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"Psst, Teachers don't have as a big an input in a childs development as actively participating parents."
I thought we were talking about those parents who, for whatever reason, had abdicated their responsibility as an "actively participating parent". Government is just part of the equation. In the best possible world children would be cherished and nurtured by their family, their community (Hillary's village), and their government. This is too important to not cover all our bets.
God bless Texas!
I thought we were talking about those parents who, for whatever reason, had abdicated their responsibility as an "actively participating parent". Government is just part of the equation. In the best possible world children would be cherished and nurtured by their family, their community (Hillary's village), and their government. This is too important to not cover all our bets.
God bless Texas!
HornGrandioso
500+ Posts
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bozo_casanova
2,500+ Posts
I don't advocate collecting all the money and redistributing it equally. I do object to the bald assertion that those who are poor are uniformly where they belong to be or are fated to be. That is ignorant.
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Actually it is not, people are poor for 1 or two reasons, either they are stupid or dont give a sh*t. if you don't believe me, look at all the poor people that won the lottery (not just a payment of $100,000, but millions of dollars), almost all of those that were poor and won blew it all given enough time.
A few studies on the recent lottery winners was conducted. These included winners of lottery that had fetched them a few million dollars to close to a hundred million.
Shocking Fact. Almost all have them lost all their money in just a few years.
The Link
I know you want to believe it but the truth is we are not all equal...some are smarter than others, some have better genetics than others. The poor should be thankful of the rich, because without them, that mobile home they live in would probably be a cave. it took someone smart enough to form a company to construct that mobile home at a cheap price so that a poor soul could find an inexpensive place to live. it may sound insensitive but it is the truth.
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Actually it is not, people are poor for 1 or two reasons, either they are stupid or dont give a sh*t. if you don't believe me, look at all the poor people that won the lottery (not just a payment of $100,000, but millions of dollars), almost all of those that were poor and won blew it all given enough time.
A few studies on the recent lottery winners was conducted. These included winners of lottery that had fetched them a few million dollars to close to a hundred million.
Shocking Fact. Almost all have them lost all their money in just a few years.
The Link
I know you want to believe it but the truth is we are not all equal...some are smarter than others, some have better genetics than others. The poor should be thankful of the rich, because without them, that mobile home they live in would probably be a cave. it took someone smart enough to form a company to construct that mobile home at a cheap price so that a poor soul could find an inexpensive place to live. it may sound insensitive but it is the truth.
since you are a student i don't think you qualify because you do not have a full tim position....your destiny will be decided by what you decide to do, you could go to work for a large oil and gas company and make a lot of money, or you could go work for a public or private research group, regardless, you will not be poor, ie, living in a slum..
Wow! So now I should be pissed if the poor do not approach me thanking me for what they have as it could be worse? And the focus group that proves this is the poor who have won the lottery?
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no, but they shouldnt blame the rich for their problems and believe the rhetoric of a politician because he/she says that their problems are caused by others. i would really like to get a thank you letter from the government every year for the taxes i pay...it won't happen but i would like to get one....the lottery example i think is a good one, it is an indicator of what an unintelligent person will do with a ton of money if not given any checks or balances....see congress as another example...
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no, but they shouldnt blame the rich for their problems and believe the rhetoric of a politician because he/she says that their problems are caused by others. i would really like to get a thank you letter from the government every year for the taxes i pay...it won't happen but i would like to get one....the lottery example i think is a good one, it is an indicator of what an unintelligent person will do with a ton of money if not given any checks or balances....see congress as another example...
Nivek,
If your only choices are the General's stupid versus lazy, choose stupid. Someday you'll have your PhD and your IQ will immediately rise by 100% and you won't be stupid any longer.
In all seriousness, the General has no concept of the thought and hard work that goes into graduate study in the sciences. He will never appreciate the demands on creativity, insight, and sweat required to earn your $14K per year. I suspect he also won't appreciate the effort a divorced mother of three expends to earn her $25K per year. From his perspective, poverty is a synonym for lazy and stupid. He has no clue.
God bless Texas!
If your only choices are the General's stupid versus lazy, choose stupid. Someday you'll have your PhD and your IQ will immediately rise by 100% and you won't be stupid any longer.
In all seriousness, the General has no concept of the thought and hard work that goes into graduate study in the sciences. He will never appreciate the demands on creativity, insight, and sweat required to earn your $14K per year. I suspect he also won't appreciate the effort a divorced mother of three expends to earn her $25K per year. From his perspective, poverty is a synonym for lazy and stupid. He has no clue.
God bless Texas!
While I agree with the notion that people control their own destiny and that generally poor people are there due to the sum of the choices they've made, it's more than a bit wrong to claim that all poor people are poor because they're lazy or somehow otherwise lacking. Poor people exist because we've got limited resources, and some are going to have more than others. Typically those resources will be allocated to those who earn them, however there are plenty of poor people who are intelligent and hardworking but due to circumstances largely beyond their control will never become rich. That's the nature of the beast. I'm not advocating we change it, but the opinion shown by many here that poor people all deserve to be poor is frankly offensive.
In all seriousness, the General has no concept of the thought and hard work that goes into graduate study in the sciences. He will never appreciate the demands on creativity, insight, and sweat required to earn your $14K per year. I suspect he also won't appreciate the effort a divorced mother of three expends to earn her $25K per year. From his perspective, poverty is a synonym for lazy and stupid. He has no clue.
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I understand the hard work that goes into graduate studies...it is a price to pay..ie..hard work... so that you can move on to bigger and better things....I was underpaid and struggling for a very long time as well, I even had some very very bad luck and breaks along the way but i kept proding along...
admittedly, poverty is caused more by sociological influences than anything...i was pushed by peers and family to try my best to succeed...competition is what pushes people to do their best, at least it did for me...impoverished people do not have those influences, yet throwing money at them is not the answer either, you have to change the culture. if you don't, then there will always be poverty. you don't have to be rich to be successful, you just have to have enough not to take from the government and know that you did your best. if u take an education seriously and do your best, i believe you will succeed..even if you fall on your face you will have the ability to get back up and try again.
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I understand the hard work that goes into graduate studies...it is a price to pay..ie..hard work... so that you can move on to bigger and better things....I was underpaid and struggling for a very long time as well, I even had some very very bad luck and breaks along the way but i kept proding along...
admittedly, poverty is caused more by sociological influences than anything...i was pushed by peers and family to try my best to succeed...competition is what pushes people to do their best, at least it did for me...impoverished people do not have those influences, yet throwing money at them is not the answer either, you have to change the culture. if you don't, then there will always be poverty. you don't have to be rich to be successful, you just have to have enough not to take from the government and know that you did your best. if u take an education seriously and do your best, i believe you will succeed..even if you fall on your face you will have the ability to get back up and try again.
Kyrie Eleison
500+ Posts
general [and pevo],
Whether you two want to believe it or not, I'm a living, breathing counter-example to everything [both of] you just stated.
I'll let those posters in the know fill you in. Suffice it to say that my predicament was and is due to factors far and away beyond my control, and because of that my 7 y/o son was a mere 60 mins. from being declared dead on August 23, 2007, as well as coming very, very close to costing all of us, myself included, our lives on February 9....a mere 10 days ago.
So with all due respect, all of this prognosticating, Republican orthodoxy theoretical soothsaying is a big, steaming pile of ********. And you're [both] pushing it by the truckload.
[I wonder how many more posters I'm going to have to edit and include?]
Whether you two want to believe it or not, I'm a living, breathing counter-example to everything [both of] you just stated.
I'll let those posters in the know fill you in. Suffice it to say that my predicament was and is due to factors far and away beyond my control, and because of that my 7 y/o son was a mere 60 mins. from being declared dead on August 23, 2007, as well as coming very, very close to costing all of us, myself included, our lives on February 9....a mere 10 days ago.
So with all due respect, all of this prognosticating, Republican orthodoxy theoretical soothsaying is a big, steaming pile of ********. And you're [both] pushing it by the truckload.
[I wonder how many more posters I'm going to have to edit and include?]
We'reTexas
25+ Posts
because homeless people are very representative of poverty
Kyrie Eleison
500+ Posts
For me, it doesn't matter what they do with it...that's not my call.
"Whatever you do to the least of these, you do to me."
That's the standard we Christians are called to uphold and assume. And that's all that matters for me.
"Whatever you do to the least of these, you do to me."
That's the standard we Christians are called to uphold and assume. And that's all that matters for me.
General35,
My point was not to fish for attention but simply to contradict your statement about the stupid vs. lazy as reasons people are poor.
Cliff Note version: being poor may be a transition stage for some, but being in transition doesn't help me pay the rent.
I am a geophysicist, what happens if I lose control or lose my arms, sight, or get injured? I am severely ******. How likely is it? I will not share why, 2 people on here probably know though.
My parents encouraged me to quit HS and go to work, because I was a crappy student, and hardly went to school. I never really listened to them. My automotive skills ended up landing me my first permanent injury to my right knee. Because it was a worker's comp. case, the money I recovered was a pittance. The guy who clipped me, was drunk. I was 18, poor, relatively unskilled, living on my own (plus 1 semi-normal and 1 seriously ****** up roommate), and had little resources. Oh, and I was fired from that job after getting injured. And laws protecting me from being fired are only worthwhile if I could have afforded an attorney. Military didn't want me either, cause of the injury.
I got out of this mess by both hard work and luck. I was lucky to meet a good woman and for some ****** up reason she was attracted to me. She was the catalyst for many things. But it still doesn't change the fact that my bottom line income still sucks like OUsux.
My point was not to fish for attention but simply to contradict your statement about the stupid vs. lazy as reasons people are poor.
Cliff Note version: being poor may be a transition stage for some, but being in transition doesn't help me pay the rent.
I am a geophysicist, what happens if I lose control or lose my arms, sight, or get injured? I am severely ******. How likely is it? I will not share why, 2 people on here probably know though.
My parents encouraged me to quit HS and go to work, because I was a crappy student, and hardly went to school. I never really listened to them. My automotive skills ended up landing me my first permanent injury to my right knee. Because it was a worker's comp. case, the money I recovered was a pittance. The guy who clipped me, was drunk. I was 18, poor, relatively unskilled, living on my own (plus 1 semi-normal and 1 seriously ****** up roommate), and had little resources. Oh, and I was fired from that job after getting injured. And laws protecting me from being fired are only worthwhile if I could have afforded an attorney. Military didn't want me either, cause of the injury.
I got out of this mess by both hard work and luck. I was lucky to meet a good woman and for some ****** up reason she was attracted to me. She was the catalyst for many things. But it still doesn't change the fact that my bottom line income still sucks like OUsux.
Wulaw Horn
1,000+ Posts
HP-
One of the best posts I've ever seen on WM and maybe the first time I've ever agreed with you on here.
KE and others arguing with General and Pevo: they aren't wrong (except to the extent that they apply absolutes) any more than yall are.
Plenty of people are poor for having done poor people things.
You two are wrong- generally in my mind- in not equating opportunity to poor people- some of my buddies do stupid and poor people things but aren't poor b/c of safety net, relatives, freinds, social networking etc- it's a combination of the two.
That being said- I agree with Kyree- it doesn't matter why, it matters that as a christian I'm supposed to help. I don't know that I do enough (which probably right there means I don't).
It's a son of a ***** trying to live a christ centered life. Libs screw some big time things up about it, as a general rule, as do conservatives. It'd be interesting- to relate this to WM- to see a true religous candidate- I'm thinking he garners about 3% of the vote- he'd piss off everyone about something.
One of the best posts I've ever seen on WM and maybe the first time I've ever agreed with you on here.
KE and others arguing with General and Pevo: they aren't wrong (except to the extent that they apply absolutes) any more than yall are.
Plenty of people are poor for having done poor people things.
You two are wrong- generally in my mind- in not equating opportunity to poor people- some of my buddies do stupid and poor people things but aren't poor b/c of safety net, relatives, freinds, social networking etc- it's a combination of the two.
That being said- I agree with Kyree- it doesn't matter why, it matters that as a christian I'm supposed to help. I don't know that I do enough (which probably right there means I don't).
It's a son of a ***** trying to live a christ centered life. Libs screw some big time things up about it, as a general rule, as do conservatives. It'd be interesting- to relate this to WM- to see a true religous candidate- I'm thinking he garners about 3% of the vote- he'd piss off everyone about something.
accuratehorn
10,000+ Posts
Does General35 have a bumper sticker that says "Let 'em Eat Cake?" because if he doesn't , he should. Haven't heard this point of view since the French Revolution, didn't know it still existed. Aristocracy has its benefits, I suppose, if you don't have to look in too many mirrors.
J.Naz. was skinny and had a beard? He didn't seem really to care about taxes that much from what I read. He also seemed to occasionally command people to do things but never backed it up with audits, police actions or expected obedience. I feel he viewed compassion, communism and personal responsibility as strictly voluntary acts made at the individual level and never things to be compelled. And he did get angry and angsty at times.
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