're trying to make the point of using this movie to push the false narrative... that Trump is a racist." he said.

The basis of the claims appears to be tweets sent by Mr Weitz and fellow screenwriter Gary Whitta.

Following Mr Trump's election win in November, Mr Weitz posted: "Please note that the Empire is a white supremacist (human) organisation."

Mr Whitta responded: "Opposed by a multi-cultural group led by brave women."

Both tweets were deleted within the day and Chris Weitz later apologised for politicising the film.

In the wake of the election, both writers also changed their Twitter avatars to the symbol of the Rebel Alliance, with a safety pin - a symbol which has been adopted in support of minorities.

And Gary Whitta had previously apparently referred to Trump as a "Nazi": ....."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38259838

 

[Joe Fan]