We're not improving

[Galvestonhorn]

You've missed the point X Misn Tx.....University of Texas football and Tom Herman are the only ones held to that standard...Not an NFL team.

Even the "baffling, dumbfound and questionable calls" Garrett makes are ok.

 

[moondog_LFZ]

Some of us don't give a **** about the Cowboys.
This isn't a Cowboy message board.
I don't know what they do.

But I watch every Horn game and suck up any information on the Horns I come across.
I wait impatiently all offseason for Spring practice and the Spring game.
I diligently follow recruiting until then.
The first game of the season is always to far away.
I care about the Longhorns and therefore critique what I see on the field.

I can't care less about the Cowboys.

 

[Galvestonhorn]

Well dang...I see an advertisement from StubHub for the the Eagles @ Cowboys game on here right now.

They need to take that **** down now!!

 

[caryhorn]

As long as the Cowboys and stubb hub are paying Hornfans for the advertising, more power to them. Advertisers on Hornfans help pay the bills.

Support hornfans, become a sponsor!!

 

[caryhorn]

Our defensive numbers were below average for KU. KU averages 355 y/gm and 17 first downs. So our defensive numbers look poor also. But consider than KU was far behind for the entire game and was running risky plays (for their offense). Also KU had 3 interceptions. When you take this into consideration, the defensive numbers are not so bad. I am not alarmed about the D either.

I am concerned about the defense the next two games because we face the # 2 and #3 Passing offenses in the B12 (behind only ou). Our defense is not as good now as it was when we had Holton Hill shutting down one side of the field every play. The drop off in our coverage is significant. Its simply a matter of personnel.

wvu poses a real problem, they are much better than ttu. I hope my take is dead wrong. But my eye balls see what they see. And my brain tells me the match ups this weekend favor wvu; whereas we will have more favorable match ups at ttu--still challenging, but doable vs. ttu.

 

[moondog_LFZ]

Well dang...I see an advertisement from StubHub for the the Eagles @ Cowboys game on here right now.

They need to take that **** down now!!

What does a Stubb Hub advertisement have to do with anything?

 

[Htown77]

Saban was 7-6,his first year at Bama.

Most coaches that start 7-6 do not turn out to be Nick Saban.

Which bowl eligible team do we "kill," should we get bowl eligible? Maybe I'm missing something...

If we play a lowly Pac12 team in the Cactus Bowl or a bad SEC East team in the Texas or Liberty Bowls, we could possibly kill them. Yes, there are potentially killable bowl eligible teams depending in our matchup.

TH lost D'Onta for his senior season.

I do believe Foreman made our offense a lot better last year than it really was. This is not a Tim Beck or coaching defense, but that was a huge loss. Long term, I like Carter and Young to fill this hole in our offense.

I also agree we have been in every game so far. Ultimately it is about wins and losses, but no 20 point blowout losses so far is one positive sign for the coaches.

 

[Htown77]

Some of us don't give a **** about the Cowboys.
This isn't a Cowboy message board.
I don't know what they do.

But I watch every Horn game and suck up any information on the Horns I come across.
I wait impatiently all offseason for Spring practice and the Spring game.
I diligently follow recruiting until then.
The first game of the season is always to far away.
I care about the Longhorns and therefore critique what I see on the field.

I can't care less about the Cowboys.

Damn Moondog, I do not think I have ever agreed with you so much about anything before. +1

I am concerned about the defense the next two games because we face the # 2 and #3 Passing offenses in the B12 (behind only ou). Our defense is not as good now as it was when we had Holton Hill shutting down one side of the field every play. The drop off in our coverage is significant. Its simply a matter of personnel.

wvu poses a real problem, they are much better than ttu. I hope my take is dead wrong. But my eye balls see what they see. And my brain tells me the match ups this weekend favor wvu; whereas we will have more favorable match ups at ttu--still challenging, but doable vs. ttu.

Our offense should score at least 20 against both Tech’s and WVU’s bad defenses. The problem, as cary already stated, is without Hill our defensive secondary is not great. Davante Davis starting again is no bueno. This hole in our defense will be major trouble for us.

 

[I35]

Hmmm. I don't remember things getting better when Carr's backup came in

I didn't say things got better. David Carr led the league in getting sacked and when his back up came in the number of sacks dropped by a lot per game. I can't remember who the back up was at that time, but he just got rid of the ball faster. If he completed a high percentage I don't remember. I just recalled seeing the stats put up on the screen the comparison's between the two QBs and the sacks per game total stood out to me.

 

[Badass]

Most coaches that start 7-6 do not turn out to be Nick Saban.

Agreed. But Tom Herman is not like most coaches imo.

Besides Saban, in their first year at their legendary schools, DKR 6-4-1, Pete Carroll 6-6, Bob Stoops 7-5, Bobby Bowden 5-6, Bear Bryant 5-4-1, Frank Broyles 4-6, Hayden Fry 5-6, Woody Hayes 4-3-2, Lou Holtz 5-6

#First year records do not matter.

 

[Galvestonhorn]

Very , very true Badass.. He is a 15-20 year coach here at The University.

Since I saw XmisnTx post and the Eagles @ Cowboys game advertised here it reminded me; look at Tom Landrys or Jimmy Johnsons record their first year at Dallas. And those guys wound up being coaching royalty and winning multiple titles.

Great post.

 

[caryhorn]

If we play a lowly Pac12 team in the Cactus Bowl or a bad SEC East team in the Texas or Liberty Bowls, we could possibly kill them. Yes, there are potentially killable bowl eligible teams depending in our matchup.

You did see the Kansas game right? One would think that any bowl eligible team coming from the Pac is better than Kansas. Significantly better. And we were far from killing KU.

I'm hoping to see the Horns blow out a team that has more than two wins. haven't seen that yet. It could happen. I'll believe the killin' when I see it.

 

[I35]

And we were far from killing KU.

We jumped out to a 35 to 7 score at the end of the 1st quarter. But this team doesn't have that killer instinct. We had our foot on their neck and let them back up. Hopefully as the team matures we will keep our foot down.

 

[caryhorn]

We jumped out to a 35 to 7 score at the end of the 1st quarter. But this team doesn't have that killer instinct. We had our foot on their neck and let them back up. Hopefully as the team matures we will keep our foot down.

I was giddy when we were up 35-7. I was shocked that it was 35-17 at the half. And then the game tightened as the 2nd half unwound.

 

[IvanDiabloHorn]

Agree with Moondog about the Cowboys, great post.

I opine the best point made on improvement is Htown - NOT ONE 20 point blowout.

 

[AC]

I think that Cowboys post pointed out something good though.........If any team loses one or more of their top O-Linemen the whole offense looks worst. Every position. An offense aint going very far without a good or great offensive line no matter the coach, scheme, skill position players.

 

[moondog_LFZ]

I think that Cowboys post pointed out something good though.........If any team loses one or more of their top O-Linemen the whole offense looks worst. Every position. An offense aint going very far without a good or great offensive line no matter the coach, scheme, skill position players.

Ok, ok, I'll critique the ******* Cowboys.
Obviously the replacement O-lineman was over-matched by a great D-End.
Why did they not adjust?
As I recall, they didn't once give the O-lineman any help.
No TE or RB or fullback to double team or at least chip at the DE.
They just sat back and watched Dak get pulverized.
It's not like there aren't things you can do to adjust, be it it personnel, scheme or play calling.
And I bet you see some adjustments this Sunday.

That's my beef with the Horns offense.
No creativity.
"Our O-line is bad so we can't run or pass protect...blah, blah, wah".
Why do we even leave the locker room then?
DO SOMETHING!!
Pull some guards, move the pocket, bring in a fullback, change the scheme up, when it is working don't abandon it.
It's to late now so **** it.
Even Herman is starting to talk about how good we are going to be next year.
I really hope so.
And I like most everything Herman has brought to the 40 acres.
But Beck will have to show me a lot next year.

 

[AC]

I am not a Cowboys fan lately, I am not an NFL fan period. I just thought pulling guards was mentioned by others as too complex for this O-Line to try to pull off. You need experience and confidence in the players to do that. Herman/Beck are leaving two TE's to block on third downs to help both the R and L Guard. That is extremely unusual. Again, I was a DB so someone with O-Line experience should say more.....my wheelhouse is more on the defensive side. Although I love to watch offense. I have seen Herman/Beck move the pocket and role out especially when Sam is in there. IMHO, Sam is better suited for this offense and O-Line due to his mobility. Maybe they need to teach him to slide. Not in his mental make up though. I would have loved to see Heard run the option some as a change up. I think coaches don't like to change their schemes too drastically in mid season. Must be a coaching pride thing, I don't know.

I hope next year the new O-Linemen and TE's will be able to contribute and there will be improvement. Likely this offense is at least two years away from being championship quality.

 

[Statalyzer]

Tom Landry? How is an expansion team relevant?

 

[X Misn Tx]

lol y'all are asshats for pooping on my Cowboys example.

the Longhorns aren't unique in performing at a much lower level when you are playing with real OL deficits and no difference maker at RB.

 

[ProdigalHorn]

You did see the Kansas game right? One would think that any bowl eligible team coming from the Pac is better than Kansas. Significantly better. And we were far from killing KU.

I'm not saying things will get fixed this Saturday, but I feel like you're going to see a much better effort than you saw after we got up 35-7 on a team we should have crushed. I don't think we need to look at that game as an example of us "bringing our A game."

 

[Detective Shilala]

I opine the best point made on improvement is Htown - NOT ONE 20 point blowout.

The TCU Game was not nearly as close as 24 - 7 indicates. Once we were down by 2 scores that game was OVER.
Yes that may be the only thing like a blow out this season, but to the point of my original post, this team peaked a long time ago. We're not seeing any improvement from week 3 when we looked like contenders against USC and at this point our offense is degraded to an embarrassment.

Even Herman is starting to talk about how good we are going to be next year.
I really hope so.

Bake the damned cake already TH! We've been waiting years for some GD cake around here!

 

[Pomspoms]

The TCU Game was not nearly as close as 24 - 7 indicates. Once we were down by 2 scores that game was OVER.
Yes that may be the only thing like a blow out this season, but to the point of my original post, this team peaked a long time ago. We're not seeing any improvement from week 3 when we looked like contenders against USC and at this point our offense is degraded to an embarrassment.



Bake the damned cake already TH! We've been waiting years for some GD cake around here!

OK shenanae everything is going to be alright. You can cry in your beer. Tomorrow may be better.

 

[4th_floor]

The TCU Game was not nearly as close as 24 - 7 indicates. Once we were down by 2 scores that game was OVER.

I disagree it was over in the second quarter. When we scored in the 3rd Quarter to pull within 17-7, we were just one big play away from getting back into the game. Those big plays have been few and far between this year, but they have happened.

The big difference between this year and last year is we don't quit. It would be nice if we scored occasionally. But at least the effort is there. Sooner or later, that continuous effort will pay off.

 

[4th_floor]

Bake the damned cake already TH! We've been waiting years for some GD cake around here!

Why do you want some of Greg Davis' retirement cake? Let the poor man alone!

 

[Badass]

Here is another interesting angle from BON

https://www.burntorangenation.com/2017/11/16/16667204/texas-longhorns-schedule-difficulty

 

[Statalyzer]

I opine the best point made on improvement is Htown - NOT ONE 20 point blowout.

We didn't have any blowouts last year other than maybe TCU (22 points, but I don't tend to call games blowouts when there is a margin of only one score going into the 4th).

 

[Htown77]

It is an arbitrary standard, but my standard I picked years ago was 20 point losses or more. Obviously, what constitutes a "blowout" is subjective. We did not lose by 20 so I do not count it, but were we in the Okie State game last year? Not really.

 

[X Misn Tx]

i agree with you on the scoreboard. being at the game, it felt like a huge beatdown the whole game. still, not a blow out.

 

[rick mueller]

I see either 2-0 or 0-2, not 1-1. If we lose to the hillbillies we probably lose to sand aggy. Find a way to beat in-bred U and we can find a way to beat the tortilla chunkers.

I called it and I will stick to it. We will beat sand aggy.