TCU Game 2

[hoopsalot]

That was great. Celeste plays harder than just about anyone I've ever seen. Now, if she can keep shooting like that....Everyone played well after that awful start. Charli was really special. Congrats to the players and to the coaches.

Yes, and credit to Joyner for a huge 4th quarter! In the K-State game, Charlie was great but was not scoring much late in the game. Same thing tonight except that tonight Joyner came through when Charlie cooled off for whatever the reason. I did not watch tonight so can't speak to whether Charlie looked tired or TCU defense started taking away plays Charlie was getting earlier. [I recently ditched cable and this is the first game I have not been able to see as a result. I have Sing and ESPN plus. In total I get more wbb games than ever but I do not get the Fox regional channels including Fox Southwest.]

 

[HnH]

I was at this game, and I will claim most of the credit for the 180 turnaround. I changed seats at halftime, and clearly that altered the arena juju perfectly to our favor
The 2nd half was definitely our best performance since the Stanford game. It's like, where has this team been hiding for two whole months?

I have to say, I'm none too impressed with how Pebley responded to our run. She called no timeout until the 9-point lead had disappeared, and I'm pretty sure she still had 2 left when the game ended.

But speaking of timeouts, why oh why does Karen always feel the need to call a timeout after Texas SCORES?? So she can kill our momentum? After Celeste hit a 3 to give us an 11-point lead in the 4th quarter, Karen calls timeout and then TCU goes on a 7-2 run to cut the lead to 6. News flash to Karen -- nothing you said in the timeout offset the fact that you killed all the momentum.

 

[hoopsalot]

I was at this game, and I will claim most of the credit for the 180 turnaround. I changed seats at halftime, and clearly that altered the arena juju perfectly to our favor
The 2nd half was definitely our best performance since the Stanford game. It's like, where has this team been hiding for two whole months?

I have to say, I'm none too impressed with how Pebley responded to our run. She called no timeout until the 9-point lead had disappeared, and I'm pretty sure she still had 2 left when the game ended.

But speaking of timeouts, why oh why does Karen always feel the need to call a timeout after Texas SCORES?? So she can kill our momentum? After Celeste hit a 3 to give us an 11-point lead in the 4th quarter, Karen calls timeout and then TCU goes on a 7-2 run to cut the lead to 6. News flash to Karen -- nothing you said in the timeout offset the fact that you killed all the momentum.

So, first of all, a HUGE THANK YOU for doing something to help (changing seats.) All I did was sit on my sofa morosely refusing to admit hope until well into the fourth quarter. Good thing the players aren't quitters! Completely agree on the time out and said the same thing as it happened. Your team is rolling! Let them play! I can't remember the coach I was listening to recently who said he was not a fan of calling a timeout after your team scores. He says "make the other coach call time out." Makes sense to me. Exceptions might include the last couple of minutes or final seconds of a close game.

 

[HnH]

I can't remember the coach I was listening to recently who said he was not a fan of calling a timeout after your team scores. He says "make the other coach call time out." Makes sense to me. Exceptions might include the last couple of minutes or final seconds of a close game.

Yes, for example if you're trying to come back in the final minute or two, sometimes you call a TO after a bucket in order to set up your press or strategize about whom to foul etc. But good lord almighty NOT when you're up by 11 with 6 minutes remaining.

Sometimes a team wins despite the coaching, and that's certainly the case tonight.

 

[Moooooo]

. . . sometimes you call a TO after a bucket in order to set up your press or strategize about whom to foul etc. But good lord almighty NOT when you're up by 11 with 6 minutes remaining.

Sometimes a team wins despite the coaching, and that's certainly the case tonight.

Seriously? You feel the need to dump on her because she called one timeout you don't agree with? SMH

Try to enjoy tonight's win. Obviously, whatever Karen told the team at halftime is what lit a fire under them and the reason we won the game tonight.

 

[HnH]

Seriously? You feel the need to dump on her because she called one timeout you don't agree with? SMH

Try to enjoy tonight's win. Obviously, whatever Karen told the team at halftime is what lit a fire under them and the reason we won the game tonight.

Sorry but I'm too jaded on Karen. It's not just about the timeouts. Why didn't she unleash some of her locker room magic before the 1st half? Why is it such an extreme exception for us to see play like we saw in the 2nd half?

I'm very happy for the win tonight, but it doesn't make me forget that we have a sorry coach. Sorry.

 

[Moooooo]

Sorry but I'm too jaded on Karen. It's not just about the timeouts. Why didn't she unleash some of her locker room magic before the 1st half? Why is it such an extreme exception for us to see play like we saw in the 2nd half?

I'm very happy for the win tonight, but it doesn't make me forget that we have a sorry coach. Sorry.

So, now you want to complain about other things that you hadn't mentioned before, and things not about this game (in this game thread)? Your complaints and insults directed toward Karen were about the timeout. Nice try, though.

 

[HnH]

So, now you want to complain about other things that you hadn't mentioned before, and things not about this game (in this game thread)? Your complaints and insults directed toward Karen were about the timeout. Nice try, though.

I mentioned the timeout thing only because it was fresh on my mind and because no one else had mentioned it. All the other complaints and "insults" (more like criticism, but whatever) are the some ol' thing we see and talk about in virtually every game. I was trying to avoid

I'll have the record reflect that I'm an equal opportunity "insulter" -- I called out Pebley for being way too passive in the 2nd half as her team lost the lead.

 

[longhorn47]

Here's something different to complain about...and it's a problem with both women's and men's BB: why don't officials call an offensive foul when the dribbler/driver uses his/her off arm as an arm bar to create space from the defender?! It's a freakin' foul!!

 

[DINO22]

Love Celeste!

She really the Leader of the Team.
Play so hard for Texas.

 

[justabbfan]

He’s a former TCU coach.

I muted the tv about 5 minutes into the first quarter. I’ve never really enjoyed listening to that Fox announcer but could tolerate him if there was a partner person who knew their business. I could tell this guy was not going to be able to contribute anything of substance.

BTW, it is interesting to watch a game with no sound. One pays more attention to facial expressions and body language without the distraction of someone jabbering. Peably looked confused at times and seemed to be wondering how this is happening. Karen appeared focused and intense.

 

[Ellis21d]

I really like the short lineup! Joanne was out last night and the result was we played 7 core players. Palmer had 7 minutes as an 8th player. This makes a big difference in the team. When they were playing so well early in the year was when Audrey was out and again a short line up. It gives more floor time to those players in the flow of the game! Aston fells she has to play everyone when they are on the bench to keep everyone happy. Just another complaint, and there are many, I have about her.

 

[hoopsalot]

I really like the short lineup! Joanne was out last night and the result was we played 7 core players. Palmer had 7 minutes as an 8th player. This makes a big difference in the team. When they were playing so well early in the year was when Audrey was out and again a short line up. It gives more floor time to those players in the flow of the game! Aston fells she has to play everyone when they are on the bench to keep everyone happy. Just another complaint, and there are many, I have about her.

It is hard to win on this one. When Texas was reeling in the All-American high school players, there was a lot of complaining on the board about highly touted freshmen not getting enough minutes. To have a shorter tighter line-up (which I generally favor), sometimes good players have to sit. But I think Karen fundamentally believes in trying to get more players in the game. Hope Joanne is back soon.

 

[xdxmmxchxxl]

It is hard to win on this one. When Texas was reeling in the All-American high school players, there was a lot of complaining on the board about highly touted freshmen not getting enough minutes. To have a shorter tighter line-up (which I generally favor), sometimes good players have to sit. But I think Karen fundamentally believes in trying to get more players in the game. Hope Joanne is back soon.

Why didn’t she play tonight

 

[WCBBNUT]

Why didn’t she play tonight

She has the flu

 

[WCBBNUT]

Did fox sports pull a TCU fan out of the stands and give him a Mike. This guy is TERRIBLE!!

He said Chucky Collier is good at the three. Chucky????? Early on he joked that a TCU player was on target to get 120 points and if she did TCU would PROBABLY win. Eventually he calmed down. But continued to mix up Celeste with Charlie and Joyner with Charlie.

 

[yelladawgdem]

57-27 Texas rebound advantage
25-10 Texas offensive rebound advantage

Rebounding numbers like this are why John Wooden gravitated to the attending Women's games at UCLA in his later years and not Men's games. He believed that the Women were playing the style of basketball that he won all of those National Titles with.

More specifically, "the game is won and lost below the rim, not above it. Women are playing to that dynamic, with effort, focus and determination. Sadly, too often, the Men are not".

The Wizard of Westwood would have looked at last night's stat sheet, seen the rebounding stats and not looked at anything else.

A kid.
A ball.
A dream.

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[WCBBNUT]

Rewatching the game today with less emotion - we never got down on ourselves even with the horrible shooting. It could have been a disastrous loss. Credit to the players and staff for sticking with it for 40 mins. Celeste and Collier especially. Sure wish we could get 4 fully focused quarters out of Holmes. Her talent really is apparent when she is focused.

(Edit: announcers commented Joyner is dominant when she plays baseline to baseline rather than foul line to foul line. ) So true.

 

[utfannforlife]

Yes, for example if you're trying to come back in the final minute or two, sometimes you call a TO after a bucket in order to set up your press or strategize about whom to foul etc. But good lord almighty NOT when you're up by 11 with 6 minutes remaining.

Sometimes a team wins despite the coaching, and that's certainly the case tonight.

There are 100 different ways to "skin a cat" as folks say. I disagree with your point, in real time I actually said "good timeout" because we even though we were up, we were still trading buckets with TCU. IRCC we got a stop on the possession following the TO

 

[WCBBNUT]

One more basket from Sug and we would have had 4 double doubles.

Sug 8 points 10 assists
Celeste 22 points 10 rebounds (4/7 bta)
Joyner 15 points 12 rebounds
Charlie 16 points 16 rebounds

 

[HnH]

There are 100 different ways to "skin a cat" as folks say. I disagree with your point, in real time I actually said "good timeout" because we even though we were up, we were still trading buckets with TCU. IRCC we got a stop on the possession following the TO

When you're up 11 in the 4th quarter, trading baskets is fine.
If we were down by 11, that *might* be a different thing.

As I said, TCU ended up going on a 7-2 run after the timeout. That's not as good as trading buckets.

 

[xdxmmxchxxl]

As poorly as we’ve played lately we have still played well enough to win most games. the close games we’ve lost were when Sug couldn’t hit shots. Those last few games if she makes those shots throughout, we win the game..and she had been hitting those earlier in the season. I think she’s in a bit of a funk, but she’s getting her teammates involved!!

 

[HnH]

Rewatching the game today with less emotion - we never got down on ourselves even with the horrible shooting. It could have been a disastrous loss. Credit to the players and staff for sticking with it for 40 mins. Celeste and Collier especially. Sure wish we could get 4 fully focused quarters out of Holmes. Her talent really is apparent when she is focused.

This is really true. The first 4 minutes were disastrous, but from there the team did staunch the bleeding and kept the game within reach. Everyone just hung in there. The fans might've been forgiven for cursing up a storm but the team seemed to know there was a lot of game left to be played.

From this article I learned that Celeste posted a career high in both points (22) and rebounds (10, tied her total vs. UTSA) -- not to mention her first double-double. What a godsend she has been for this team. She really is our energy leader.

Watch: head coach Karen Aston and Celeste Taylor address media

 

[WCBBNUT]

I mentioned the timeout thing only because it was fresh on my mind and because no one else had mentioned it. All the other complaints and "insults" (more like criticism, but whatever) are the some ol' thing we see and talk about in virtually every game. I was trying to avoid

I'll have the record reflect that I'm an equal opportunity "insulter" -- I called out Pebley for being way too passive in the 2nd half as her team lost the lead.

I think this is valid criticism especially considering how frustrated we are with what Karen has done this season with this roster. However, I thought this was one of Karen’s better games.

Her keeping Higgs in the game rather than yanking her is a good example. Higgs struggled mightily until having a great 4th quarter. Normally Karen would have benched her.

Sadly, that could have only been because of JAT absence. More likely now that I think about it.

 

[HnH]

I think this is valid criticism especially considering how frustrated we are with what Karen has done this season with this roster. However, I thought this was one of Karen’s better games.

Her keeping Higgs in the game rather than yanking her is a good example. Higgs struggled mightily until having a great 4th quarter. Normally Karen would have benched her.

Sadly, that could have only been because of JAT absence. More likely now that I think about it.

I love Lashann and it's hurt me to see her relegated to a bench role this year, too quickly pulled and frequently off the court during key moments. I recall some very key hustle plays from her in the 2nd half, including an O-board and put-back. I really want for her senior season to end well. Same as for the other seniors, but Lashann has a special place with me because of her injury and just her nature.

 

[WCBBNUT]

Dang I really wanna watch it but I don’t have that channel either

It was originally on an obscure hard to find Fox Channel (not the usual FSSW) However, it is on FSSW normal channel right now AND again at 10pm tonight (Thursday) Spectrum 54 in Austin area

 

[SabreHorn]

I watched it live of FoxSW (Comcast 637). OK, only the fourth quarter, but the game was live on FoxSW.

 

[Ellis21d]

I think this is valid criticism especially considering how frustrated we are with what Karen has done this season with this roster. However, I thought this was one of Karen’s better games.


Her keeping Higgs in the game rather than yanking her is a good example. Higgs struggled mightily until having a great 4th quarter. Normally Karen would have benched her.

Sadly, that could have only been because of JAT absence. More likely now that I think about it.

My point exactly about playing a short lineup. The team plays better when the best players are forced to play!

 

[chuckhorn]

I also agree on short line ups. You don't see UConn or Baylor playing the revolving door game with substitutions. They have a core and they are on the floor the entire game. All I can say is we are a totally different team when Joyner shows up to play.

 

[WCBBNUT]

Interesting little fact: We scored more in the 3rd quarter (27) than we did in the first two quarters combined (26). Whatever happened in that locker room - more please.