Venezuelan Update (Florida Maquis)

iatrogenic said:
Simpleton, why are Maduro’s troops stopping aid intended for starving people?
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1. Nobody is starving.
2. Aid is being admitted; just not from the US.
3. The ‘aid’ is political. If the US gave a damn about starvation they wouldn’t be targeting the population with sanctions.
4. The last time Elliott Abrams oversaw humanitarian aid it was a ruse to import weapons. Maduro may not be as stupid as you think.
 
1. Yes they are
2. What aid?
3. The U. S. Gives a damn which is why there are sanctions.
4. I’m pretty sure he is.
 
Mus
If the people are not starving why would they eat garbage from a garbage truck?
I have seen many articles like this
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/17/world/americas/venezuela-children-starving.html

and this
Starving Venezuelas beat cattle to death with rocks | Daily Mail Online...
and this
Venezuela Is Starving
Youtube vid from 2016 showing people combing through trash for anything edible.
Not all of the news sources could be pimping a USA agenda of war

Do you have anything to support you saying the people are not starving?
 
Horn6721 said:
Mus
If the people are not starving why would they eat garbage from a garbage truck?
I have seen many articles like this
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/17/world/americas/venezuela-children-starving.html

and this
Starving Venezuelas beat cattle to death with rocks | Daily Mail Online...
and this
Venezuela Is Starving
Youtube vid from 2016 showing people combing through trash for anything edible.
Not all of the news sources could be pimping a USA agenda of war

Do you have anything to support you saying the people are not starving?
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I can show you the same thing from any major urban city in the US. Is Venezuela’s economy under great stress? Yes.
Why is that? Here’s the best, comprehensive explanation I can provide. I strongly recommend you read this, it’s free.
http://www.15yultimo.com/wp-content...WARFARE-IN-VENEZUELA.-PASQUALINA-CURCIO-C.pdf
 
Horn6721 said:
"I can show you the same thing from any major urban city in the US. "
Ok Mus show us.
anything like this?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...-zoo-animals-the-parisians-had-the-german-exc
from two years ago

from 1 year ago

from 2 mons ago


I know you won't try to conflate homeless going through trash here with the people of Venezuela who are really starving. They do not have food kitchens and shelters they can go to for help.
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The zoo animal story was a hoax. The animals were stolen and sold.
As for the rest, show me photographs of emaciated bodies and statistics of infant deaths, etc.

It’s better you not comment until you take a few hours to examine the book I linked above. Whatever shortages, inflation, and hunger does exist can be strongly coordinated to regime change tactics coordinated between US economic war policy and Venezuelan opposition groups (internal oligaries opposing the government). It’s not even worth discussing further until you get up to speed on what’s been going on.
 
I admit I have not spent the time you have with this. Right now the different opinions on what caused this doesn't seem as important as the suffering you admit the people are experiencing.

I however do see the millions who have fled and the millions still there who are starving.

Do you think the Madauro gov't keeps stats on infants starving?
The zoo story I linked was from Forbes.
Here is a Reuters report on it.
Police believe thieves steal Venezuela zoo animals to eat them | Reuters
do you have a credible link showing it was a hoax?
 
Horn6721 said:
I admit I have not spent the time you have with this. Right now the different opinions on what caused this doesn't seem as important as the suffering you admit the people are experiencing.

I however do see the millions who have fled and the millions still there who are starving.

Do you think the Madauro gov't keeps stats on infants starving?
The zoo story I linked was from Forbes.
Here is a Reuters report on it.
Police believe thieves steal Venezuela zoo animals to eat them | Reuters
do you have a credible link showing it was a hoax?
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For the last time, there are not millions starving. Is there an exodus of approximately 3 million people over the past few years? Yes. Massive inflation and shortages in some items (again, read link in post above) have made life miserable. But there is a social net. The government has provided food, not unlike food stamps or food banks you would see here if a
large recession hit. There is additional food and medical aid being supplied from Cuba, Russia, and China. The press won’t report this fact. Neither will Rubio, Trump, Pompeo, or the various Neocons plotting regime change. People that have left have done so hoping for better opportunities in Brazil, Eqador, Colombia and so forth. They weren’t dying, but their buying power is eroding and they are looking for an escape.

Contrary to public opinion, the Venezuelan government doesn’t control the whole economy. Oligarchs and super wealthy businessmen were in place well before Chávez and still own their companies. The difference is that they now pay more taxes and in some cases are prohibited from charging certain amounts. Obviously they oppose these policies and would like to see the pre-Chavistaz arrangement. So they readily conspire with the US, hoard products, sell them to Colombians who then sell the goods on the black market. This creates shortages, and products not subject to price control, the shortages drive up price. The inflation encourages more demand (before prices rise or products become unavailable) and the cycle continues.

If the US government cared one whit about starving people, sanctions would be lifted, and frozen funds would be released so the government could purchase food and medicine. The US would stop supporting the Saudi
Seige in Yemen. Don’t kid yourself. The public relations display is the same thing we’ve witnesses for the Iraq, Libya, and Syria invasions. Pure propaganda and lies necessary to buy public support.
 
Here’s how this will likely play out as the Neocons pursue their regime change policies with respect to Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua.

There was a surge of socialism in South America in the early 21st century. Since then, the US has recaptured Brazil, Argentina, Eqador, and Colombia. But the general populations in these countries are split, and oppose what they consider US imperialism. Should Venezuela break out in civil war or if Maduro is overthrown, the US will not gain Venezuela, they will lose the entire hemisphere other than Canada.

Take the Middle East interventions for example. A primary goal was to weaken Iran by installing stooges or creating chaos in countries not aligned with the US such as Iraq, Libya, and Syria. Rather than weakening Iran, our meddling strengthened Iranian influence, allowed Russia to become the regions primary arbitrator, and wasted trillions of dollars. The same scenarios will play out in Latin America. Unrest and chaos will definitely spread to Colombia and Brazil resulting in endless guerila warfare. Either socialism will be the result or perpetual chaos. One thing is guaranteed. An intervention isn’t going to result in more food on anyone’s plate down there.
 
Cuba is supplying food and medicine? That's funny, and you're, still, full of shite. I give you points for consistency, but a failing grade yet again for honesty.

You could improve on "Conspiracy Theory" but you keep posting from commie websites that are clearly untrustworthy, so you get a "D-" for that.

Keep plugging junior, and maybe the world will one day be run by a commie-dictator and we can all suffer.
 
Horn6721 said:
"I can show you the same thing from any major urban city in the US. "
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There is a math teacher at my old high school who uses the same comeback to somehow defend the violence that has rendered Nuevo Laredo off limits to the thousands of locals from Laredo who went there daily to shop and party at night back in the 1970's. This arrogant jerk wasn't there back then but thinks he knows everything. Yes, far-left Liberal. Luckily he only teaches math because I'm not sure it's too easy to politicize algebra. This sort of thing is a stubborn cynical attempt to create a false equivalency between true ****-holes and the US.
 
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bystander said:
There is a math teacher at my old high school who uses the same comeback to somehow defend the violence that has rendered Nuevo Laredo off limits to the thousands of locals from Laredo who went their daily to shop and party at night back in the 1970's. This arrogant jerk wasn't there back then but thinks he knows everything. Yes, far-left Liberal. Luckily he only teaches math because I'm not sure it's too easy to politicize algebra. This sort of thing is a stubborn cynical attempt to create a false equivalency between true ****-holes and the US.
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If Venezuela is a ******** now, what was it prior to Chávez when 80% of the population lived in poverty? Your comment reflects historical ignorance.

And the deteriorization of Mexico into a lawless area infested with drug lords and emigration to the US is related to US colonialization by Big Ag, and US demand for drug consumption. So the US had a hand in Mexico becoming a ********.

And your math teacher inadequacy is merely a
Reflection of the US education system that has been spiraling downward for decades. Venezuelan literacy rate rose dramatically since Chavez was elected.
 
The goal of the United States is to make every country poorer. We will colonize them and make them slaves to our own material desires. Be careful, Sunshine, we are coming for you and we are the baddest S.O.B.'s on the planet.
 
Musburger1 said:
If Venezuela is a ******** now, what was it prior to Chávez when 80% of the population lived in poverty? Your comment reflects historical ignorance.

And the deteriorization of Mexico into a lawless area infested with drug lords and emigration to the US is related to US colonialization by Big Ag, and US demand for drug consumption. So the US had a hand in Mexico becoming a ********.

And your math teacher inadequacy is merely a
Reflection of the US education system that has been spiraling downward for decades. Venezuelan literacy rate rose dramatically since Chavez was elected.
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Before Chavez, Venezuela was a socialist country in decline. They were already running out of "other peoples money". Chavez just hastened the decline with rampant corruption and even greater socialist policies that could not sustain a drop in oil prices, lack of industrial reinvestment, more government appropriation of other people's assets, and displacement of people that could actually do more than sit on their butts at home and wait for government handouts.

How dumb does a leader have to be to bankrupt the country with the largest proven oil reserves in the world, and leave its citizens eating out of garbage trucks? Pretty damn dumb and not worthy of remaining in power.
 
Damn Mus, even videos of the people eating out of a garage truck isn’t enough proof for you to see what’s happening in that country. Why does anybody take the time to debate you when you down play that?
 
I35 said:
Damn Mus, even videos of the people eating out of a garage truck isn’t enough proof for you to see what’s happening in that country. Why doesn’t anybody take the time to debate you when you down play that?
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Of the videos within this long thread, there are probably more than a dozen which include on the ground reporting, interviews, and footage which annihilate he narrative that the country faces mass starvation. There is no humanitarian crises, despite the billions of frozen and stolen funds at he hands of the criminal US government. But if humanitarian problems did exist, and the primary objective was relief, you wouldn’t freeze billions of assets needed to obtain relief and also needed to maintain economic infrastructure.

Tell me, what is Guaido’s plan to alleviate hunger, I’ll tell you the plan. Privatize the oil industry, borrow billions from the IMF, and implement austerity (end or curtail social programs) in order to pay back the IMF. That is democracy US style. This is what Argentina went through recently. How are they doing?
 
Musburger1 said:
Of the videos within this long thread, there are probably more than a dozen which include on the ground reporting, interviews, and footage which annihilate he narrative that the country faces mass starvation. There is no humanitarian crises, despite the billions of frozen and stolen funds at he hands of the criminal US government. But if humanitarian problems did exist, and the primary objective was relief, you wouldn’t freeze billions of assets needed to obtain relief and also needed to maintain economic infrastructure.

Tell me, what is Guaido’s plan to alleviate hunger, I’ll tell you the plan. Privatize the oil industry, borrow billions from the IMF, and implement austerity (end or curtail social programs) in order to pay back the IMF. That is democracy US style. This is what Argentina went through recently. How are they doing?
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The citizens can't eat money Maduro steals. Unfrozen (defrosted?) assets didn't prevent Maduro and his compadres from being crooks, and they would not correct the rampant fraud existing today so the people can be given relief. The least he could do is allow $150 billion of beans into the country.

"U.S. style" is what they need. How is the U.S. doing relative to Venezuela, Russia, Cuba and the like? Pretty damn good!
 
iatrogenic said:
The citizens can't eat money Maduro steals. Unfrozen (defrosted?) assets didn't prevent Maduro and his compadres from being crooks, and they would not correct the rampant fraud existing today so the people can be given relief. The least he could do is allow $150 billion of beans into the country.

"U.S. style" is what they need. How is the U.S. doing relative to Venezuela, Russia, Cuba and the like? Pretty damn good!
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There is zero proof that Maduro has stolen money. However some of the privately owned monopolies have colluded to hoard inventory in order to both drive up prices and also bring about discontent. Castro and Stalin would have executed or jailed these people and confiscated their property. Chavez did not take these measures. Hence the portion of society in opposition to his policies has retained much power throughout the past 20 years. Many live in Florida and support (own) Rubio. Your perception of reality is different than actual reality.
 
Well, if little Nicky Maduro didn't do anything about the fraud he "had nothing to do with", but brought down the country, he needs to be removed from office for masquerading as the President.
 
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iatrogenic said:
Well, if little Nicky Maduro didn't do anything about the fraud he "had nothing to do with", but brought down the country, he needs to be removed from office for masquerading as the President.
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Our government is what is bringing down the country. We’ve been waging economic war for 20 years; heavily so for the past 5 or so.
 
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