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[PecosBill]

The market will provide a solution it always does.

 

[OrangeShogun]

The market will provide a solution it always does.

Not if, whatever solution arises, is then blackballed by the tech monopolies.

 

[Run Pincher]

Tech giants Amazon, Google and Apple have combined to destroy Parler

Amazon Is Booting Parler Off Of Its Web Hosting Service

CBS News consumer investigative correspondent Anna Werner asked Roose, "Do you think this is the end of Parler?"

"I think losing your app store privileges and losing your web host is about as close to a 'kiss of death' as you can get in the world of apps," Roose replied.​

Amazon Is Suspending Parler From AWS

Apple and Google had already kick Parler off
Apple and Google Play suspend Parler for failure to moderate posts that incite violence

Turns out the people pointing fingers and calling everyone else 'fascists' are the ones acting like Fascists

Are there not any conservatives who can set up an independent social media website? I could do the overall structure, but not programming. I don't understand why it's so difficult as many people that can do Java, C++, Python, etc.

 

[Joe Fan]

Are there not any conservatives who can set up an independent social media website? I could do the overall structure, but not programming. I don't understand why it's so difficult as many people that can do Java, C++, Python, etc.

If Amazon, Google and Apple want you to die, you probably are going to die

 

[PecosBill]

Records show fervent Trump fans fueled US Capitol takeover
As the arrests continue there will be mostly Trump supporters at a Trump event.

 

[PecosBill]

Are there not any conservatives who can set up an independent social media website? I could do the overall structure, but not programming. I don't understand why it's so difficult as many people that can do Java, C++, Python, etc.

Certainly a business opportunity for a well funded entrepreneur with an established brand that has an identified market and audience. Should be to attract ample funding in no time.

 

[PecosBill]

Maybe Tik tok is available

 

[Seattle Husker]

I favor eliminating Section 230, because I'm not a fan of special tort immunity in general. If you want to make products and sell them to the public, then you should make them safe for ordinary use. If you don't want the liabilities that come with being a publisher, then don't act like a publisher.

Most on the Right favor getting rid of it for a different reason. They want it gone, because they don't see consistency in how the rules are applied. I think they know it would mean more censorship, but they assume it would mean greater consistency. I honestly don't know if it actually would, but it would cut the social media giants down to size. And I think that's the point.

Facebook and Twitter have done much more harm than good to our social discourse but I blame the algorithms that simultaneously push us into our news bubbles while also seeding radical posts to incite us to respond, thus use the platform more.

To be sure, without Section 230 the internet wouldn't exist as we know it. Hornfans probably wouldn't be around. It's not just Twitter and Facebook but any blogging platform or message board is at risk. Back in the day I had a personal website on Geocities. Without Section 230 that isn't possible. Heck, Spotify allows self publishing your own music now. Do they suddenly become responsible for an song that radicalizes a person who listens to it on their platform?

I get the concerns for unequal monitoring. Just not sure wiping Section 230 is the right route.

I don't see a lot of evidence of them cracking down on what happened in Kenosha. Do they fact check "hands up don't shoot" and other myths? I don't see a lot of that done on the Left.

It's a pendulum that has been swinging. Facebook has actively begun deleting Groups with radical discussions. All the major sites have begun implementing 3-strikes policies. The problem it that when you moderate speech, any enforcement is going to be ambiguous. When you're talking 10's or 100's of millions of active users, not everyone gets moderated. It's impossible.

Why should they have different rules? They're a US company. They don't have to tolerate latter-day Hitlers just because they're coming from Islamic nations. You either take a principled stance against hate speech, or you don't. You can't be selective based on what country it's coming from and claim moral authority.

As someone that has worked for multiple International companies, you have to modify your business for the local market. At Starbucks that meant selling pastries local to the market (e.g. moon pies in China). Our stores in China were busiest in the evening as a gathering place thus needed to be larger with lots of seating space. We didn't have any drive thru locations in Asia. Surprisingly, the Chinese stores were MORE community oriented. This is why Google decided that Chinese security rules were too much for them to do business there so they pulled out.

If you're Twitter, do you have the same rules for a US customer as an Iranian customer? Why? Facebook?

Suspended for what? Was everybody who said to "burn it down" banned? That kind of talk is much closer to actual incitement than anything said by Trump. And that's not a defense of Trump. He should be impeached for what he said and did, but those who called for, justified, or rationalized violence all summer long are not in a position to lecture or censor anybody.

Clearly, the more "followed" a person is the more of a spotlight they have on them on Twitter. Some schlub with 2 followers is like a bear shitting in the woods. Does anyone care? Compare that to someone with millions of followers. Is that right? No but if you're the CA State Fire battling 30 blazes simultaneously they always focus on the most dangerous first.

Probably nobody ona singular level is more influential, but is the collective left more influential on social media than the collective right? Yes.

For me, I take a different approach. I stand by rationale of people like Justice Louis Brandeis. The remedy to bad or inaccurate speech is accurate and good speech. It isn't repression or censorship. That actually gives unearned and unjustified credibility to the bad speech. Why? Because if the bad speech is really so bad, we should be able to discredit it. We shouldn't have to censor it.

I've never visited Parler but have seen the underbelly of sites like Reddit. You've literally had people espousing the execution of government officials. Members of these groups have said things like they are on their way to kill these officials. This isn't a few exceptions but large groups together inciting each other. If this was in the 1920's the police would bust into the warehouse where they were meeting and arrest the leader. How is shutting down a site, or group, organizing and coordinating seditious and violent behavior any different?

 

[Joe Fan]

If Amazon, Google and Apple want you to die, you probably are going to die

All the other smaller vendors, of course, quickly followed suit (out of fear)
This ensured the destruction of Parler.
This is vast monopolistic power on display for all to see.
Here, it was marshaled for the explicit purpose of terminating political speech

Same question as always -- who are the modern Fascists in America?

 

[Seattle Husker]

Certainly a business opportunity for a well funded entrepreneur with an established brand that has an identified market and audience. Should be to attract ample funding in no time.

The Mercer's were reportedly behind Parler. I think the entire supply chain of a website may suddenly be problematic for these extremist, or at least unmoderated, social media platforms. Any singular site is a consortium of companies providing services whether that be hosting, DNS, ad-servers, user authentication, etc. I'm not sure a 1-stop shop to do that all exists and that includes the behemoths like Google and Amazon.

 

[Run Pincher]

Cramer leans left, but let's hope he's right about Twitter.

 

[Joe Fan]

All the other smaller vendors, of course, quickly followed suit (out of fear)
This ensured the destruction of Parler.
This is vast monopolistic power on display for all to see.
Here, it was marshaled for the explicit purpose of terminating political speech

Same question as always -- who are the modern Fascists in America?

This group is already planning to do much more than just conspiring to prevent US conservatives from enjoying their right to free speech
They are already organizing to control the behavior of entire European nations

The people are dangerous
Your silence is acquiescence to the their agenda
You cannot say you were no warned

 

[Joe Fan]

The market will provide a solution it always does.

When a small town baker in Colorado declined to customize a wedding cake for a gay couple, liberals went wild, screaming "Discrimination! and "Illegal!"

When trillion dollar conglomerates conspire to exclude millions of people from using the internet solely due to politics, liberals are all like -- "Freedom of association!" and Free enterprise!"

 

[theiioftx]

I for one would rather radicals post their messages where they can be monitored to prevent an attack. Shutting their means of public communication and forcing them underground is not helpful to law enforcement.

 

[Seattle Husker]

When a small town baker in Colorado declined to customize a wedding cake for a gay couple, liberals went wild, screaming "Discrimination! and "Illegal!"

When trillion dollar conglomerates conspire to exclude millions of people from using the internet solely due to politics, liberals are all like -- "Freedom of association!" and Free enterprise!"

When people point out the whataboutism do they realize that they are also pointing out their own hypocrisy? Just curious if that ever occurs to them? In this case, @JoeFan defended the baker and also criticizes Twitter.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

I for one would rather radicals post their messages where they can be monitored to prevent an attack. Shutting their means of public communication and forcing them underground is not helpful to law enforcement.

75 million Americans voted for Trump
They are hardly dangerous "radicals"
These are the same Americans who defeated the British in the Revolution, who fought and died in a war with Mexico which gave us the West Coast, who fought and died to preserve the union, who fought and died to save the world from Fascism, from the Naziis, from the evil Japanese, from the f'n Commies and more recently from Islamic terrorism. They deserve more respect than they are getting.

 

[mb227]

Free speech on private platforms doesn't exist.

Can I come to your house, sit in your living room and give speech whenever I please? Maybe when you have a party? No? How dare you restrict my free speech. You are clearly a fascist masquerading as a Libertarian.

See, I can be absurd to prove a point also. Seriously, actually reread the first amendment then tell me what role the government plays in the relationship between Twitter and it's customers.

Again, you miss that speech goes BEYOND the First goddamned Amendment. Twitter is a publicly traded company. They have obligations to be followed before unilaterally engaging in conduct the courts would call Prior Restraint.

Your household analogy is so far off base that it isn't even laughable. To begin with, a house is not something being set up to offer services to the public and has no obligations to outside stakeholders. I would go on but it is clear you don't grasp simple concepts.

They have harmed shareholder valuation through their actions AND simultaneously drawn the scorn of other first-world nations, including some not exactly fans of DJT.

The ONLY good thing out of all of this was people like me and others who had the wisdom to short TWTR on Friday made a nice chunk of change before 8AM today.

The irony is that the left has tacitly admitted that 'Rules for Thee but not For Me' is an acceptable manner of doing business AND that they approve of monopolistic actions. Middle America woke up this morning and is realizing WHY it is not good to have so much power in the hands of a few companies and maybe even recall WHY we broke the Bell System up all those years ago...

 

[Joe Fan]

Gab has a huge opportunity if they can build their infrastructure to scale now. They can't handle all the new traffic. If they resolve that, then that might be the option.

How long before they get the boot?

 

[PecosBill]

75 million Americans voted for Trump
They are hardly dangerous "radicals"
These are the same Americans who defeated the British in the Revolution, who fought and died in a war with Mexico which gave us the West Coast, who fought and died to preserve the union, who fought and died to save the world from Fascism, from the Naziis, from the evil Japanese, from the f'n Commies and more recently from Islamic terrorism. They deserve more respect than they are getting.

75M Americans weren't banned from Twitter.

 

[Joe Fan]

75M Americans weren't banned from Twitter.

 

[iatrogenic]

75M Americans weren't banned from Twitter.

They are very old people! Especially the ones from the Revolution!

 

[Joe Fan]

There is an effort under way to doxx anyone who was on Parler

Who behaves this way?

1. Puppies?
2. Butterflies?
3. Rainbows?, or
4. Fascists?​

 

[PecosBill]

Take TGFAP (actually Tesla for Twitter) out of the stock market gains for 2020 and you will see the value that they have for the investers and the economy.
Regulate them all and see the obvious result of restrictions.
Oh wait, conservatives like me already know these things about Govt intervention in the marketplace.

 

[mb227]

75M Americans weren't banned from Twitter.

Twitter banished a large percentage of their American customer base through the weekend purge. This is why their stock tanked after the regular market hours Friday and continuing into this morning. No violations of the Terms of Service...but the accounts nonetheless went *poof*

 

[PecosBill]

Alex Jones and InfoWars is probably a good example of what happens when the social media platforms dont have any guidelines for everyone to operate within.

IF Alex or DJT think they have been treated unfairly by any company let them sue.

 

[mb227]

Trump is now permanently suspended from Twitter.



What does this mean? Trump's tweets are being used to fuel terrorism **** in other sites. Look no further than Apple just giving Parler a 24hr ultimatum to implement a moderation policy or they'll be removed from the Itunes store. Reddit banned the subreddit r/DonaldTrump today. The big tech companies are no longer going to sit idle while darker parts of Donald Trump's supporters use them to organize, recruit and heaven forbid act on their crazy notions.

But you have no problems when the likes of AOC speak of having to 'reeducate' the Trump base. And yes, people like her have spoken in the exact same context as the Chinese camps. And since, according to Twitter, context and 'interpretation' matter, i would opine she is far more dangerous than the soccer moms with a MAGA sticker on the minivan...

You are watching Cancel Culture played out in a McCarthyistic manner...only you are too clouded by your TDS to recognize it.

 

[iatrogenic]

The claimants just need to claim they are gay. Instead of wanting a gay cake, they just want their gay voice heard. Instant win!

 

[Monahorns]

I for one would rather radicals post their messages where they can be monitored to prevent an attack. Shutting their means of public communication and forcing them underground is not helpful to law enforcement.

I was thinking the same thing iis. It is more helpful for police and security to monitor violent groups and short circuit there efforts than to force them underground to plan in secret.

 

[Joe Fan]