The Santorums Scare Me

So of the OP is so scared of a comment made by a wife but not scared when Bo says he will do Gods will. hard to give credence to the poster claiming he is not a BO supporter.

How about BO asking African Americans to have their churches to get his message out through the faith community. calls for " congregation captains"

Does that concern you at all?
 
Point taken, Prodigal (though I think you're being generous to the lunatic fringe of the Republican party to see those distinctions).

That said, the broader point stands -- that theocracies, by definition, want to impose their own version of God's will on their citizens... liberty and freedom be damned.

These quotes from the Santorums aren't decades-old and out-of-context. It's **** they're spewing on a daily basis -- they know "God's will," they want "to create a culture that's pleasing to God," and from Rick, the separation of church and state "makes me want to throw up." That last quote isn't out of context. Feel free to google it to see how/when he offered that gem of Dark-Ages thinking.

If anyone is fine with living in a theocracy, then by all means, vote for Santorum. Those of us who don't want to live under the American version of the taliban have legitimate cause for alarm.

It's one of those debates that I'm surprised we're having in this country. Should we torture prisoners? Should we let the government imprison citizens without due process simply by declaring them an enemy of the state? Should we elect leaders who boast about being offended by the separation of church and state?

p.s. (to those who don't seem capable of commenting on the topic of a thread) Yes, Obama does suck.
 
Yes, it would be terrible if we had a more Godly society. Everything is going so well right now.
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You could talk about any number of issues but to me a "more Godly society" would mean more children being raised by a mother and a father together. To me, the fact that our society is heading in a different direction tells you all you need to know. Look at the school shooting from yesterday. The kid that is accused of the crime comes from a broken home. Not surprising in the least. Now, what could a potential President or First Lady do about this problem? Who knows? But I think that at least having a conversation about the fact that we have a real problem is at least a start.
 
Shiner, here are things I'm down with:

more respectful
more hard-working
more industrious
more law-abiding
more personal responsibility
more accountable
more dignified
more well-aligned between beliefs and actions (i.e. less hypocritical)
placing more value on education and learning

But a lot of people don't want a "more Godly" country, because we'd have to agree which God and exactly how we'll know God's will.

Maybe you're fine with Santorum's version of God and Santorum's claim to know his will.

Some of us aren't.
 
If God is omnipotent, which I believe Santorum would say that he is, then the Taliban is doing his will. As is the Catholic Church. And Barack Obama. And you and me.

If God is NOT omnipotent, then who is to say what his preferences are?

And who died and left Mrs. Santorum in charge of what is pleasing to God?
 
It's not a false comparison, Bronco, and America's constitution has nothing at all to do with it.

My comparison was 1) political leaders in third-world theocracies claiming to know God's will and imposing it as law, and 2) political leaders in America claiming to know God's will and wanting to "create a culture more pleasing to God," presumably by making their version of God's will the law of the land.

Bristle and call it "juvenile" if you want, but the parallel is undeniable.
 
The reason it is juvenile is that we do not have a theocracy in the USA. We have a constitution that would never allow a theocracy to exist. Whether you "presume" their motives or not is irrelevant. It doesn't exist. Has never existed. And will never exist in America. I am sure there are some in America that would like a white only society. I do not worry about them in the least as their views will never be law.

You are deliberately distorting what Santorum is saying.

Further, how is BO's take on his beliefs different than Santorum's.
 
I never said we had a theocracy here, so you can quit pretending that I compared our systems of government. What I DID compare is American political leaders who claim to know the will of God, and political leaders in theocracies (like those under taliban rule) who claim to know the will of God.

I mean, I understand why the religious right wouldn't like the parallel, but the parallel is UNDENIABLE.

And no, I'm not distorting what the Santorums said. I don't need to distort it to make it sound exactly like something a Muslim cleric would say. I quoted it just like it came out of their right-wing Republican mouths and invited anyone to google it to show that it wasn't taken out of context.

To restate the title of the thread, the Santorums scare me.
 
Rick Santorum is less eloquent than Kennedy on this issue and not answering to the same audience. Some genuinely feared that as a Catholic, Kennedy would listen to the Pope and let him exercise a great deal of authority over America. Since the Santorums are hearing directly from God, obviously this is of less concern because even if we don't like the pope, who doesn't like God? Plus this explains about the Perrys' hearing from God. Obviously, Anita Perry overheard a message that "Rick" should be president intended for other ears.
 
BHO getting a second term scares the **** out of me. We are Greece in waiting if BHO gets re-elected. He's the Best campaigner and the worst President we've ever seen.

I like the slogan that's going around the net. "Hey Obama - Instead of apologizing for America, apologize to America"

He sucks worse than Jimmy Carter. You almost have to try to screw up to be that bad.
 
i am still trying to figure out why what the Wife of a potential candidate scares BI more than what an actual POTUS said.



as far as stem cell research goes, that is pretty much a moot point companies that were given private money for stem cell research have funneled nearly all of into into adult stem cells as those have proven more useful
 
fair enough. Like you I would never stand for Santorum pushing a legislative agenda that goes against my beliefs. he wont be able to do that nor will he even try.

It is still ironical to me that so many will bash Santorum for his religious beliefs and not say one word about BO saying the exact same thing.

I do not trust black and white extreme evangelicals at all. I think a great many of them are hypocritical. I dont think santorum is hypocritical. he wears his faith too openly for my tastes but I think he is genuine. And the ideals he talks about in his "culture" are not radical at all.
 
Bi
Agwkids provided the quote and the link here is your thread if you miised it when Bo said it.
'The prayer that I tell myself every night is a fairly simple one: I ask in the name of Jesus Christ that my sins are forgiven, that my family is protected and that I am an instrument of God's will. I'm constantly trying to align myself to what I think he calls on me to do. "

Does that scare you as well? wonder how you missed it when he said it last year but you happened to catch a wife os someone who MIGHT be a candidate

Which scares you more?
 
I was interested to see if BI thought if ac actual POTUS, BO' ,saying he was an instrument of God's will was as scary as when the wife of a person trying to be a candidate said it.
I don't see an answer yet
BI??
 
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