TCU Joins Big 12

It's about time. Not one bit worried about TCU filing up their stadium when we play them. We will buy the tickets if the froggy does buy them and we will treat that like a ho me game in the best market for HS football recruits.

They will bring quailty football over aggy sqeezing their nuts tradition.
 
More recent success than aggy - minus moral victories - so good swap.
Not the best but at this point, not a bad option.
 
So you men are telling me that TCU with its 35,500 fans is an upgrade to Texas A&M and its 85,000 fans?

TCU, not a member of the AAU, is an upgrade to Texas A&M, a member of the AAU?

TCU, a no-draw on TV is an upgrade to Texas A&M, a significant draw on TV?

TCU, a team that will subtract from Texas' take in television revenue is an upgrade to Texas A&M, a team that adds to Big 12 television revenue?

I love you all, gentlemen, even if you are completely delusional. We are stricken with football myopia, and many in our fanbase are acting like the aggy fanbase. TCU is an "upgrade" to the aggy?

Soon, there will be Aggies making up jokes about Longhorns because our conference is swiftly becoming a big, fat joke conference.

Futhermore, if Texas thinks it's going to recruit better with TCU in the "New SWC" than Texas A&M in the SEC, then Aggie has another joke for us in a couple of years when they go all Virginia Tech on us.

Texas v. Texas A&M to be replaced with Texas v. TCU and that's somehow an upgrade. Wow. Just wow.

BTW, expect TCU to lose to Texas and OU with great consistency in the very near future, which means TCU goes right back into college football oblivion. Yet, Texas will be married to them as long as Texas remains a part of the "nSWC".

Let's go ahead and add Houston, Rice, and SMU, I mean, why not? The addition of TCU is the beginning of the decline of The University of Texas (and Oklahoma) if we stay in this configuration.

End rant.

Actually, all this means is Texas is dumping out of the "nSWC" after football season is over. Powers has been empowered, lest I forget. I feel better already.
 
I see XOVER beat me to the punch. Incidentally, can you explain this quote:

"Actually, all this means is Texas is dumping out of the "nSWC" after football season is over. Powers has been empowered, lest I forget."

If we are signing over our TV rights to the Big 12 for 6+ years in order to shore it up and add new members like (ugh) TCU, how exactly does powers "dump" the nSWC? Regrettably I think we are now chained to this sinking wreck.
 
I agree with XOVER and that this is definitely NOT AN UPGRADE ! I'm disappointed in this . Granted the Big XII wasn't gonna lure Notre Dame , so there was slim pickins out there.

I'm hoping that the Big XII does go to 12 teams . But hopefully SMU and/or UH won't be part of that .

Having said that, I just want this done with . I'm getting tired of all of this re-alignment crap and just want the league to be stable and move on .
 
All valid points about school size, AAU, etc; however, I wouldn't doubt if TCU was at least as good TV draw as aggy the last 10 years. Now that won't always be the case but imagine TCU with a higher athletic budget and Patterson staying there indefinitely (why would he leave now?). Now compare that to a 5-7 aggy in the SEC...
 
XOVER,

You can't compare much of that with A&M playing in the Big 12 and TCU not. Just like it's not fair to A&M to say TCU has earned more than A&M in the post season with the two BCS games alone. It's got to get to the point that it's not just about the money only. The excitement will come within the state of Texas and A&M will be on the outside of that.

What the hell do you suggest? The Big10 sucks and America is fleeing to the south. The north is goiing to the direction of how Detroit has become. Pac? No, SEC? No. Building the Big 12 or going Indy are the only two options. We are not keeping who we have now, who do you suggest we rob from another conference. Think about it, whoever we get will be much better than what they were. It will be great to have another road game in the DFW market. I'd add SMU to. We can't go out and get other UT's and OU because they don't exist.. Whoever we get has downside. You tell me teams you know we can get that will be better geographically than the Texas schools. We need to corner every bit of the Texas market and sqeezing the Aggies and the SEC out.

Besides, I trust who's left in the Big 12 to do what's best for the Big 12 over your opinion. They aren't going to add TCU if it's not a good decision. I'm 100% certain they have did much more research on adding TCU than you have.
 
Well... A solid football and Baseball addition for sure. Not sure if it was the best addition for Television Contracts but we shall see. The one positive is that recruiting just got tougher for A&M in the DWFW area. I like the addition because it builds on a solid foundation of Texas & OU. TCU has had great seasons as of late and been very competitive.
 
Great news. Welcome to the Big 12 TCU and I can't wait to see the Horns come to Fort Worth (or Arlington) every two years!
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I agree with everything XOVER said. This is not an upgrade.

I know a lot of people who grew up with the SWC miss it and would love to revive it, but we can't forget why it fell apart in the first place. SMU and A&M's institutionalized cheating was part of it, but there were other factors too - like the dwindling fan bases at the little church schools and the compartmentalized geographic footprint.

Yeah, I'm happy the Big 12 is finally adding instead of subtracting and the Horny Toad mascot reminds me of Texas of yester year.

But I sure hope the next expansion team bring a bit more to the table.
 
Hope they add BYU (bigger following) and one other to get a championship game back. 20-25M for a championship game helps offset potential lower TV money for small schools.
 
I think TCU is a great addition. They are down this year (although their previous qb is starting in the nfl) but have produced solid football teams during Gary Patterson's tenure. I'll enjoy a game at Amon Carter every other year. No, they probably arent the strongest TV draw out there but who better is asking to come here?

I still hope BYU and another bring us back to 12.
 
Please stop with the 2nd tier conference crap. Why does everyone so readily drink the SEC kool-aid? Granted, winning the last 5 MNC is very impressive but we are comparing conferences to conferences not the top two to three schools compared to other conferences top two to three. Even at that, given it appears Texas is back on the right track, I would put OU and UT against the top two of any conference.

Currently, in both the AP and Coaches polls, and taking aTm out of the mix, the BIg 12 has 6 out of its 9 schools ranked in the top 30 where as the SEC as 6 out of its 12. If you put aTm in the SEC this year and add TCU to the big 12 in the current polls it would be Big 12 has 7 out of 10 in the top 30 and the SEC has 7 out of 13, I don't agree that the Big 12 now or with the addition of TCU is a 2nd tier conference.
 
I contend, Zona Horn, that Texas is "pulling the plug" specifically by not opposing the addition of TCU.

In order to leave the B12, Texas wants to make sure Texas Tech, Baylor, and the others have a "conference" to be in. Preferably an AQ conference, at least when Texas leaves.

Texas opposed TCU until just a few days before it became pretty obvious Missouri really might leave. Then, suddenly, Neinas announced "the Texas schools" {read: UT} dropped opposition to TCU. Then Missouri made its announcement this past Tuesday.

Texas failed to take Tech with it to the ACC. Texas failed to take Tech, OSU, and OU with it to the PAC. Now Texas is simply allowing the B12 repopulate itself as quickly as possible with "whoever" so that in the off-season, Texas can leave TT, OSU, and OU on their own in a AQ functioning conference.

Texas doesn't give a crap who is added, just get folks added.

Texas will soon be gone. Give it to the off-season.

It makes absolutely no sense that Texas is going back to a SWC-style configuration that will bite deeply into Texas' television revenue.
 
Zona Horn: Regarding your comment about the "Oklahoma handcuffs": The way that proposition was stated, it becomes effective (a) when all Big 12 schools, including Missouri, agree to it, and (b) when each school individually affirms it. That is, what was passed was a B12 BOR rule that has to be affirmed by all schools.

There are two "outs" here. First, the BOR "Oklahoma handcuffs" assumed Missouri -- a very important school and state -- would be part of the deal. In fact, it was crafted for the very purpose of inducing Missouri to stay in the conference and not flee to the SEC.

Second, each individual school must still sign the B12 BOR contract. No one has signed anything yet.

Put simply, I don't think Texas will sign the "Oklahoma handcuffs" now that Missouri is likely gone. If Missouri leaves, then I think Texas just refuses to sign the contract, saying "changed circumstances."

Look, it's not just Texas here. OU people cannot be thrilled with the addition of a crappy TCU even if OU is tied to OSU.

If Texas does sign the contract even with Missouri gone, even with TCU in, then I'm wrong about Texas leaving. In that case, how screwed is Texas? I am absolutely mortified to be a conference that includes TCU. Everyone else will be, too, in about 5 years.

You know what? We're not dumb. DeLoss Dodds has been at Texas the whole way through the end of the SWC, and the reasons for the breakup of the SWC. Therefore, I just don't think TCU is part of Texas' short-term (certainly not long-term) plan.
 
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