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1. I remembered something of it. So, I'm not "pretending"... I googled it. That leads to this:
B. Are you pretending not to know that Donna Brazile was fired by CNN for allegedly leaking documents? I'm sitting here with baited breath hitting refresh on my browser awaiting the announcement that Fox is firing Hannity.
III. Moreoever, she then went to work for....wait for it.....Fox. LOL.
[you apparently can't paste in the greek delta - come on Dion, I pay real money to be a smart *** here!]. At her apex her "reach" is a **** ton less than Hannity's. Like comparing Ryan Leaf to Tom Brady.
 
So you think CNN and MSNBC are straight news without bias and do not actively work for the DNC? What about Twitter pre-Musk and Facebook?

If so, why do you think they ignore the Hunter laptop? What about the border crisis? What about the fentanyl crisis? They do occasionally talk about inflation, but generally throw in "as a result of Ukraine."

If America is going to have free and fair elections, somehow these organizations need to be officially classified as "opinion shows" versus news organizations. Too many people like you are gullible enough to think otherwise.
 
theiioftx said:
So you think CNN and MSNBC are straight news without bias and do not actively work for the DNC? What about Twitter pre-Musk and Facebook?

If so, why do you think they ignore the Hunter laptop? What about the border crisis? What about the fentanyl crisis? They do occasionally talk about inflation, but generally throw in "as a result of Ukraine."

If America is going to have free and fair elections, somehow these organizations need to be officially classified as "opinion shows" versus news organizations. Too many people like you are gullible enough to think otherwise.
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That's not what I said. I don't disagree with the last paragraph except that I would change the last sentence to "we are all gullible enough to believe the parrot that concurs with our pre-conceived notions and think otherwise". I'm at least honest enough to engage thoughtfully in a forum where 99% of the people here disagree with me and poke and prod me to try to goad me into running myself off like what happened to Seattle. Let's see some of you smart folks swim around daily in a liberal setting and maintain your cool and actually find places where you agree.
 
Sean Hannity is a partisan hack, but it's also true that the Democratic Party hasn't had a dry ball since about 1928. All kinds of evidence exists that the media coordinates with Democratic politicians and does their bidding. It's fine to call Hannity on it, but CNN giving him flack for it is like David Duke calling Richard Spencer for his antisemitism. He wouldn't be wrong. He'd just be wildly hypocritical.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Sean Hannity is a partisan hack, but it's also true that the Democratic Party hasn't had a dry ball since about 1928. All kinds of evidence exists that the media coordinates with Democratic politicians and does their bidding. It's fine to call Hannity on it, but CNN giving him flack for it is like David Duke calling Richard Spencer for his antisemitism. He wouldn't be wrong. He'd just be wildly hypocritical.
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So, no credit for firing Brazile and then Fox news hiring her? Seems like SMU griping about Harvard recruiting violations.
 
OUBubba said:
So, no credit for firing Brazile and then Fox news hiring her? Seems like SMU griping about Harvard recruiting violations.
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Did they fire her because she did it, or did they fire her because she got caught making them feel like they had no choice? In light of how they generally behave, it's hard not to believe the latter to be true. Nobody believes they actually had an ethical problem with it.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Did they fire her because she did it, or did they fire her because she got caught making them feel like they had no choice? In light of how they generally behave, it's hard not to believe the latter to be true. Nobody believes they actually had an ethical problem with it.
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Poor take. A very MAGA attitude. I thought you were better than that.
 
OUBubba said:
Poor take. A very MAGA attitude. I thought you were better than that.
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They have a 90-year-track record of largely being unethical, partisan hacks, especially in the last 10 - 15 years. Why would I assume they weren't acting accordingly with Donna Brazille?

It might be a MAGA attitude, but the reality is that though Trump often pulled the "fake news" trope when it was politically expedient and sometimes incorrectly, his general characterization of the political media was more true than false. They are politically-motivated ideologues and propagandists at this point, and though people shouldn't assume whatever they say is false, they deserve no deference at all from the public.
 
Don't just poop, Coach. How am I wrong? Explain how the media has been largely fair to Republicans and holds Democrats accountable. Explain to me how they don't have double standards.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Don't just poop, Coach. How am I wrong? Explain how the media has been largely fair to Republicans and holds Democrats accountable. Explain to me how they don't have double standards.
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I stand on the corner proclaiming that both ends of partisan media will be our downfall. Safe districts and a polarized electorate combined with social media that benefits when we fight as opposed to when we agree. You guys stand on the corner that says that left leaning media will be our downfall. I think we all need to recognize this difference. The problem is that your team sees the Brett Baer's, Shep Smith, and Chris Wallce's of the world as liberals. I see them as reasonable journalists that lean right. Just like I see the Scott Pelley's and John Dickerson's as reasonable journalists and your team sees them as not much different than Baer/Smith/Wallace - liberals. Not sure how you don't recognize the difference? Hell, I come here to get viewpoints that differ from mine. We all need to find discomfort to solidify our opinions.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Don't just poop, Coach. How am I wrong? Explain how the media has been largely fair to Republicans and holds Democrats accountable. Explain to me how they don't have double standards.
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And, yes, they're both partisan. UK won't allow a fox news because there is no basis in fact. The defense that Fox attorneys routinely utilizes to defend their employees in court filings looks sadly VERY similar to the defense utilized by Alex Jones of infowars and his claiming the sandy hook parents were crisis actors. Very telling.
 
Shep Smith and Chris Wallace are liberal left for sure. And it isn't even close.

Pelley was not too bad on his news cast, but definitely leaned left on 60 minutes.
 
OUBubba said:
I stand on the corner proclaiming that both ends of partisan media will be our downfall. Safe districts and a polarized electorate combined with social media that benefits when we fight as opposed to when we agree.
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I don't disagree with this.

OUBubba said:
You guys stand on the corner that says that left leaning media will be our downfall. I think we all need to recognize this difference.
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I don't think that's true. I stand on the corner that says the left leaning media that claims that it isn't left leaning that will be our downfall. I don't like people like Rachel Maddow and Chris Hayes and find their political positions nauseating and absurd, but they're Americans with the right to say and believe what they want. I have a bigger problem with people like Brian Stelter who largely spout the same agenda but sanctimoniously claim to be fair commentators and guardians of the truth. It's the fraud, not the bias, that offends me.

OUBubba said:
The problem is that your team sees the Brett Baer's, Shep Smith, and Chris Wallce's of the world as liberals. I see them as reasonable journalists that lean right.
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Smith and Wallace don't lean right. (Baer does.) They only look like they do next to guys like Brian Stelter and Chuck Todd. What they really have that guys like Stelter and Todd don't have is professionalism and integrity. The same is true of Tim Russert. He was a partisan liberal who worked for Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Mario Cuomo. Everybody knew his beliefs and whose side he was on, but when he hosted Meet the Press, he put all that aside and behaved like a professional. Even though he totally agreed with a guy like Dick Gephardt, he'd grill him the way he'd grill Newt Gingrich. We need more journalists that him, and we have virtually none in mainstream media any more.

OUBubba said:
Just like I see the Scott Pelley's and John Dickerson's as reasonable journalists and your team sees them as not much different than Baer/Smith/Wallace - liberals. Not sure how you don't recognize the difference?
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I honestly don't follow either of those guys.

OUBubba said:
And, yes, they're both partisan.
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But don't you see why it's a problem for media to be so partisan when their job is to find truth and hold those in power accountable?

OUBubba said:
UK won't allow a fox news because there is no basis in fact.
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Has it occurred to you that the UK might actually not allow Fox News because it wants to suppress competition with its own network (BBC News) and that the relevant decision makers might also have a political agenda?

OUBubba said:
The defense that Fox attorneys routinely utilizes to defend their employees in court filings looks sadly VERY similar to the defense utilized by Alex Jones of infowars and his claiming the sandy hook parents were crisis actors. Very telling.
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When lawyers represent clients in court, they largely go with whatever argument that works. I detest illegal immigration, but when I practiced law, not only did I represent illegal immigrants, I was a very aggressive advocate for them specifically on the issue of their status - enough that other lawyers often sought out my work product and guidance on how to exclude evidence of their immigration status and how defeat defense efforts to bar them from recovering lost wages or lost earning capacity due to their status. I was a leader in my profession on those issues. Is it because I secretly like illegal immigration? No, it's because that was my job, and when people put their trust in me enough to hire me, I believed I owed them my very best effort.

And the mainstream media outlets take goofy positions in court too when it helps them. For example, what was the defense to the Sara Palin and Covington Catholic defamation cases? The defense was that the journalists were stupid and careless (as opposed to intentionally dishonest). Should we throw that at them?
 
Mr. Deez said:
I don't disagree with this.



I don't think that's true. I stand on the corner that says the left leaning media that claims that it isn't left leaning that will be our downfall. I don't like people like Rachel Maddow and Chris Hayes and find their political positions nauseating and absurd, but they're Americans with the right to say and believe what they want. I have a bigger problem with people like Brian Stelter who largely spout the same agenda but sanctimoniously claim to be fair commentators and guardians of the truth. It's the fraud, not the bias, that offends me.



Smith and Wallace don't lean right. (Baer does.) They only look like they do next to guys like Brian Stelter and Chuck Todd. What they really have that guys like Stelter and Todd don't have is professionalism and integrity. The same is true of Tim Russert. He was a partisan liberal who worked for Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Mario Cuomo. Everybody knew his beliefs and whose side he was on, but when he hosted Meet the Press, he put all that aside and behaved like a professional. Even though he totally agreed with a guy like Dick Gephardt, he'd grill him the way he'd grill Newt Gingrich. We need more journalists that him, and we have virtually none in mainstream media any more.



I honestly don't follow either of those guys.



But don't you see why it's a problem for media to be so partisan when their job is to find truth and hold those in power accountable?



Has it occurred to you that the UK might actually not allow Fox News because it wants to suppress competition with its own network (BBC News) and that the relevant decision makers might also have a political agenda?



When lawyers represent clients in court, they largely go with whatever argument that works. I detest illegal immigration, but when I practiced law, not only did I represent illegal immigrants, I was a very aggressive advocate for them specifically on the issue of their status - enough that other lawyers often sought out my work product and guidance on how to exclude evidence of their immigration status and how defeat defense efforts to bar them from recovering lost wages or lost earning capacity due to their status. I was a leader in my profession on those issues. Is it because I secretly like illegal immigration? No, it's because that was my job, and when people put their trust in me enough to hire me, I believed I owed them my very best effort.

And the mainstream media outlets take goofy positions in court too when it helps them. For example, what was the defense to the Sara Palin and Covington Catholic defamation cases? The defense was that the journalists were stupid and careless (as opposed to intentionally dishonest). Should we throw that at them?
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I’d just add they all need to be called for what they are - partisan opinion entities with a political bias for a particular party. Add NPR to that list. While possibly once non partisan, that’s definitely changed.
 
Joe Scarborough ran a story today on how Mitt Romney now disguises himself to avoid conservatives and how far “the right” has fallen with no mention of how Sinema and Manchin have been treated by the left. It’s simple propaganda to not tell the whole story, call yourself news and call yourself a Republican. Mika must have a good snatch.
 
theiioftx said:
Joe Scarborough ran a story today on how Mitt Romney now disguises himself to avoid conservatives and how far “the right” has fallen with no mention of how Sinema and Manchin have been treated by the left. It’s simple propaganda to not tell the whole story, call yourself news and call yourself a Republican. Mika must have a good snatch.
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Scarborough used to be a decent guy, but he has fully embraced DC culture. It's easy to point the finger at Mika's snatch, but a guy has to take a little responsibility.
 
theiioftx said:
Joe Scarborough ran a story today on how Mitt Romney now disguises himself to avoid conservatives and how far “the right” has fallen with no mention of how Sinema and Manchin have been treated by the left. It’s simple propaganda to not tell the whole story, call yourself news and call yourself a Republican. Mika must have a good snatch.
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Sorry to MB and other females on this board. Inappropriate post by me.
 
Mr. Deez said:
I don't disagree with this.



I don't think that's true. I stand on the corner that says the left leaning media that claims that it isn't left leaning that will be our downfall. I don't like people like Rachel Maddow and Chris Hayes and find their political positions nauseating and absurd, but they're Americans with the right to say and believe what they want. I have a bigger problem with people like Brian Stelter who largely spout the same agenda but sanctimoniously claim to be fair commentators and guardians of the truth. It's the fraud, not the bias, that offends me.



Smith and Wallace don't lean right. (Baer does.) They only look like they do next to guys like Brian Stelter and Chuck Todd. What they really have that guys like Stelter and Todd don't have is professionalism and integrity. The same is true of Tim Russert. He was a partisan liberal who worked for Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Mario Cuomo. Everybody knew his beliefs and whose side he was on, but when he hosted Meet the Press, he put all that aside and behaved like a professional. Even though he totally agreed with a guy like Dick Gephardt, he'd grill him the way he'd grill Newt Gingrich. We need more journalists that him, and we have virtually none in mainstream media any more.



I honestly don't follow either of those guys.



But don't you see why it's a problem for media to be so partisan when their job is to find truth and hold those in power accountable?



Has it occurred to you that the UK might actually not allow Fox News because it wants to suppress competition with its own network (BBC News) and that the relevant decision makers might also have a political agenda?



When lawyers represent clients in court, they largely go with whatever argument that works. I detest illegal immigration, but when I practiced law, not only did I represent illegal immigrants, I was a very aggressive advocate for them specifically on the issue of their status - enough that other lawyers often sought out my work product and guidance on how to exclude evidence of their immigration status and how defeat defense efforts to bar them from recovering lost wages or lost earning capacity due to their status. I was a leader in my profession on those issues. Is it because I secretly like illegal immigration? No, it's because that was my job, and when people put their trust in me enough to hire me, I believed I owed them my very best effort.

And the mainstream media outlets take goofy positions in court too when it helps them. For example, what was the defense to the Sara Palin and Covington Catholic defamation cases? The defense was that the journalists were stupid and careless (as opposed to intentionally dishonest). Should we throw that at them?
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You miss Seattle. I don’t have it in me.
 
theiioftx said:
Sorry to MB and other females on this board. Inappropriate post by me.
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It’s a rough and tumble place. It’s probably not necessary to apologize…I mean if we can have a president who brags about sexual battery we can handle a little locker room talk. Plus, is the truth an absolute defense? :)
 
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