Never expected any good examples really, did you?
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I agree with that assessment. But, do you notice how many players transfer out of those programs every season? That's the price teams pay when not spreading minutes among their roster. Then again, when your 5 starters are better than the opponents, and they don't tire or get into foul trouble, there's no reason to go to your bench and substitute liberally.
That's just not true. Those of us with good memories have seen Lashann get down on herself (body language, head droop) each season when she would miss an easy layup; because of that, she would be slow getting back on defense which resulted in the other team scoring. She has a hard time forgetting the "mistake" and getting her head back in the game as play moves forward. That is a legitimate and expected reason for a head coach to pull a player.
As a fifth year senior, Lashann is still not 100% recovered from her knee injury, IMO. We've seen her tumble to the floor several times this season, and the refs have stopped play due to her not getting up from the floor quickly. Perhaps our head coach is more concerned with her well-being and physical health and knows that she has to monitor and limit Lashann's minutes and exertion on the court.
Tells me everything I need to know.
If you did some actual research first before posting, your posts wouldn't have so many incorrect "facts". But keep going as it's pure comedy to those of us with good memories.
"Meanwhile, we have a game to win tomorrow night!"
Do you know what a "5 year span" encompasses? Nah, you just prefer taking my comments out of context.
That Final Four was followed up by an upset loss in the Sweet 16 (as the #1 overall national seed), and then an upset loss in the round of 32 in Dallas.
No matter what happened in the years leading up to it or after... in my book a 5-year span that includes three championships, two sweet sixteens and a final four appearance trumps three sweet sixteens and an elite eight. But that’s my book. I respect you have your own book.
Memories may be long but they can also be selective. I’ve been selective about Karen for a few years, but this season it’s hard to look past some of the more obvious problems. Even TV sports announcers as of late have commented that we are too talented for our current record. I believe that’s been true for the last three years.
In the meantime we have a game tomorrow and if Karen gets another win, she’s one win closer to returning to the 40 acres next year.
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The revolving door (rapid fire substitutions over and over), is obvious to any fan who pays even the slightest bit of attention. It's a trademark of Aston, and has been since she got here. If you can't see and comprehend simple math, I highly doubt that even a remedial online math course could help you.
Still no specific examples huh? But it so obvious.
I'm not a tutor, nor do I think one could help you if you can't COUNT and use simple math....
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I wrote a couple of pages ago that Karen can't win with the fans as far as subbing goes (which is true). But I basically agree with everyone else that I don't understand her thinking on subbing. The year we had Patterson on the bench, she did look bad every time she came in, but she probably needed more time anyway, just to find a way for her to get comfortable enough for the baskets to start going in. We knew the talent had to be there, and sure enough evidently it is at U of K. It may have been a power struggle between her and KA over defense. Who knows?
Lashann has had a weird year. She has made more poor choices and thrown up more clunkers than in the past, but NONETHELESS, she is still one of our very most talented players who can do wonders on the court. I'm not going to check the stats, but I would say she has gotten far less minutes than you would expect from a great senior, definitely far less than Sug. (Not that I would want Sug to come out.) Maybe it has to do with her leg? I don't really think so, but don't know. I've always thought Lashann's confidence was a big factor, and your confidence doesn't go up when you get pulled every few minutes.
I agree, Charli should almost never leave the court. The whole argument that the players get tired and need to be spelled could sometimes be true, but that can't explain Karen's subbing. Often they've only been in the game about 30 seconds when they come out. Look at UConn, whose players virtually never come out, and seem to still have plenty of energy.
I also wrote that, IMO, if we have a few more good games (or halves) like TCU, Karen is going to remain our coach. That's just my guess. She has an overall good record, brought us up from where we were to some sweet sixteens, and an elite eight, plus THIS ISN'T FOOTBALL. There are not enough people who care to demand a change. Our basketball coaches get a pretty long leash. With another good game or two, Shaka may pull it out, too.
Lashann has had a weird year. She has made more poor choices and thrown up more clunkers than in the past, but NONETHELESS, she is still one of our very most talented players who can do wonders on the court. I'm not going to check the stats, but I would say she has gotten far less minutes than you would expect from a great senior, definitely far less than Sug. (Not that I would want Sug to come out.) Maybe it has to do with her leg? I don't really think so, but don't know. I've always thought Lashann's confidence was a big factor, and your confidence doesn't go up when you get pulled every few minutes.
I agree, Charli should almost never leave the court. The whole argument that the players get tired and need to be spelled could sometimes be true, but that can't explain Karen's subbing. Often they've only been in the game about 30 seconds when they come out. Look at UConn, whose players virtually never come out, and seem to still have plenty of energy.
I also wrote that, IMO, if we have a few more good games (or halves) like TCU, Karen is going to remain our coach. That's just my guess. She has an overall good record, brought us up from where we were to some sweet sixteens, and an elite eight, plus THIS ISN'T FOOTBALL. There are not enough people who care to demand a change. Our basketball coaches get a pretty long leash. With another good game or two, Shaka may pull it out, too.
I agree with a lot of what you said. I don't think any of us understand the substitution patterns/decisions, but they are for different reasons per player, IMO.
Sometimes players are subbed out because they are getting beat on defense. Sometimes players are subbed out because they are being careless with the basketball and having turnovers (you know, what we all complain about the most).
Sometimes players are subbed out due to foul problems.
Sometimes players are fatigued at certain points in the game.
Anyone remember back in late 80's when Jody would pull Lyssa McBride almost seconds after being subbed in? I never understood it; but it happened over and over. Can't recall if it was due to a quick foul, or her making a bad play.
As far as Karen returning, I'm not sure she wants to return; perhaps that's the reason why there has been no contract extension. If she does want to return, CDC is not doing her any favors for the future by going silent on her possible extension.
Shaka has 2-3 years remaining on his guaranteed contract; Karen has only months remaining on her contract; so, completely different situations as one costs Texas a lot of money to fire their coach, the other involves no additional cost as the contract would just expire (like Connie Clark's did).
Right. We fans sometimes make wrong assumptions. A number of people have suggested that Lashann has poor body language after she makes a mistake or misses a shot because she expects to be taken out of the game. The situation may be (Aston does not share with me -
)reversed -- Lashann gets taken out because she loses her confidence and allows one or two bad plays to affect the next play. Coaches have talked about Lashann's tendency to get down on herself as a challenge for Lashann. In contrast, Aston talks a lot about Celeste having the ability, unusual for a freshman, to go play to play. In other words, when Celeste has a bad result on a play, she does not let that affect the next play. She continues to play with aggression and confidence.Could be true (Lashann coming out because she loses confidence, which may affect the next play). But it's hard to see how going to the bench is going to restore her confidence. When you were good enough to get many minutes as a freshman, and to now to be treated like perhaps the sixth best player on the team … that may be Karen's logic, but I question if it is correct. I would think leaving her in and giving her time to settle in and do something good would be more effective, but KA knows these players and I don't.
Top scorer in season opener but what do I know? All we can do is guess, assume, or make sh*t up!
Thank you, a good break down on substitutions for all the arm chair coaches.
Lol. We understand small, Arthur.
It’s easy to explain the obvious reasons why coaches use substitutions. You’ve yet to explain why Karen uses them exceedingly more than other coaches. After all , that’s what the disagreement is about.
No, the disagreement was about SPECIFIC examples and you and the other fantasy coaches couldn’t come up with any.
Again you avoid the question just like you avoided the answers. Have a good day. I had rather hoped to discuss with someone who actually understands the game.
The irony.
And, most of us at least understand the difference between which of our players are "shooters", and which ones are "slashers" . . .
And, most of us at least understand the difference between which of our players are "shooters", and which ones are "slashers" . . .
You are proving my point. You have no idea what a slasher does. Merely what they look like when they are doing it. Lol
Keep trying to convince others on here that Tasia Foman, Lashann Higgs, and Jordan Hosey came with a reputation for being "highly recruited shooters". Not one single poster has agreed with you. Go back and check my reply to your silliness; you'll see plain as day all the posters who agree with me, and thus disagree with your "analysis" on those players.
Keep trying to convince others on here that Tasia Foman, Lashann Higgs, and Jordan Hosey came with a reputation for being "highly recruited shooters". Not one single poster has agreed with you. Go back and check my reply to your silliness; you'll see plain as day all the posters who agree with me, and thus disagree with your "analysis" on those players.
So let me see if I can get this straight. In a discussion about Karen’s alleged excessive substitutions, I was asked to give examples. I gave several. Some from this season. Some from past. Some general/anecdotal in nature and some very specific. In referencing past players I used the term shooters. You see those same players as slashers meaning their shots are primarily going to come at closer proximity to the basket or even from the foul line as they are more likely to get fouled as they slash their way to the basket to make their shots.
OK. Sure. You win. Karen does not substitute too often.
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