Texas Schools

[Sangre Naranjada]

Vocational vs basics. I'm a bit torn on this. I believe blue collar work is just as worthwhile as white collar so I'm not against vocational training per se, but it does seem to be a little out of hand in some instances. e.g. We have "flower arranging" as a career path in our HS.

Florists can make good money, between weddings and funerals.

Florists helpers? They won't make too much, but I can see it as a HS vocational path.

 

[guy4321]

I think this is wide spread. If you can't do, teach, is a truism for a reason.

And of course, it's a government job, so anything short of being a criminal is "good enough" to keep your job. Do some self-motivated people focus and work really hard to do a good job? Sure, but it's hard to keep that up if it isn't rewarded and is sometimes frowned upon for making others look bad.

Yes. I have seen a little bit into this. My wife was a teacher for about 6 months and had to quit because of the severe level of stress they put her under. They basically set her up to fail in about 3 or 4 different ways, then criticized her for leaving the way she did. At least the school she was in was very toxic, and that is coming from teachers who had been there for 10 years or more. We are still suffering consequences for that whole episode.

So is teaching an easy, cush government job or a challenging, demanding job??

 

[Monahorns]

So is teaching an easy, cush government job or a challenging, demanding job??

Depends on the person and place. I don't think being a government teacher is easy because they overweigh you in every way possible. I think teaching is challenging anyway depending on the behavior of the class and how many you have in a class.

At the same time I think we dump way too much money into government schools and some of that does go to the teachers. They get a healthy pension based on taking our money. They are paid 12 months for 9 months of work. Local government votes pay increases, they did in Round Rock, regardless of the economic situation.

So I talk out of both sides of my mouth about teaching. Most of family were teachers so I do have respect for the job. It is important. There are some very intelligent teachers who could do all kinds of things. There are teachers out there who are a waste of time.

 

[Mr. Deez]

So is teaching an easy, cush government job or a challenging, demanding job??

It can be both. My wife was a classroom teacher in Belton, Killeen, and Round Rock ISDs before she joined DoDEA and dragged my sorry *** away from the courtrooms of the Austin area to being a kept man in Portugal, Germany, and now the UK. She was very committed to her students and helped even her worst kids to make big improvements. She was great at her job and loved working directly with kids, but when she moved over to administration, she got a big raise and moved us to a better location. That should tell you something about the system.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Mrs. Sangre stayed in the classroom 26 years. She never wanted the raises that came with administrative work. She was and still is an awesome teacher.

After retirement she went to the nearest Catholic school and works as a teacher's aide, and pretty much anywhere they need her. They've already offered her a full teaching job (more than once, in fact) and she has turned them down cold. She's retired from classroom teaching, but not from the classroom, if that makes any sense.

 

[Horn6721]

Wow SN
Her Students were lucky to have her as was the State of Texas.
Thank her from us

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Wow SN
Her Students were lucky to have her as was the State of Texas.
Thank her from us

I'll give her a "special hug" tonight, but that's just from me.

If I remember, I'll try to mention you, but it won't be anywhere near associated with the hug time.

 

[Mr. Deez]

 

[Mr. Deez]

This Democrat has balls too big to fit through most doors.

 

[guy4321]

Thankfully not a union as Corey types.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Thankfully not a union as Corey types.

You're right. They aren't a union, because they can't collectively bargain on behalf of teachers.

 

[guy4321]

You're right. They aren't a union, because they can't collectively bargain on behalf of teachers.

Associations like that are useless. My wife was punched once by a 4th grader. That sounds like nothing, but it left a fist-sized bruise. The school was terrible so the admins did nothing. She contacted her teacher association who said, "That sucks. We don't handle that." I wonder though if a real teacher union was legal in Texas, would it give the same response?

 

[Horn6721]

guy
I bet it would.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Associations like that are useless. My wife was punched once by a 4th grader. That sounds like nothing, but it left a fist-sized bruise. The school was terrible so the admins did nothing. She contacted her teacher association who said, "That sucks. We don't handle that."

They do very little for individual teachers. They are primarily advocates for the teaching profession broadly and collectively and against the interests of parents, taxpayers, and students. They're a special interest group. Unless she gets sued (triggering their liability insurance), they aren't concerned with individual teachers.

I wonder though if a real teacher union was legal in Texas, would it give the same response?

It would depend on whom they pissed off and whose agenda was furthered by their actions. For example, if a white student punched a black or Hispanic teacher, they'd go to war over it. If a black or Hispanic student punched a white teacher, they'd likely do nothing.

 

[guy4321]

For example, if a white student punched a black or Hispanic teacher, they'd go to war over it. If a black or Hispanic student punched a white teacher, they'd likely do nothing.

I think the school would have the same response so such a teacher wouldn't have to go to a union.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I think the school would have the same response so such a teacher wouldn't have to go to a union.

I think the school would have the same response, which is why a white teacher getting attacked by a black student might go to her union. The school would do nothing about it, and because of that, she might try to get her union to go to bat for her. They wouldn't do anything for her.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

Associations like that are useless. My wife was punched once by a 4th grader. That sounds like nothing, but it left a fist-sized bruise. The school was terrible so the admins did nothing. She contacted her teacher association who said, "That sucks. We don't handle that." I wonder though if a real teacher union was legal in Texas, would it give the same response?

Shouting an amen here

2 yrs ago my wife was attacked from behind by a kid that wasn't even in her class. Knocked her down, stood over her, laughed and called her a *****.

Principal called for an ambulance, the whole 9 yards. Next day the same principal said it was an accident even though another teacher heard the comments the kid made and saw the whole thing .

 

[Mr. Deez]

Shouting an amen here

2 yrs ago my wife was attacked from behind by a kid that wasn't even in her class. Knocked her down, stood over her, laughed and called her a *****.

Principal called for an ambulance, the whole 9 yards. Next day the same principal said it was an accident even though another teacher heard the comments the kid made and saw the whole thing .

That principal and a lot of principals are more politician than they are administrator or leader. They're useless. That kid should have been expelled.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

That principal and a lot of principals are more politician than they are administrator or leader. They're useless. That kid should have been expelled.

Wife had a feeling the principal was instructed to sweep it under the rug. The principal saw she was barely conscious and dazed at the time. Disd. The next week another teacher was attacked in Richardson and she was told the same thing happened. Whitewashed

 

[Garmel]

Wife had a feeling the principal was instructed to sweep it under the rug. The principal saw she was barely conscious and dazed at the time. Disd. The next week another teacher was attacked in Richardson and she was told the same thing happened. Whitewashed

Were the students people of color?

 

[Horn6721]

Garm
What Yogi always says

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

Were the students people of color?

From Mexico, in my wife's case. Not sure about the Richardson attack

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

That principal and a lot of principals are more politician than they are administrator or leader. They're useless. That kid should have been expelled.

Disd like a lot of ISDs have their own police force. A police substation was literally down the street from the campus. I went in the police station to file a complaint to get the kid arrested since the isd was stone walling it. Cop said dallas pd couldn't act until the isd police turned in a case report, which never happened.

I talked to the campus cop, he wouldn’t let me see the video because "it was too grainy". His words. I pressed to see it anyway, he answered it was probably already deleted. Pressed further. He wouldn't budge. There was zero recourse . If I punched the campus cop guess who's going to jail? Not him

In this case a union would have benefitted the victim (teacher). It's gotten out of hand. My wife never went back to that isd, couldn't think straight for 6 weeks. Severe concussion .

 

[Monahorns]

Disd like a lot of ISDs have their own police force. A police substation was literally down the street from the campus. I went in the police station to file a complaint to get the kid arrested since the isd was stone walling it. Cop said dallas pd couldn't act until the isd police turned in a case report, which never happened.

I talked to the campus cop, he wouldn’t let me see the video because "it was too grainy". His words. I pressed to see it anyway, he answered it was probably already deleted. Pressed further. He wouldn't budge. There was zero recourse . If I punched the campus cop guess who's going to jail? Not him

In this case a union would have benefitted the victim (teacher). It's gotten out of hand. My wife never went back to that isd, couldn't think straight for 6 weeks. Severe concussion .

Where is @guy4321? He was seeing government school praises a couple of weeks ago.

 

[guy4321]

Where is @guy4321? He was seeing government school praises a couple of weeks ago.

I was just above and I was previously singing the praises of teachers not admins.

 

[Monahorns]

I was just above and I was previously singing the praises of teachers not admins.

I see those goal posts moving.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

Where is @guy4321? He was seeing government school praises a couple of weeks ago.

Not all ISDs are the same. My wife came out of retirement to teach again. Absolutely loves where she is. Signed on for another year, retiring (again) in spring 2025.

We don't need the paycheck (going straight into grand daughter's college fund) but you couldn't drag my wife away from her current school. Semi rural vs disd = huge difference

 

[Monahorns]

Not all ISDs are the same. My wife came out of retirement to teach again. Absolutely loves where she is. Signed on for another year, retiring (again) in spring 2025.

We don't need the paycheck (going straight into grand daughter's college fund) but you couldn't drag my wife away from her current school. Semi rural vs disd = huge difference

True. The cities are hell. I wonder what the main difference is between rural and urban schools.

 

[SabreHorn]

The same difference in the way large cities "elected officials" and small town governments work.

 

[Monahorns]

The same difference in the way large cities "elected officials" and small town governments work.

Huh?