Tesla

Dionysus said:
Point me to the data on Teslas requiring a battery replacement in this, or any, time frame
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Per this site Tesla warranties the batteries to 8yrs/100k miles with a minimum 70% retention. If you say the range is 300 miles that gets you 210 mile range up to 8 years.

Of course Tesla claims you should get 300,000 to 5,000 miles out of the batteries which conservatively should last you 20 years.

New Vehicle Limited Warranty: Battery & Unit
All Tesla cars are covered with the “New Vehicle Limited Warranty,” which includes protection on the battery and unit within the following periods:

  • Model 3 Standard or Standard Range Plus – 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
  • Model 3 Long Range or Performance – 8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, with a minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
  • Model Y Standard or Standard Range Plus – 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, with a minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
  • Model Y Long Range or Performance – 8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, with a minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
  • Model S – 8 years or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first, with a minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
  • Model X – 8 years or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first, with a minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
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Q: if you run the battery down to completely dead, can you still recharge it, or do you have to get a new battery?
 
Chop said:
Q: if you run the battery down to completely dead, can you still recharge it, or do you have to get a new battery?
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I don't see anyone on the internet complaining that they ran the batteries to zero and the batteries are now dead. Battery management software in the vehicle would likely prevent the Li battery problem of cells dying because they ran to zero.
 
mb227 said:
100K gets me and many others less than five years
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We're talking about different circumstances/use cases - EVs are not for you and others with similar needs.

Nothing to squabble over anyway. EV adoption is happening and it should work well for a lot of folks.

Chop said:
Q: if you run the battery down to completely dead, can you still recharge it, or do you have to get a new battery?
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Not sure but I think I read somewhere that the battery software will limit its discharging to prevent something like this.
 
mb227 said:
How long will my EV battery last? Here’s what to know

100K gets me and many others less than five years...much less if it was the only vehicle.
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The batteries aren't "dead" at 100k but simply out of warranty. Your scenario assumes 54+ miles per day. Even at 70% of battery retention you'd have >200 miles of range.

With that said, EV aren't for everyone. They are handy for short commuter vehicles and suburbia. If I lived in Nebraska and commuted down large expanses of interstates across the State it may not be as practical, yet. Give it a few more years and the charging options will be better.
 
Seattle Husker said:
The batteries aren't "dead" at 100k but simply out of warranty. Your scenario assumes 54+ miles per day. Even at 70% of battery retention you'd have >200 miles of range.

With that said, EV aren't for everyone. They are handy for short commuter vehicles and suburbia. If I lived in Nebraska and commuted down large expanses of interstates across the State it may not be as practical, yet. Give it a few more years and the charging options will be better.
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Do you realize some of us have multiple trips per week that are well over 300 miles? I've just finished paying off the F-type in roughly four years (payment made the same day Google sent me the four years ago today photo of delivery). That one has 70K miles. Meanwhile, two of the other vehicles have ALSO seen upwards of 70K miles in the same window...to say nothing of what has been put on others in the garage.

It is beyond time for some on the left to finally admit that the EV nonsense is NOT the be-all, end-all that they make them out to be. If they work for people who don't ever go anywhere, so be it. But no tax credits for those people to acquire them and no tax dollars to build the charging stations. Just as with Amtrak, if this stuff was truly workable and profitable, there would have been tons of entrants into the market...instead, we see the EV equivalent of Solyndra, looking for handouts and tax rebates.
 
mb227 said:
Do you realize some of us have multiple trips per week that are well over 300 miles? I've just finished paying off the F-type in roughly four years (payment made the same day Google sent me the four years ago today photo of delivery). That one has 70K miles. Meanwhile, two of the other vehicles have ALSO seen upwards of 70K miles in the same window...to say nothing of what has been put on others in the garage.

It is beyond time for some on the left to finally admit that the EV nonsense is NOT the be-all, end-all that they make them out to be. If they work for people who don't ever go anywhere, so be it. But no tax credits for those people to acquire them and no tax dollars to build the charging stations. Just as with Amtrak, if this stuff was truly workable and profitable, there would have been tons of entrants into the market...instead, we see the EV equivalent of Solyndra, looking for handouts and tax rebates.
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We get it. EV is not a fit currently for you. Move on. Nobody on this thread has said EV works for everyone.

I do take issue with the complaints about tax dollars and charging stations. Do you think all gas stations appeared organically? No fossil fuels have ever been subsidized (exploration, refining or transport)?

Seattle of course has a bias towards EV but nearly every parking garage now has EV Charging stations by vendors other than Tesla. Of course for Washington State nearly 60% of all energy production is from renewable sources. That combines with typically close commuting and EVs make sense, financially and environmentally.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Of course for Washington State nearly 60% of all energy production is from renewable sources.
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The Northwest, and esp. British Columbia gets an enormous amount of their power from hydroelectric dams--a renewable source. There's plenty of water out there with plenty of elevation change--plenty of more dams to be built. I would expect electricity to be cheaper than average up there, possibly a lot cheaper. EVs might work reasonably well in Seattle and the surrounding area with the current technology and infrastructure (probably want to add some more charging stations). South and East of there, not yet. Maybe not for a long time. It gets pretty spread out pretty quick.
 
Chop said:
The Northwest, and esp. British Columbia gets an enormous amount of their power from hydroelectric dams--a renewable source. There's plenty of water out there with plenty of elevation change--plenty of more dams to be built. I would expect electricity to be cheaper than average up there, possibly a lot cheaper. EVs might work reasonably well in Seattle and the surrounding area with the current technology and infrastructure (probably want to add some more charging stations). South and East of there, not yet. Maybe not for a long time. It gets pretty spread out pretty quick.
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Yes, the Columbia river is a HUGE source of the WA's electricity (~50%). Not sure how our costs are relative to other states. I have seen the proliferation of charging stations beyond the metro/suburban areas, into Eastern WA. Elllensberg, just East of the Cascades has a large Tesla charging station. They are less available in smaller/rural towns. For example, in Pullman, WA where WSU is located I'm not certain I've seen a charging station.
 
Curious...who here owns a Tesla?

I had a reservation on a Model 3 for my wife but ended up cancelling because she preferred a Jeep Wrangler. I drove a Model S but opted for a German sports car instead which was slightly cheaper a few years back. The cars are extremely sexy, the technology is amazing, especially self-driving, although the giant screen in the dashboard was a tad offputting.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Congrats. Were your surprised at the waiting period after plunking your money down?
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Not really because I've been following the company closely for a while and I knew that demand was high and production still constrained while they finish out the Austin and Berlin factories.
 
"In a survey of consumers, Cox Automotive (the parent company to Autotrader) found that potential EV buyers have reservations over battery life and the costs associated with battery replacement. Of those considering an electric car purchase, 50% view the average battery life at 100,000 miles or more, and 46% believe average battery life lasts 65,000 miles or less."

So... the source of a battery lasting for 100K miles was... a survey of beliefs?

mb227 said:
Do you realize some of us have multiple trips per week that are well over 300 miles? I've just finished paying off the F-type in roughly four years (payment made the same day Google sent me the four years ago today photo of delivery). That one has 70K miles. Meanwhile, two of the other vehicles have ALSO seen upwards of 70K miles in the same window...to say nothing of what has been put on others in the garage.

It is beyond time for some on the left to finally admit that the EV nonsense is NOT the be-all, end-all that they make them out to be. If they work for people who don't ever go anywhere, so be it. But no tax credits for those people to acquire them and no tax dollars to build the charging stations. Just as with Amtrak, if this stuff was truly workable and profitable, there would have been tons of entrants into the market...instead, we see the EV equivalent of Solyndra, looking for handouts and tax rebates.
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I'd say if you have multiple trips per week that are well over 300 miles, you're not the norm. Long-haul truckers go about 600/day, so you're basically halfway there. But you're exactly the kind of person who should want innovations to happen in the near future. The fact that you claim that people who "only" drive 200 mi/day as individuals who "don't ever go anywhere" shows your lens.
 
mb227 said:
It is beyond time for some on the left to finally admit that the EV nonsense is NOT the be-all, end-all that they make them out to be.
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The whole electric car thing is a vast liberal conspiracy to distribute taxpayer money to tree-hugging industrialist billionaire tweeters
Me, I'll have the usual 10W-40 on the rocks and keep 'em coming
 
I had a Tesla Model Y pull up next to me at a light on Sat. I was in the left lane, him in the right and I needed to turn right in a block so it was either out accelerate or get him to accelerate enough to leave space behind him.

When I saw the dual motor I knew I didn't have a chance, and the MB I had before wouldn't even have a chance. So I accelerated kinda hard to see what he would do and of course he had to show off and blow past me, which is what I wanted anyway so I could turn right. Regardless of how fast it may be, I couldn't help but think how ugly and cheap looking it was. Sorry Dion, but that's just my opinion.
 
I think EVs will come of age. I just want it to be a result of the free market Not forced by taxpayer dollars.
There is a HUGE difference between tax incentives given to oil/gas companies
And the billions included in the infrastructure bill for charging stations and retooling.
 
Horn6721 said:
I think EVs will come of age. I just want it to be a result of the free market Not forced by taxpayer dollars.
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The rest of the worlds industrialized countries are heading there with us or without us. We can either lead or follow.

Horn6721 said:
There is a HUGE difference between tax incentives given to oil/gas companies
And the billions included in the infrastructure bill for charging stations and retooling
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How so? You do realize nearly every local refinery startup in the US was subsidized to build the supply infrastructure for every gas station. It's not just exploration that we subsidize.
 
Driver 8 said:
The whole electric car thing is a vast liberal conspiracy to distribute taxpayer money to tree-hugging industrialist billionaire tweeters
Me, I'll have the usual 10W-40 on the rocks and keep 'em coming
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When the federal government has to make tax credits in the multiple thousands available to get people to buy them, there is a problem. And much of the masses STILL won't be able to afford them given the constant whining of poverty...
 
Tesla’s new Berlin-Brandenburg Gigafactory is officially open and delivering its first vehicles to customers today. Austin should be doing the same very soon. This is the company’s first European production facility.

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Speaking of Tesla and Elon, I have been on a waiting list for starlink internet for over a year. I was supposed to get it by December then it got pushed to mid this year. Yesterday I got an email stating my service price will increase due to rising expenses related to inflation and gas prices.

This is absolutely the first time I've gotten a rate hike on something I don't even have. This is the world we live in. If someone here has twitter please tweet at Elon to do better for me.
 
Vol Horn 4 Life said:
Speaking of Tesla and Elon, I have been on a waiting list for starlink internet for over a year. I was supposed to get it by December then it got pushed to mid this year. Yesterday I got an email stating my service price will increase due to rising expenses related to inflation and gas prices.

This is absolutely the first time I've gotten a rate hike on something I don't even have. This is the world we live in. If someone here has twitter please tweet at Elon to do better for me.
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Wait...you are paying for something you don't even HAVE yet?
 
mb227 said:
AT least they didn't trot out the 'prices will go up because of the assistance we provided in Ukraine by giving them your equipment' line...
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Yeah, I got a little irritated at that too. I've been waiting so long and now all the equipment went to the Ukraine. So now I have to pay an extra $50 ($550) for the equipment and $11 more a month (from $99 to $110) when it does ship to me.
 
3-for-1 TSLA stock split today (Aug 24) after markets close.

They did a 5-for-1 split two years ago in August 2020.
 
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