Texas @ South Carolina 01/12/2015

Bucksgal said:
Shooting 23% now. Take Booker out of the game and give Sarah Graves a chance!
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I've agreed with most your takes in this thread up to this one. That is just the silliest thing in the world to even mention Sara Graves in this thread; she would have gotten eaten alive today by every South Carolina player she would have had to defend, and who would have been defending her.

It's too bad Laila Phelia isn't healthy; we needed offense while Booker was struggling, but we have no on the bench at her position who can supply that.
 
Here's my overall assessment. I held out a slight amount of hope that Texas could win since South Carolina lost one of their interior players in Ashlyn Watkins. But, I also thought we'd be in trouble if our 5 starters didn't show up offensively and no Laila Phelia available.

Vic wants to believe he can out-physical and out-athlete all his opponents. That works against a lot of teams. It will never work against teams like South Carolina, UConn, and LSU, to name a few. All those teams are just as physical and just as athletic. Those teams are just so much better than us offensively.

Until Vic puts an emphasis on offensive strategy and quality shooters, we will be limited. This South Carolina team reminds of some of Mulkey's teams at Baylor. Playing their own brand of physical, pound it inside basketball won't beat them is they were so good at it; the only way to beat them (like ISU and Oregon State did on occasion) was to out-shoot them, especially from the perimeter. Attempting five 3-point shots and making only one of them late by Preston was never gonna be enough.

In all our non-conference blowouts, Vic put so much emphasis on pounding the ball inside so Taylor and Kyla could get layup practice from 2-feet under the basket. That was never going to help against teams where we needed to be creative on offense and have our perimeter players trying to improve their confidence shooting the ball in actual games; those games should have also been used to run plays for the perimeter shooters. Didn't feel like we ran many plays today that stretched the defense.

We as fans on here always hate when opponents play zone defense against us, and so does Vic. Well, SC played man-to-man defense today all game and they ate our lunch time and time again. Holle can't create her own shot for the most part, and she wasn't left wide open maybe more than once. Lee also was guarded tightly and couldn't get her feet set to shoot more than 6 times the whole game.

Bottom line is that South Carolina is bigger, stronger, quicker and deeper than Texas at just about every position; Booker was potentially the only player who'd be a starter at SC and she has not been good in SEC play (8 points at OU; 3 points at home against Arkansas; and 7 points at SC). I doubt she wins SEC POY as she was voted in the pre-season.
 
I want to be more upset, but I’m not. We all saw it. We know we are capable of beating them. We tied them in the last two quarters. I don’t think our team has hit its ceiling yet. We lost 4 games last year but finished strong enough to be a one seed. We’ve lost to #2 and #3, both on the road. Again, I want to be more upset, but…
 
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Moooooo said:
Here's my overall assessment. I held out a slight amount of hope that Texas could win since South Carolina lost one of their interior players in Ashlyn Watkins. But, I also thought we'd be in trouble if our 5 starters didn't show up offensively and no Laila Phelia available.

Vic wants to believe he can out-physical and out-athlete all his opponents. That works against a lot of teams. It will never work against teams like South Carolina, UConn, and LSU, to name a few. All those teams are just as physical and just as athletic. Those teams are just so much better than us offensively.

Until Vic puts an emphasis on offensive strategy and quality shooters, we will be limited. This South Carolina team reminds of some of Mulkey's teams at Baylor. Playing their own brand of physical, pound it inside basketball won't beat them is they were so good at it; the only way to beat them (like ISU and Oregon State did on occasion) was to out-shoot them, especially from the perimeter. Attempting five 3-point shots and making only one of them late by Preston was never gonna be enough.

In all our non-conference blowouts, Vic put so much emphasis on pounding the ball inside so Taylor and Kyla could get layup practice from 2-feet under the basket. That was never going to help against teams where we needed to be creative on offense and have our perimeter players trying to improve their confidence shooting the ball in actual games; those games should have also been used to run plays for the perimeter shooters. Didn't feel like we ran many plays today that stretched the defense.

We as fans on here always hate when opponents play zone defense against us, and so does Vic. Well, SC played man-to-man defense today all game and they ate our lunch time and time again. Holle can't create her own shot for the most part, and she wasn't left wide open maybe more than once. Lee also was guarded tightly and couldn't get her feet set to shoot more than 6 times the whole game.

Bottom line is that South Carolina is bigger, stronger, quicker and deeper than Texas at just about every position; Booker was potentially the only player who'd be a starter at SC and she has not been good in SEC play (8 points at OU; 3 points at home against Arkansas; and 7 points at SC). I doubt she wins SEC POY as she was voted in the pre-season.
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Best whiny post I've seen all season. We were in this game, except for the fact that we missed shots we were capable of making. Vic has a winning program, and this was a setback. We'll be back.
 
Moooooo said:
Here's my overall assessment. I held out a slight amount of hope that Texas could win since South Carolina lost one of their interior players in Ashlyn Watkins. But, I also thought we'd be in trouble if our 5 starters didn't show up offensively and no Laila Phelia available.

Vic wants to believe he can out-physical and out-athlete all his opponents. That works against a lot of teams. It will never work against teams like South Carolina, UConn, and LSU, to name a few. All those teams are just as physical and just as athletic. Those teams are just so much better than us offensively.

Until Vic puts an emphasis on offensive strategy and quality shooters, we will be limited. This South Carolina team reminds of some of Mulkey's teams at Baylor. Playing their own brand of physical, pound it inside basketball won't beat them is they were so good at it; the only way to beat them (like ISU and Oregon State did on occasion) was to out-shoot them, especially from the perimeter. Attempting five 3-point shots and making only one of them late by Preston was never gonna be enough.

In all our non-conference blowouts, Vic put so much emphasis on pounding the ball inside so Taylor and Kyla could get layup practice from 2-feet under the basket. That was never going to help against teams where we needed to be creative on offense and have our perimeter players trying to improve their confidence shooting the ball in actual games; those games should have also been used to run plays for the perimeter shooters. Didn't feel like we ran many plays today that stretched the defense.

We as fans on here always hate when opponents play zone defense against us, and so does Vic. Well, SC played man-to-man defense today all game and they ate our lunch time and time again. Holle can't create her own shot for the most part, and she wasn't left wide open maybe more than once. Lee also was guarded tightly and couldn't get her feet set to shoot more than 6 times the whole game.

Bottom line is that South Carolina is bigger, stronger, quicker and deeper than Texas at just about every position; Booker was potentially the only player who'd be a starter at SC and she has not been good in SEC play (8 points at OU; 3 points at home against Arkansas; and 7 points at SC). I doubt she wins SEC POY as she was voted in the pre-season.
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Good assessment. Early in the year blow outs it was almost boring watching them just pound the ball in when it was already a 40 point lead. I just don't understand why Booker isn't used to post up more?
 
CreakyHorn said:
Best whiny post I've seen all season. We were in this game, except for the fact that we missed shots we were capable of making. Vic has a winning program, and this was a setback. We'll be back.
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Keep telling yourself that. Vic has not adjusted to the modern game on offense. Staley has. Even Mulkey has.

Were never in this game; you must have been watching a different game.
 
WCBBNUT said:
I want to be more upset, but I’m not. We all saw it. We know we are capable of beating them. We tied them in the last two quarters. I don’t think our team has hit its ceiling yet. We lost 4 games last year but finished strong enough to be a one seed. We’ve lost to #2 and #3, both on the road. Again, I want to be more upset, but…
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I feel the same. Make a few layups and a couple of free throws and it's an entirely different ball game. We shot the ball horrendously... sh*t happens... onward and upward from here.
 
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Our poor outdated coach really has no business consistently coaching teams into the top 10 / top 5 year after year. The game has clearly left him behind :smokin:
 
Moooooo said:
Here's my overall assessment. I held out a slight amount of hope that Texas could win since South Carolina lost one of their interior players in Ashlyn Watkins. But, I also thought we'd be in trouble if our 5 starters didn't show up offensively and no Laila Phelia available.

Vic wants to believe he can out-physical and out-athlete all his opponents. That works against a lot of teams. It will never work against teams like South Carolina, UConn, and LSU, to name a few. All those teams are just as physical and just as athletic. Those teams are just so much better than us offensively.

Until Vic puts an emphasis on offensive strategy and quality shooters, we will be limited. This South Carolina team reminds of some of Mulkey's teams at Baylor. Playing their own brand of physical, pound it inside basketball won't beat them is they were so good at it; the only way to beat them (like ISU and Oregon State did on occasion) was to out-shoot them, especially from the perimeter. Attempting five 3-point shots and making only one of them late by Preston was never gonna be enough.

In all our non-conference blowouts, Vic put so much emphasis on pounding the ball inside so Taylor and Kyla could get layup practice from 2-feet under the basket. That was never going to help against teams where we needed to be creative on offense and have our perimeter players trying to improve their confidence shooting the ball in actual games; those games should have also been used to run plays for the perimeter shooters. Didn't feel like we ran many plays today that stretched the defense.

We as fans on here always hate when opponents play zone defense against us, and so does Vic. Well, SC played man-to-man defense today all game and they ate our lunch time and time again. Holle can't create her own shot for the most part, and she wasn't left wide open maybe more than once. Lee also was guarded tightly and couldn't get her feet set to shoot more than 6 times the whole game.

Bottom line is that South Carolina is bigger, stronger, quicker and deeper than Texas at just about every position; Booker was potentially the only player who'd be a starter at SC and she has not been good in SEC play (8 points at OU; 3 points at home against Arkansas; and 7 points at SC). I doubt she wins SEC POY as she was voted in the pre-season.
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I messed this up somehow. I don't think they are as superior to us as Moooooo does. Agreed we need to run some perimeter plays, and we tend to keep doing the same thing whether it is working or not. We completely stayed up with them in the second half. It was our ridiculous first half that did us in. I think we were taken by surprise at how quick they were, and were probably really tight about playing the great SC in Columbia. When Booker was so bad in her shooting, that threw everyone. The more we missed, the more we panicked. Of your 4 adjectives, they did look quicker and are deeper, but they are not bigger or stronger. Bigger and stronger than Oldacre? She is really great. I think we will probably beat them in Austin. Booker needs to get a grip, and I think she will.
 
Moooooo said:
I've agreed with most your takes in this thread up to this one. That is just the silliest thing in the world to even mention Sara Graves in this thread; she would have gotten eaten alive today by every South Carolina player she would have had to defend, and who would have been defending her.

It's too bad Laila Phelia isn't healthy; we needed offense while Booker was struggling, but we have no on the bench at her position who can supply that.
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It was my attempt at being facetious. Guess I failed.:(
 
JoeDallas said:
Bigger and stronger than Oldacre? She is really great. I think we will probably beat them in Austin. Booker needs to get a grip, and I think she will.
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I don't think you correctly read my comment; here it is again:

Bottom line is that South Carolina is bigger, stronger, quicker and deeper than Texas at just about every position
 
JoeDallas said:
I messed this up somehow. I don't think they are as superior to us as Moooooo does. Agreed we need to run some perimeter plays, and we tend to keep doing the same thing whether it is working or not. We completely stayed up with them in the second half. It was our ridiculous first half that did us in. I think we were taken by surprise at how quick they were, and were probably really tight about playing the great SC in Columbia. When Booker was so bad in her shooting, that threw everyone. The more we missed, the more we panicked. Of your 4 adjectives, they did look quicker and are deeper, but they are not bigger or stronger. Bigger and stronger than Oldacre? She is really great. I think we will probably beat them in Austin. Booker needs to get a grip, and I think she will.
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Moooooo said:
I don't think you correctly read my comment; here it is again:

Bottom line is that South Carolina is bigger, stronger, quicker and deeper than Texas at just about every position
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OK. You are suggesting that SC's players are just more athletic. Maybe. I don't know. They are extremely athletic no doubt. But Booker is pretty athletic, Rori is pretty darned quick. Shay is famous for being fast. To me, the main problem in this game was our shooting collapse in the first half.

I strongly agree with your point that in our blowout wins, we need to bring in guard play more and try to build our guard's confidence. They are not just there to throw it inside, but we need them to be looking for shots. A few more screens for them would be nice.
 
JoeDallas said:
OK. You are suggesting that SC's players are just more athletic. Maybe. I don't know. They are extremely athletic no doubt. But Booker is pretty athletic, Rori is pretty darned quick. Shay is famous for being fast. To me, the main problem in this game was our shooting collapse in the first half.

I strongly agree with your point that in our blowout wins, we need to bring in guard play more and try to build our guard's confidence. They are not just there to throw it inside, but we need them to be looking for shots. A few more screens for them would be nice.
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Can you really not see my key words "just about every position" which I bolded the second time? That means I acknowledge not every position. So, since you mentioned Kyla as being bigger than SC she and Taylor were the reason I didn't simply type "every position".
 
Hated to get beat that way but as others have mentioned we did a lot of things right. That many more shots at the basket is crazy.
Again, as others have mentioned, the real issue was our shooting percentage. Some of that was due to their defense but enough of that was self inflicted.
The good news is we get a rematch here in a month and plenty of tape to try to sort things out. Let's see what the staff and team can do to work a little pay-back magic in February.

So who's turn is it to shag balls for Maddy?
 
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