What if it was not the Russians?

[Seattle Husker]

PV Journalist: "What do you think is going to happen this week with the whole Russia thing?"

Van Jones response: "The Russia thing is a whole nothing burger."

We don't know when the video was made? What else was going on?

BTW- "whole video" means the Project Veritas edited piece, not the original unedited video. Given the voluminous accusations that O'Keefe edits the initial film to suit his narrative we should all wait to see the unedited version. For those that don't want to wait there is a donation button to Project Veritas as the above link. I'm sure O'Keefe would love to have your money.

 

[OUBubba]

Exactly. Trump/Russia is the Bandit running block.

 

[Joe Fan]

Seems like America has caught on to CNN's shell game
Quick video shows real time responses as they try to get back to Russia, Russia, Russia

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

6 months later

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Seattle Husker]

The Russia collusion with the Trump campaign is a "witch hunt"...or maybe not.

Get ready for the next step in the evolution of the argument from Trumpsters to be collusion is not illegal.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Garmel]

They've pushed this crap so much that even if Donald's son is guilty of collusion nobody will care.

 

[Seattle Husker]

They've pushed this crap so much that even if Donald's son is guilty of collusion nobody will care.

Which leads me to this:

 

[Garmel]

May: "It's a 'witch hunt"
June: "Collusion is not a crime."
July: "Ho Hum."
Sep: ?????

It's human nature when someone keeps crying wolf and there isn't one, nobody actually pays attention when the wolf actually does come. Btw, I'll wait and see if this was collusion or not.

 

[I35]

SH, I still don't see a crime, collusion, or anything. The Russian Lawyer isn't connected in any way to the Kremlin. Jr listened to a nothing burger and left the meeting and didn't return. The Russian atty stated she didn't even know what she was there at Trump Tower. Also according to liberal atty Alan Dershowitz and several others I've heard from collusion isn't a crime unless doing a payoff or promising something in return. This set up was an offer to help the campaign with no evidence of something in return. Which wasn't a help and just a waste of time for everyone.

Let's keep it real here, there's not a single politician in modern day history that won't listen to dirt about their opponent. That's all that would've happen if there was actual dirt delivered.

Just another distraction for the MSM to talk about something else other than the accomplishments this President is making to get America back on track.

Meanwhile the MSM is making a huge deal about something that isn't criminal, and turn their head at a lot of criminal activity that was proven by the Clintons. Taking a hammer to evidence would have put just about anybody with some jail time.

 

[OUBubba]

Keep f'n that chicken. Here's a real world example. Al gores campaign was gifted a binder of Bush strategies. They turned it over to the FBI because they were afraid it was a set up.

So, she's attached to the kremlin because she said she's not? Good thing we got that squared away. As I understand it she's attached to those 35ish folks who were addressed in the act that she wants to have repealed.

 

[iatrogenic]

Al gores campaign was gifted a binder of Bush strategies. They turned it over to the FBI because they were afraid it was a set up.

First, receiving that binder was not an illegal act.

Second, if they didn't want it and were scared of some paper in a binder, there was probably a trash can nearby.

Third, what the hell was the FBI going to do with it?

 

[I35]

So, she's attached to the kremlin because she said she's not? Good thing we got that squared away.

Okay Bubba Sherlock, she said she's not. Put the puzzle together with the proof she's lying. Again, even if she is connected that still doesn't mean there's a crime committed according to Alan Dershowitz.

 

[mchammer]

Keep f'n that chicken. Here's a real world example. Al gores campaign was gifted a binder of Bush strategies. They turned it over to the FBI because they were afraid it was a set up.

So, she's attached to the kremlin because she said she's not? Good thing we got that squared away. As I understand it she's attached to those 35ish folks who were addressed in the act that she wants to have repealed.

Apparently, she is not connected to the Kremlin. Also, how could Trump Jr send anything to the FBI when there was nothing to send?

 

[Mr. Deez]

If you all read the Trump, Jr. e-mails, it's pretty clear that he was at least trying to accept help from the Russian government in the campaign. That's damning. And yes, it could be criminal. We need more details to know for sure, but Dershowitz is losing his marbles if he doesn't see at least the potential for criminality.

If you want to try to focus on the positives for Trump, they do exist. First, there's nothing here that establishes or even suggests Trump's personal involvement or even knowledge of this possible coordination. Why does that matter? Because that's essential to impeachment seriously being on the table.

Second, there's no indication that links Trump, Jr. directly to the hacking of the DNC or Podesta.

Third, there's a possibility of DNC and HRC people taking help from Ukrainians, so if you want to play the "everybody does it" card, that's at least on the table.

Fourth, though he bullshat about it for awhile, Trump, Jr. did voluntarily release the e-mail chain. HRC would have kept the lie going for several years and forced federal investigators to piss away a few hundred million dollars hiring computer forensic experts and comb through a few million irrelevant e-mails before finding it.

Finally, despite fears that Trump would carry water for Putin (from analysts and from me), at least in the surface and up to this point, he hasn't. Some of his rhetoric has been less than ideal and sometimes embarrassing, but in action he has generally been supportive of NATO. He has pushed the other countries to spend more money but confirmed his commitment to Art. V. He has also reversed the Obama Administration's drawdown of US forces in Europe, which was the biggest way to support NATO and deter Putin. (To be fair, Obama started to reverse it as well, but Trump has accelerated it significantly.)

 

[OUBubba]

Okay Bubba Sherlock, she said she's not. Put the puzzle together with the proof she's lying. Again, even if she is connected that still doesn't mean there's a crime committed according to Alan Dershowitz.

I'm happy to await Mueller's investigation. He's got better tools than me.

 

[Seattle Husker]

If you all read the Trump, Jr. e-mails, it's pretty clear that he was at least trying to accept help from the Russian government in the campaign. That's damning. And yes, it could be criminal. We need more details to know for sure, but Dershowitz is losing his marbles if he doesn't see at least the potential for criminality.

If you want to try to focus on the positives for Trump, they do exist. First, there's nothing here that establishes or even suggests Trump's personal involvement or even knowledge of this possible coordination. Why does that matter? Because that's essential to impeachment seriously being on the table.

Second, there's no indication that links Trump, Jr. directly to the hacking of the DNC or Podesta.

Third, there's a possibility of DNC and HRC people taking help from Ukrainians, so if you want to play the "everybody does it" card, that's at least on the table.

Fourth, though he bullshat about it for awhile, Trump, Jr. did voluntarily release the e-mail chain. HRC would have kept the lie going for several years and forced federal investigators to piss away a few hundred million dollars hiring computer forensic experts and comb through a few million irrelevant e-mails before finding it.

Finally, despite fears that Trump would carry water for Putin (from analysts and from me), at least in the surface and up to this point, he hasn't. Some of his rhetoric has been less than ideal and sometimes embarrassing, but in action he has generally been supportive of NATO. He has pushed the other countries to spend more money but confirmed his commitment to Art. V. He has also reversed the Obama Administration's drawdown of US forces in Europe, which was the biggest way to support NATO and deter Putin. (To be fair, Obama started to reverse it as well, but Trump has accelerated it significantly.)

To my knowledge, Alan Derschowitz made that claim a month ago following the Comey hearings. I wonder if this new information is altering his perspective. It's true that nothing tying DJT directly to the Russian's has so far been presented but the walls are beginning to close in around him. The fact that Trump Jr., Kushner and Manafort met with the Russian lawyer hits pretty close to him. Given DJT was verifiably in the building at the time of the meeting and his follow-on actions (tweeted 44 minutes after the meeting about HRC's email for the first time) there may be a trail for Mueller to follow. Still, we are a long way from proving DJT culpability.

Not carrying the water for Putin? Really? Every public chance Trump gets he equivocates on Russian involvement in the election. Certainly the administration's actions haven't quite matched up to Trump's rhetoric but I think that's simply the adults carrying through with the rational plans that were previously in motion.

 

[OUBubba]

All you people and DJT allowing this attorney, Kisliac, Putin, etc. to be believed on "their word" the veracity of their claims weren't giving old Barry Obama that same courtesy when he said he was born in Hawaii.

 

[OUBubba]

Not carrying the water for Putin? Really? Every public chance Trump gets he equivocates on Russian involvement in the election. Certainly the administration's actions haven't quite matched up to Trump's rhetoric but I think that's simply the adults carrying through with the rational plans that were previously in motion.

I like how he pivoted a week or so ago to blame this Russian involvement on Obama. I think the Obama administration should have done more. In hindsight they didn't want the optics of them putting their fingers on any scale in the run up to the election. Remember, at that time Trump was going on about the rigged election - ironic. And, Comey's actions prior to the election highlight to me that there was no "deep state" trying to get Clinton elected. They were just playing it safe.

 

[Seattle Husker]

I like how he pivoted a week or so ago to blame this Russian involvement on Obama. I think the Obama administration should have done more. In hindsight they didn't want the optics of them putting their fingers on any scale in the run up to the election. Remember, at that time Trump was going on about the rigged election - ironic. And, Comey's actions prior to the election highlight to me that there was no "deep state" trying to get Clinton elected. They were just playing it safe.

The Trump pivot was a classic "throw **** against the wall" deflection tactic. Usually he is less transparent.

 

[Seattle Husker]

SH, I still don't see a crime, collusion, or anything. The Russian Lawyer isn't connected in any way to the Kremlin. Jr listened to a nothing burger and left the meeting and didn't return. The Russian atty stated she didn't even know what she was there at Trump Tower. Also according to liberal atty Alan Dershowitz and several others I've heard from collusion isn't a crime unless doing a payoff or promising something in return. This set up was an offer to help the campaign with no evidence of something in return. Which wasn't a help and just a waste of time for everyone.

Let's keep it real here, there's not a single politician in modern day history that won't listen to dirt about their opponent. That's all that would've happen if there was actual dirt delivered.

Just another distraction for the MSM to talk about something else other than the accomplishments this President is making to get America back on track.

Meanwhile the MSM is making a huge deal about something that isn't criminal, and turn their head at a lot of criminal activity that was proven by the Clintons. Taking a hammer to evidence would have put just about anybody with some jail time.

Based on the incredible volume of lawyers that have come out of woodwork to comment on whether a crime was committed (they are mixed) it seems to close to say there wasn't a crime committed. Keep in mind, Trump Jr. doesn't actually have to have received information from Russia (investigation continues there) but rather intent and that is clearly present based on the release email.

Has Dershowitz commented recently? I know he had a lot to say during the Comey hearings but I haven't heard his speak recently.

I fully recognize that all candidates will accept dirt on their opponent. The DJT campaign should have had giant flashing warning bells when they received an email saying the Russian government wants to support Trump's campaign thus has information to share. At that moment, Trump Jr. didn't know who or what this person would be bringing to the table. Seriously, how do you not call the FBI at that moment, regardless whether a friend is saying it or not?

 

[I35]

I'm just counting on this being overplayed again by the MSM and the Dems looking foolish again when the dust settles. It's been a pretty consistent pattern. It starts out "BOMBSHELL" the goes to a retraction at 3am in the morning or buried in the back pages in the case of the NYT and HUff.

 

[Seattle Husker]

I'm just counting on this being overplayed again by the MSM and the Dems looking foolish again when the dust settles. It's be a pretty consistent pattern. It starts out "BOMBSHELL" the goes to a retraction at 3am in the morning or buried in the back pages in the case of the NYT and HUff.

It's tough to overplay Trump Jr.'s own email. The only thing left is to spin it which is already being attempted. There have certainly been some trumped up crises like the 2-scoops of ice cream but this has legs, specifically for Mueller's investigation. It also directly invalidates the Trump campaign narrative that there was "no collusion or coordination". This isn't just smoke but fire. The only question now is how large the fire grows.

 

[Joe Fan]

Possible honeypot Natalia Veselnitskaya supposedly attended some anti-Trump rallies
And has connections to GPS Fusion

 

[Seattle Husker]

Possible honeypot Natalia Veselnitskaya supposedly attended some anti-Trump rallies

The latest conspiracy theory from r/the_donald: Natalia Veselnitskaya was an Obama admin plant to create a reason to tap Trump Tower in the FISA warrant. Yep, no Occam's Razor for that crowd rather it has to be a consiracy theory against the man they call "God Emperor".

 

[Joe Fan]

Here she is sitting with Obama admin folks during a hearing with Obama's ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul (one of the folks who screwed up Ukraine so badly). There are reports out saying she is sitting here on the front row with Team Obama on an expired visa.

 

[Joe Fan]

lol