What happens when a Christian accepts science?

"Arrogance, pedantry, and dogmatism... the occupational diseases of those who spend their lives directing the intellects of the young." -Henry Canby

Never has a quote been more fitting for a HF poster - in this case, Coel. Acceptance of your sickness is the first step in your recovery. That's the best advice you're going to get. Now read the quote again, for emphasis.
 
You know what they say about imitation. And besides, if you were able to rehabilitate McBrett's sorry excuse for a straw man, you'd do that instead of trolling the net for quotes from people you've never even heard of.

And in any case, how can I simultaneously be full of arrogance (as you claim) and lack confidence in my beliefs (as McBrett claims)? It can't be both. Are you saying that McBrett is wrong yet again?
 
Coelacanth,

If you really want to discuss these issues then stop asking silly questions about seat-belts and their relation to theodicy. You're either obfuscating or you're trying to set some silly rhetorical trap.

State your position clearly, ask your questions honestly, and maybe you'll foster interesting discussion.

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GT,
I believe it was Galileo who said, 'The Bible tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go.'

I do believe that statement. I have some problems that I can't logic out in the theory of evolution that leave me befuddled. I don't believe 2 Hebrew poems to contain a 'science' textbook about 'how' God created, but rather, that He did create. I also believe all Truth is God's truth, and therefore I don't think that any scientific fact invalidates Scripture. I know that is a statement that could anger both sides on this thread (and WM's similar threads). This is one reason I stay away from much posting on these matters. They just seem to alienate folks and don't seem to foster much open dialogue on either side.
 
Coel-

You expect people to respect your beliefs when you suggest they put their heads in a toilet for disagreeing with you? If I didn't know what the topic was- but simply saw the reactions of the two sides- it's very clear one side is relaxed and calm- and the other, hysterical at the idea of people not sharing his beliefs. You sir, are that insecure person with the anxiety attack here.

Coel- buddy- you are throwing mud at everyone who has a different view than you here. I could care less if you believe in fairy tales- it's your business and I respect others' beliefs. You however, clearly get very sensitive and mad when someone doesn't share your exact beliefs. And, that's a major issue for you and others- the hypocrisy and rigidness of your sect is a major turn off to those who are on the fringe of joining you- that, and a few science classes or trips across the world to be exposed to other cultures is usually what takes people away from guys like yourself.
 
Ok, I am going to go out on a limb here (a very sturdy limb to be sure) and predict that McBrett either doesn't respond to your post at all, or he responds but avoids the specific question you asked him about respecting the belief of those with faith. But I hope to be disappointed because we would indeed be turning a corner with Brett, if he admitted he didn't respect faith, or acknowledged that it was just as rational to have faith as not.

Great points as always Coel.....
 
GT,
honestly both our interpretation of Scripture AND our understanding of science have changed over the centuries. I would say that our understanding of science has changed more than our interpretation of Scripture.
I actually think there is no contradiction between science and Scripture, only apparent contradictions.
 
Jmatt, as someone who is most convinced by Intelligent Design, I am curious about your claim that ID is just "Genesis dressed up as lame pseudoscience." To make such a claim I suspect you have done quite a bit of reading about Intelligent Design. Could you give me some examples specifically from the ID perspective that back up your claim? I am particularly interested in the link between Genesis and ID theory.

Thanks!
 
No, it's not, but when you are speaking with someone from verbalckistan you speak verblackistanese. It is all the verblackistans understand. My apologies if there is an actual place called verblackistan.
 
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