Horn2RunAgain
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Which is what we do with our grand daughter, except it's a public school as well (damn good school system 30 minutes away). We're hardly the only ones in angelina and Nacogdoches county doing just that. Common here
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Which is what we do with our grand daughter, except it's a public school as well (damn good school system 30 minutes away). We're hardly the only ones in angelina and Nacogdoches county doing just that. Common here
Horn2RunAgain
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#2. I don't want that voucher (my taxes) funding a "private" school, many of which have agendas of their own that far exceed public schools. My ISD has school board meetings where voters can air their voices and it carries weight. Not so with private schools. You hand over tuition, stfu and step aside
I have no problems with private schools but they shouldn't be supported by (property) tax payer money. That's a discussion all by itself, but you're going to get major push back from non teachers on that.
You have far more leverage in a private school, because you can pull your money and leave.
It's easy to say this if you're in a small district that rejects rabid leftism and is still run by normal people. If you're in a big city or even a suburb where the district is run by a bunch of freaks, is full of corruption, does a crappy job educating your kids, and doesn't give two squirts of piss about you or your kid (since they're getting your money anyway), the option to leave is a lot more appealing.
Honestly, I don't see why a compromise can't be worked out that protects rural districts while giving kids in the worst schools a ticket out.
Horn2RunAgain
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I agree with 90% of what you say but when it comes to a parent sending their kids to a private school without paying for it (out of their own pocket), I have some real issues there. So, parents A pay 10k a year to send their kid there while parents B send three kids and don't pay more than parent A? Uh uh.
Just be aware there are charter schools in metro areas that will accept kids from anywhere. They're free, no voucher needed. Some are bad (there are REALLY bad private schools also, no teacher cert is required), but there are some very good charter schools in dallas, even in the cliff.
Run,
I have two grown children, one went to public school, the other to private school.
FYI - big city private school tuition tops $20,000/year, with some over $30,000. The "good" private schools offer far more to the student in every area than public schools. Unfortunately, it is my opinion that only about 10% of private schools are worth the money.
All that said, it pisses me off that I pay huge school taxes for an inferior product that I'm not benefiting from.
I have two grown children, one went to public school, the other to private school.
FYI - big city private school tuition tops $20,000/year, with some over $30,000. The "good" private schools offer far more to the student in every area than public schools. Unfortunately, it is my opinion that only about 10% of private schools are worth the money.
All that said, it pisses me off that I pay huge school taxes for an inferior product that I'm not benefiting from.
The argument you're making is applicable to any government-backed guarantee of education. We're paying money to send other families's kids to school, and the allocations of the burdens and benefits aren't fair. That's true with a voucher program, and it's true without. However, if I have to kick in that money, I'd rather kids stuck in an academically crappy school that drills leftist ******** into them have a choice to use that same money to go to a school that has better priorities. I really don't see how anyone who isn't self-interested in the current government monopoly can have a problem with that.
Monahorns
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The government has a right to take your money by force and teach your kids whatever they want I guess. School boards don't listen to parents they put them in jail for disagreeing. Thanks for supporting this evil system.
Horn2RunAgain
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Name me one person in Texas that was sent to jail for disagreeing with a school board
Sabre, my daughter teaches at a private school in Dallas. You need to bump that $20,000 figure to $40,000. (They pay $22k for our grandson to attend and that is with a 50% staff discount).
Horn2RunAgain
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https://www.kxan.com/news/2-men-arrested-in-connection-to-disrupted-round-rock-isd-board-meeting/
Ok so I wasted 54 minutes of my life watching, listening to the meeting in question.
#1. Story doesn't know when to stfu. Does he act like that at work? At the dinner table? "Let the people in. Communists. Communists!". Just give him his vagina back and move on. He spent 12 hours in jail. While I'm not in favor of jailing people for disruption, it was clear his whines would be ignored in the end. I have the same sentiment he has, but I won't embarass myself or my family like that.
#2. There are reasons a lot of us don't want to live anywhere near Austin nowadays. The school board is example #237,456. Weir and Feller are low functioning individuals not qualified/ capable of working outside education. My bet is most teachers hate them
#3. Every one on camera in that 54 minutes are *******. Every single one. Shitting their pants over covid, few were over 40yo. Grow the fk up
#4. That board meeting was like none that I've gone to. Not even close. Again, if you live in that area you can expect ********* for education
#5. I read where the RR liberal board was strengthened, not weakened in the 2022 elections. Way to go, dumbass voters. You got what you voted for. Enjoy.
I'm liking deep east Texas more and more everyday
Considering a parent has a choice of home school or private school, I wouldn't use the phrase teach your kids whatever [the government] wants.
I'm usually an institutionalist and don't think disrupting the system is the right approach to fixing bad policy. I make an exception for public education for three reasons. First, the system is set up to encourage entrenchment. Local school boards are elected in nonpartisan elections and often at weird times (not on the normal election date). This means candidates can easily ******** the public about their beliefs, and it means turnout for their election will be laughably low. Few vote, and even fewer are remotely informed. All of this makes bringing about change extremely difficult and even more difficult to maintain.
Second, the system had a chance to accept a much smaller voucher program. Originally, the idea was for a pilot program that only went to low-income students in low-performing schools. Rather than accept that extremely modest and limited program, the usual suspects crapped their pants and acted in bad faith. They weren't going to accept any sort of meaningful reform without it being shoved down their throats.
Finally, the victims of public school failure aren't adults that I don't mind telling to suck it up and get over it. The victims are children who are totally innocent in the matter. They count on their parents and school system to look out for them, and for far too long, it hasn't. It isn't fair to them, and they deserve better.
Second, the system had a chance to accept a much smaller voucher program. Originally, the idea was for a pilot program that only went to low-income students in low-performing schools. Rather than accept that extremely modest and limited program, the usual suspects crapped their pants and acted in bad faith. They weren't going to accept any sort of meaningful reform without it being shoved down their throats.
Finally, the victims of public school failure aren't adults that I don't mind telling to suck it up and get over it. The victims are children who are totally innocent in the matter. They count on their parents and school system to look out for them, and for far too long, it hasn't. It isn't fair to them, and they deserve better.
Horn2RunAgain
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Shitcan the Republicans who voted down school choice. Most of them are from solid red districts. We won't lose the seats.
i don't know if this is as much power as it seems. If you're going to a 'great' private school and run into something you don't like, are you going to pull the kid for a worse private school or public? If you're going to a 'bad' private school and run into something you don't like, uh, why were you sending your kid to a bad private school to begin with??
Monahorns
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I'm saying the public schools do that. There are options of course but those options are very difficult for most because of the vast amounts of money the government takes from everyone.
Monahorns
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This. Absolutely.
That's like telling people who didn't like Roe v. Wade to just amend the Constitution rather than breaking stare decisis and overturning it. It's possible, but the systemic challenges of doing so make it a colossal and almost insurmountable challenge. In the meantime, children and the taxpayer are getting screwed.
R2 is right.
Actually for local elections R2 is exactly right Just vote.
I do a lot of block walking even for local elections. When you talk to people and explain how important voting even for dog catcher is
and with all the coverage on the power school boards have on what your kids are learning people get it and are more likely to vote
Actually for local elections R2 is exactly right Just vote.
I do a lot of block walking even for local elections. When you talk to people and explain how important voting even for dog catcher is
and with all the coverage on the power school boards have on what your kids are learning people get it and are more likely to vote
Horn2RunAgain
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Nope. Just vote.
Monahorns
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Horn2RunAgain
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Ok Boomer.
No sweat junior
Agree. Everybody should vote in school board elections. That isn't really the point. The point is whether or not voting alone will fix the problem, especially when the trustees are "nonpartisan" and elected at weird times to suppress informed voting and turnout. We're talking about a hyper-corrupt, money-wasting government monopoly.
If voting could fix it, the NHS would be the best healthcare system in the world. Voter turnout is high, and it still sucks, because socialist monopolies suck even when they're not corrupt. It's true in healthcare, and it's just as true with education.
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Monahorns
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It's almost like government can't be trusted to serve people but can be trusted to serve itself.
Always. Well serve big Corporate, which can be argued is the same thing.
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