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@Seattle Husker , here is an example of an academic defending and advocating for violence against Alt-Right groups. I understand this is one guy's opinion, but he's far from alone. In addition, just consider the fact that he's on Meet the Press. That means that the mainstream political media takes that position seriously doesn't view it as outside the bounds of acceptability. If that is a serious position, then the First Amendment is seriously on the table for discussion, and that should bother everybody.
 
Mr. Deez said:
If that is a serious position, then the First Amendment is seriously on the table for discussion, and that should bother everybody.
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I'm amazed it's gotten this out of hand as I truly felt (before this past week) sane people from all sides of the coin would disavow the Antifa lunatics.

Now that the left has blown my naive assumption out of the water, I truly believe this is our new very disturbing reality.

The left is now supporting mob rule lawlessness in the name of what they define as offensive (monuments, hate speech, etc.).

These idiots have no clue how dangerous that monster WILL become. Giving the mob the power to decide what is acceptable or must be destroyed? Wtf!

I'm just waiting for the second amendment to play it's part for those deciding their first amendment rights are worth protecting during mob style physical attacks.

Somebody will unload a clip on Antifa before too long. They can't just keep mob beating Folks on the reg without more death involved backlash.
 
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Brad Austin said:
I'm amazed it's gotten this out of hand as I truly felt (before this past week) sane people from all sides of the coin would disavow the Antifa lunatics.

Now that the left has blown my naive assumption out of the water, I truly believe this is our new very disturbing reality.

The left is now supporting mob rule lawlessness in the name of what they define as offensive (monuments, hate speech, etc.).

These idiots have no clue how dangerous that monster WILL become. Giving the mob the power to decide what is acceptable or must be destroyed? Wtf!

I'm just waiting for the second amendment to play it's part for those deciding their first amendment rights are worth protecting during mob style physical attacks.

Somebody will unload a clip on Antifa before too long. They can't just keep mob beating Folks on the reg without more death involved backlash.
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I will give credit where it's due. Richard Cohen with the Southern Poverty Law Center and Andrew Young both thought this guy was full of crap and disavowed violence. However, my worry is that violence is actually being put on the table as a serious tactic.
 
Mr. Deez said:
However, my worry is that violence is actually being put on the table as a serious tactic.
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The "hate speech is not free speech" movement is gaining serious momentum on the left. They've already ignored numerous Antifa attacks on those they disagree with.

Of course most of us realize the mob's definition of hate speech will keep getting looser by the day as they are emboldened.

I assume the end game for American left leaders is to claim intolerance of hate speech is now a societal norm we must accept and adapt to.

In order to reclaim law and order from vigilante style justice they'll demand it must be defined and lawfully enforced.

Then as planned the state will step in and pass laws outlining their means serving definition of hate speech. And the censorship train is in full steam.

The same leftist strategy is already in place in many European countries. We already see the "hate speech" double standard in regards to Muslims.

Now if the American left can turn a blind eye to radical left violence and facilitate enough societal confrontation, they'll make their run at the first amendment.
 
SH and the other Libs on this board. Are you a shamed or embarrassed by your party yet? If you're not, that wouldn't surprise me. Pretty telling!!!

Something that just happened at my gym I own that is troubling. We have three big TV's in different parts of the gym that we leave the remote out so anybody that wants to change the channel can. In the past this has never been a problem until recently. Of course all of our cardio equipment has it's own TV and they just plug in the headphones to the channel they watch. We are open 24 hours so when I come in on mornings the TV is on a different channel daily. Sometimes sports center, sometimes CNN, sometimes Fox and even sometimes on the Longhorn Network :)hookem:). Recently we've had three incidence when the TV was on Fox and a lady couldn't find the remote to change it and was not happy because it was on Fox News. Nobody was watching it so no big deal.

Well just this last Friday a lady came in and changed the channel off of Fox while a guy who had been watching it between reps. She then went to a cardio machine and plugged in her head phones and watched her preferred TV. The cardio equipment isn't even in the same area of the TV that Fox was on. So basically she is not watching it but trying to censor others from watching that certain channel. So the guy went to the bathroom and when he returned he seen the changed he had been watching was changed. So he changed it back to Fox News. Apparently she noticed it was changed back from across the room and confronted the guy that had it back on Fox News. She asked if it was him that changed it back to Fox News with an angry voice. He was caught by surprised and responded no out of reaction. She changed it back off of Fox News and said "I'm sick of Fox News and their antics" as she left the area and back over to her cardio machine to watch her TV again. The guy that was watching came to my office to tell me about it so when I came out on the floor I seen an elderly lady that just arrived and didn't have a clue what had happen change the channel to Fox News again. So I hung out on the gym floor to make sure that lady didn't confront the elderly lady about changing the channel back to Fox News. Fortunately the lady did the rest of her cardio and left.

The point of that story is why are so many liberals always trying to intimidate and have bullish behavior toward anybody that don't agree with how they think? Or more importantly why does that party attract those kind of people? I think that party and their Fake News Networks encourage them to engage, disrupt, humiliate, and even cause violence to push their agenda. I think it's going to be a long time before that party wins an election again.

God Bless America and the silent majority that will use their heads when voting. Also I'm very proud of President Trump in how he's turning things around. A new projection is now showing the GDP could be up to 4% when it comes out next. That projection is up from the previous projection that was showing it up at 3.7%. Good things are changing right before our eyes with policies. While that's going on the Libs are trying to distract with antifa pulling down statues and calling everyone racist. Meanwhile, while their leaders of that party continue to try to block progress for our great country.
 
I35 said:
SH and the other Libs on this board. Are you a shamed or embarrassed by your party yet? If you're not, that wouldn't surprise me. Pretty telling!!!

Something that just happened at my gym I own that is troubling. We have three big TV's in different parts of the gym that we leave the remote out so anybody that wants to change the channel can. In the past this has never been a problem until recently. Of course all of our cardio equipment has it's own TV and they just plug in the headphones to the channel they watch. We are open 24 hours so when I come in on mornings the TV is on a different channel daily. Sometimes sports center, sometimes CNN, sometimes Fox and even sometimes on the Longhorn Network :)hookem:). Recently we've had three incidence when the TV was on Fox and a lady couldn't find the remote to change it and was not happy because it was on Fox News. Nobody was watching it so no big deal.

Well just this last Friday a lady came in and changed the channel off of Fox while a guy who had been watching it between reps. She then went to a cardio machine and plugged in her head phones and watched her preferred TV. The cardio equipment isn't even in the same area of the TV that Fox was on. So basically she is not watching it but trying to censor others from watching that certain channel. So the guy went to the bathroom and when he returned he seen the changed he had been watching was changed. So he changed it back to Fox News. Apparently she noticed it was changed back from across the room and confronted the guy that had it back on Fox News. She asked if it was him that changed it back to Fox News with an angry voice. He was caught by surprised and responded no out of reaction. She changed it back off of Fox News and said "I'm sick of Fox News and their antics" as she left the area and back over to her cardio machine to watch her TV again. The guy that was watching came to my office to tell me about it so when I came out on the floor I seen an elderly lady that just arrived and didn't have a clue what had happen change the channel to Fox News again. So I hung out on the gym floor to make sure that lady didn't confront the elderly lady about changing the channel back to Fox News. Fortunately the lady did the rest of her cardio and left.

The point of that story is why are so many liberals always trying to intimidate and have bullish behavior toward anybody that don't agree with how they think? Or more importantly why does that party attract those kind of people? I think that party and their Fake News Networks encourage them to engage, disrupt, humiliate, and even cause violence to push their agenda. I think it's going to be a long time before that party wins an election again.

God Bless America and the silent majority that will use their heads when voting. Also I'm very proud of President Trump in how he's turning things around. A new projection is now showing the GDP could be up to 4% when it comes out next. That projection is up from the previous projection that was showing it up at 3.7%. Good things are changing right before our eyes with policies. While that's going on the Libs are trying to distract with antifa pulling down statues and calling everyone racist. Meanwhile, while their leaders of that party continue to try to block progress for our great country.
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I owned a bar for ten years. I can back up your experiences with the liberal TV nazis , I35.
 
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Mr. Deez said:
@Seattle Husker , here is an example of an academic defending and advocating for violence against Alt-Right groups. I understand this is one guy's opinion, but he's far from alone. In addition, just consider the fact that he's on Meet the Press. That means that the mainstream political media takes that position seriously doesn't view it as outside the bounds of acceptability. If that is a serious position, then the First Amendment is seriously on the table for discussion, and that should bother everybody.
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How far from alone is that Dartmouth professor? 10% of liberals share his view? 30%? 50%? My stance on Meet the Press having this debate is that it's a conversation that needs to be had, just like we are having it here, rather than a perspective that they view it as acceptable. Chuck Todd clearly took the side Cohen and the SPLC in the interview. BTW- I wholeheartedly agree with Cohen.
 
I35 said:
SH and the other Libs on this board. Are you a shamed or embarrassed by your party yet? If you're not, that wouldn't surprise me. Pretty telling!!!

Something that just happened at my gym I own that is troubling. We have three big TV's in different parts of the gym that we leave the remote out so anybody that wants to change the channel can. In the past this has never been a problem until recently. Of course all of our cardio equipment has it's own TV and they just plug in the headphones to the channel they watch. We are open 24 hours so when I come in on mornings the TV is on a different channel daily. Sometimes sports center, sometimes CNN, sometimes Fox and even sometimes on the Longhorn Network :)hookem:). Recently we've had three incidence when the TV was on Fox and a lady couldn't find the remote to change it and was not happy because it was on Fox News. Nobody was watching it so no big deal.

Well just this last Friday a lady came in and changed the channel off of Fox while a guy who had been watching it between reps. She then went to a cardio machine and plugged in her head phones and watched her preferred TV. The cardio equipment isn't even in the same area of the TV that Fox was on. So basically she is not watching it but trying to censor others from watching that certain channel. So the guy went to the bathroom and when he returned he seen the changed he had been watching was changed. So he changed it back to Fox News. Apparently she noticed it was changed back from across the room and confronted the guy that had it back on Fox News. She asked if it was him that changed it back to Fox News with an angry voice. He was caught by surprised and responded no out of reaction. She changed it back off of Fox News and said "I'm sick of Fox News and their antics" as she left the area and back over to her cardio machine to watch her TV again. The guy that was watching came to my office to tell me about it so when I came out on the floor I seen an elderly lady that just arrived and didn't have a clue what had happen change the channel to Fox News again. So I hung out on the gym floor to make sure that lady didn't confront the elderly lady about changing the channel back to Fox News. Fortunately the lady did the rest of her cardio and left.

The point of that story is why are so many liberals always trying to intimidate and have bullish behavior toward anybody that don't agree with how they think? Or more importantly why does that party attract those kind of people? I think that party and their Fake News Networks encourage them to engage, disrupt, humiliate, and even cause violence to push their agenda. I think it's going to be a long time before that party wins an election again.

God Bless America and the silent majority that will use their heads when voting. Also I'm very proud of President Trump in how he's turning things around. A new projection is now showing the GDP could be up to 4% when it comes out next. That projection is up from the previous projection that was showing it up at 3.7%. Good things are changing right before our eyes with policies. While that's going on the Libs are trying to distract with antifa pulling down statues and calling everyone racist. Meanwhile, while their leaders of that party continue to try to block progress for our great country.
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If only the world were as black/white as you make it out to be. It's not, of course.
 
Seattle Husker said:
If only the world were as black/white as you make it out to be. It's not, of course.
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There is a little gray area in everything. I'm talking about for the most part. Only a far left liberal hack would try to make the equivalent of the two 50/50. Joe Fan gives more examples per day the uncivility from the left than the fake news can give in a year. I guess it's just a coincidence that most of us actually come across these people in everyday life. My brother-in-law is one of the nicest guys I know until politics comes out and he's not the same person. I don't talk politics or religion because I don't believe in the bully tactics that come from that side. But on HornFans is my chance to vent about how crappy the other party is. Your party is just one giant contradiction after another.
 
I35 said:
There is a little gray area in everything. I'm talking about for the most part. Only a far left liberal hack would try to make the equivalent of the two 50/50. Joe Fan gives more examples per day the uncivility from the left than the fake news can give in a year. I guess it's just a coincidence that most of us actually come across these people in everyday life. My brother-in-law is one of the nicest guys I know until politics comes out and he's not the same person. I don't talk politics or religion because I don't believe in the bully tactics that come from that side. But on HornFans is my chance to vent about how crappy the other party is. Your party is just one giant contradiction after another.
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I've stated before that I'm not a "Democrat", I'm a registered Independent. I do this specifically as to ensure I'm not painted with the brush that is used for every member of the party. Yes, I lean liberal on a board full of conservatives but in RL I'm a centrist.

Let's also be clear, JoeFan's posts are every bit as disdainful as left-leaning radicals albeit simply posted and/or stolen from 4Chan/Reddit with a bit more eloquence. If you think JoeFan is any less extreme in his ideas then that's why I'm here to highlight that fallacy. That's why point out either the lies (yes, there are many), add context (yes, he often builds a narrative on absurdly false context) or simply they are grossly hypocritical. There are also some very accurate things he posts which I'll agree with from time to time.

If you think "bully tactics" only come from the left, you may have missed the volume of memes JoeFan posts from alt-right sources, many Tea Party rallies but most importantly the campaign and actions of our POTUS.
 
Seattle Husker said:
I've stated before that I'm not a "Democrat", I'm a registered Independent. I do this specifically as to ensure I'm not painted with the brush that is used for every member of the party. Yes, I lean liberal on a board full of conservatives but in RL I'm a centrist.

Let's also be clear, JoeFan's posts are every bit as disdainful as left-leaning radicals albeit simply posted and/or stolen from 4Chan/Reddit with a bit more eloquence. If you think JoeFan is any less extreme in his ideas then that's why I'm here to highlight that fallacy. That's why point out either the lies (yes, there are many), add context (yes, he often builds a narrative on absurdly false context) or simply they are grossly hypocritical. There are also some very accurate things he posts which I'll agree with from time to time.

If you think "bully tactics" only come from the left, you may have missed the volume of memes JoeFan posts from alt-right sources, many Tea Party rallies but most importantly the campaign and actions of our POTUS.
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You have a different definition of bullying. Posting "triggering" info of other viewpoints even if propaganda is not bullying.
 
mchammer said:
You have a different definition of bullying. Posting "triggering" info of other viewpoints even if propaganda is not bullying.
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Bullying was simply one aspect and I didn't claim that all of said poster's responses fell into the "bullying" category. It was said in the context that the bullying definition being used here is an attempt to quiet others. We'll have to agree to disagree if you think that doesn't a all apply to some posts on this board.
 
Seattle Husker said:
How far from alone is that Dartmouth professor? 10% of liberals share his view? 30%? 50%?
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Without polling data, it's hard to say. I see plenty on social media who are OK with it, but anecdotes aren't particularly helpful.

Seattle Husker said:
My stance on Meet the Press having this debate is that it's a conversation that needs to be had, just like we are having it here, rather than a perspective that they view it as acceptable.
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Is it really a conversation that needs to be had? There are certain areas that we've sorta assumed aren't on the table for discussion. For example, Chuck Todd didn't have Richard Spencer on to discuss the merits of ethnic nationalism, because it's considered outside the bounds of acceptable politics (and should be). The idea of extrajudicial beatings of other people for no reason other than their political statements should be one of those areas as well. And think about the consequences of putting it on the table for discussion. If this is on the table, then why can't lynch mobs be on the table? Hell, if it's on the table, then it, frankly, becomes possible to morally justify and defend the guy who ran over the counterprotestor. Do you see where this is heading? It's not pretty. It's much better and safer to just say "violence on the basis of politics is never OK."

Seattle Husker said:
BTW- I wholeheartedly agree with Cohen.
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I'm not worried about you. You've sorta been pigeonholed as the raging Bolshevik here, but that's only because some people here don't have any perspective, so because you aren't as conservative as they are, they assume you've memorized Das Kapital and that you burn American flags and bibles in your backyard. I have enough perspective to know better, but I also know that there's a pretty substantial group of Americans who are many miles to your left, some of whom are receptive to Prof. Bray's arguments, particularly if they're legitimized in a generally respected political forum.
 
Mr. Deez said:
I'm not worried about you. You've sorta been pigeonholed as the raging Bolshevik here, but that's only because some people here don't have any perspective, so because you aren't as conservative as they are, they assume you've memorized Das Kapital and that you burn American flags and bibles in your backyard.
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That's not close to the problems people have with SH.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Is it really a conversation that needs to be had? There are certain areas that we've sorta assumed aren't on the table for discussion. For example, Chuck Todd didn't have Richard Spencer on to discuss the merits of ethnic nationalism, because it's considered outside the bounds of acceptable politics (and should be). The idea of extrajudicial beatings of other people for no reason other than their political statements should be one of those areas as well. And think about the consequences of putting it on the table for discussion. If this is on the table, then why can't lynch mobs be on the table? Hell, if it's on the table, then it, frankly, becomes possible to morally justify and defend the guy who ran over the counterprotestor. Do you see where this is heading? It's not pretty. It's much better and safer to just say "violence on the basis of politics is never OK."
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I can see your perspective although I hope saner heads would prevail before it escalated to that level. Liberals do need to be shown that supporting violence by antifa is not acceptable.
 
The Murdoch children want to jettison Hannity


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CNN's campaign of bias and hate is not working --

For July 2017, CNN was -48 percent in total prime time viewers, -29 percent in total day viewers, -48 in the prime-time demo, and -28 percent in the total day demo versus July 2016.

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I-35 .... the type of stuff you described was happening even before; it's one of the big reasons Trump is president right now.

CNN's campaign of bias and hate is not working --
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CNN having a full-length article on why Trump was a certified moron for briefly squinting at the eclipse really took the cake. (I'm no fan of Trump nor of Fox News, btw, but right now CNN is far and away the leader in US news networks in terms of blatant agendas ruling their every move. Sadly, there's nobody who wouldn't ascribe that too, it's just a matter of degrees).
 
It is so hard for me to imagine Maddow can be leading in her time slot against anybody. Yes I am on the other side of scale but she really seems so far overboard that while I can listen to other left wingers she irritates me beyond my tolerance level.
 
nashhorn said:
It is so hard for me to imagine Maddow can be leading in her time slot against anybody. Yes I am on the other side of scale but she really seems so far overboard that while I can listen to other left wingers she irritates me beyond my tolerance level.
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Agreed. I couldn't remotely listen to her. I put her in the same camp at O'Reilly and Hannity in terms of pure biased coverage on any topic they select to discuss.
 
nashhorn said:
It is so hard for me to imagine Maddow can be leading in her time slot against anybody. Yes I am on the other side of scale but she really seems so far overboard that while I can listen to other left wingers she irritates me beyond my tolerance level.
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I don't think it's hard to imagine. I think most people don't care to get real political news or fair commentary. They want to hear someone who repeatedly tells them, "You're right and good, and everybody who disagrees with you is stupid, morally corrupt, or both and therefore unworthy of your respect or fairness." Well, if you're a hardcore liberal, who's better than Maddow at doing this? She consistently takes the liberal side on issues, and she does so with tremendous smugness, sarcasm, and righteous anger. Furthermore, because she's an out lesbian, you get to feel good about yourself for patronizing somebody from a group you deem "oppressed" and virtue signal a little if you get to tell people you watch her. If you're a partisan liberal, why listen to anybody else?

And Maddow didn't invent this. Hannity has been doing the same thing on the conservative side since the late '90s. (I don't lump O'Reilly with him, because O'Reilly's rap changed over the last 15 years. He was less of a partisan in his earlier days.)

And of course, Hannity was just a Rush Limbaugh imitator who had a better face for TV. Limbaugh was probably the inventor of this kind of show at least on a big scale. In fact, I used to listen to him back in the '90s, and he was pretty candid about his rap. He readily acknowledged that his role was to communicate to the middle America that mainstream media sources looked down upon and validate what they already knew to be true.

Maddow is simply following in Limbaugh's tradition, but instead of appealing to middle America, she appeals to urban liberals on the coasts.
 
mchammer said:
NYT going to screw this up:

Palin, Fake News and the Times https://www.wsj.com/articles/palin-fake-news-and-the-times-1503597497
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The judge dismissed Palin's defamation case today.

"Nowhere is political journalism so free, so robust, or perhaps so rowdy as in the United States," Judge Jed Rakoff wrote in an opinion dismissing the case.

"In the exercise of that freedom, mistakes will be made, some of which will be hurtful to others."

Rakoff found that Palin did not meet the legal standard of proving malice toward a public figure, noting that the paper issued two corrections to the editorial in the hours after it was published.

“Such behavior is much more plausibly consistent with making an unintended mistake and then correcting it than with acting with actual malice,” he wrote.
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And of course, Hannity was just a Rush Limbaugh imitator who had a better face for TV. Limbaugh was probably the inventor of this kind of show at least on a big scale. In fact, I used to listen to him back in the '90s, and he was pretty candid about his rap. He readily acknowledged that his role was to communicate to the middle America that mainstream media sources looked down upon and validate what they already knew to be true.

Maddow is simply following in Limbaugh's tradition, but instead of appealing to middle America, she appeals to urban liberals on the coasts
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What's interesting is how it only grants a label to some of them.

Rush Limbaugh is "the conservative radio guy". Bill O'Reilly is "the right-wing newscaster". Rachel Maddow is just a television news host.
 
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