SLEEPLESS in SEATTLE

[Mr. Deez]

The city of Seattle is really remarkable. You've got one rational adult (Carmen Best) in the room, but she's being shouted down by a bunch of crazy kids (the city council). If I was her, I'd walk off the job.

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

The city of Seattle is really remarkable. You've got one rational adult (Carmen Best) in the room, but she's being shouted down by a bunch of crazy kids (the city council). If I was her, I'd walk off the job.

just spoke to a deputy and they received 60 applications from Seattle cops, yesterday!!!

 

[Mr. Deez]

A wrongful death suit has been brought against the City of Seattle. Link.

 

[Mr. Deez]

There's nothing for you to disagree with, Bubba. What I said is fact. Did you read about Washington taking down the Whiskey Rebellion when the states couldn't handle it? We also used the Feds to take out the the Klan as well. We can't have perpetual burning and looting and the fact that you're OK with more people dying because of your hateful disdain toward Trump is ******. If Obama had to bring in the feds to take down the Proud Boys, Klan, Boogaloo, etc., you know damn well you wouldn't have a problem with it. Quit playing politics because this isn't the place for it. Trump is correct.

Once the federal courthouse was attacked, federal officials had every right to intervene. The people calling it an "occupation" or "fascist" are just rank idiots. It's "Hitler was a vegetarian" stuff.

Should they end the entire riot? Under the Insurrection Act, I think they can. Should they? I'm not so sure. My general inclination is to let local governments enforce their own laws unless they request help. If they don't want to enforce them, as Portland doesn't want to, then I'd leave the matter to the people. Those who want law and order can use the political process to impose it. If they fail, then they can and should leave Portland as a testament to Left-wing mayhem. I'd guard the federal courthouse with US troops with orders to shoot anyone who vandalizes the building or interferes with federal employees (from federal judges down to the janitors) trying to do their jobs.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Why do the law-abiding folks of Portland (and there have to be some decent people there) put up with this garbage?

I'm sure there are plenty of them. In fact, they're probably a majority. However, we're living in astoundingly stupid times of false binaries and polarization. If you say you oppose the rioting, you aren't just signaling your opposition to violence, you're also signaling indifference to racism and police brutality. And because the feds have intervened, your are signaling support for Trump. I reject all of this. It's all horse ****, but in the current era, that's where our "educated" populace is. So the decent people in Portland are going to keep their mouths shut or go along despite their personal disapproval.

I think OUBubba is illustrating this. Look how careful he's being when it comes to the rioting. He's using very passive and obligatory language about it, and he's directing most of his energy to signal his opposition to Trump and doing so with reckless abandon for facts or evidence. It's more important to him to oppose Trump than it is to oppose rioting. Well, that's polarization at work. He should be able to strongly condemn the rioting without it reflecting on his views for race issues, police brutality, or Trump, but at least in his mind, he can't, whether he'll admit that or not.

And he's ten times more sensible than your average woke, purse-carrying, skinny jeans-wearing, man-bunned, pothead in Portland.

 

[Clean]

Portland mayor teargassed by federal agents at protest

you know your city is in trouble when your mayor sides with, marches with, the people trying to destroy it and its police force.

 

[HornHuskerDad]

If you say you oppose the rioting, you aren't just signaling your opposition to violence, you're also signaling indifference to racism and police brutality.

You nailed it, Mr. Deez. The right to free speech and the right to demonstrate peacefully do not include the right to riot, commit arson, deface and destroy property and threaten people. Somewhere in that, elected officials have a responsibility to see that the laws are enforced - and that positively includes allowing the police to enforce the law.

Is there a need to monitor the police and weed out bad officers? Absolutely - but that doesn't mean that "the police" are bad and need to be abolished, it mean that the few bad officers need to be weeded out and held accountable.

Portland is in horrible condition. Sooner or later (and I hope it's sooner) the good, decent, law-abiding citizens of Portland will say "Enough!"

 

[Horn6721]

HHD
I think it is way past sooner
And close to past later
What are the good citizens waiting for?

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

HHD
I think it is way past sooner
And close to past later
What are the good citizens waiting for?

in TEXAS, 80% of people attend church....in Washington, less than 10% attend....(and you CAN tell the difference)....

 

[Joe Fan]

Oregon’s Marxist AG, Ellen Rosenblum, went to federal court seeking to protect her terrorist friends and comrades from arrest by the federal govt
She lost
By coincidence, the judge works in the same building they keep trying to burn down

Judge Rejects Oregon Attorney General’s Motion for a Restraining Order Against Federal Police

 

[Joe Fan]

"Peaceful Protestors" (as the NYT describes them) now bringing acetylene torches to their rally

 

[Joe Fan]

The Seattle police chief has informed business owners that they are on their own against the rioters. The city council has tied her hands. The police do not have the tools to combat mob violence.

Hope that state has a castle doctrine

 

[Joe Fan]

Mugshot of David Blake Hampe, a "peaceful protester" who "allegedly" stabbed a black Trump supporter in Portland in the early hours of Saturday. His bail has been set to $250,000.

 

[2003TexasGrad]

did you read the letter from the POLICE CHIEF???

Sarcasm.

 

[OUBubba]

Your disagreement is based on emotion, or you are just spouting DNC talking points. There are already Federal agents in every state. There is Federal property in every state.

Rioters attacking Federal property means that the President has the legal right to take action if mayors or governors refuse to do so.

Thank God no one has died. Is that your litmus test? People have to die first?

He said I was ignoring the deaths. I just pointed out I didn’t find what he said I was ignoring.

 

[Chop]

The city of Seattle is really remarkable. You've got one rational adult (Carmen Best) in the room, but she's being shouted down by a bunch of crazy kids (the city council). If I was her, I'd walk off the job.

Non-lethal tools like tear gas and tasers can mitigate the damage from riots without having to kill anyone. The unavailability of non-lethal means means more deaths.

 

[OUBubba]

ouBUBBA like a true LIBERAL Democrat never answered ONE of questions I posed to him....therefore, he is dead to me....he just spews crap he doesn't understand....

mother phucker. Your question was “is death my litmus test?” I ignored it because it was a false litmus test added by the other guy. That’s the reason I said “I found no deaths, did I miss them?” Also, I give The Notebook 4.5 stars.

That’s the only question mark in your post.

 

[OUBubba]

Non-lethal tools like tear gas and tasers can mitigate the damage from riots without having to kill anyone. The unavailability of non-lethal means means more deaths.

The problem is that tear gas is an outlawed weapon. It didn’t stop them from using it to clear out peaceful protestors from Lafayette park for photo op.

 

[OUBubba]

Mugshot of David Blake Hampe, a "peaceful protester" who "allegedly" stabbed a black Trump supporter in Portland in the early hours of Saturday. His bail has been set to $250,000.

Prison is in future.

 

[Chop]

Mugshot of David Blake Hampe, a "peaceful protester" who "allegedly" stabbed a black Trump supporter in Portland in the early hours of Saturday. His bail has been set to $250,000.

Hmmmm. Looks like a former TA in the sociology department of a state university who didn’t get a permanent academic job, so he set out to foment revolution outside the academy. Last seen hanging out at Quackenbushes drinking double espressos and talking about Marx to anyone who would listen. Turned down an offer for a free haircut and shave from the Wooten barbers.

 

[Chop]

The problem is that tear gas is an outlawed weapon. It didn’t stop them from using it to clear out peaceful protestors from Lafayette park for photo op.

Outlawed where (other than Seattle)? It can be used in Texas.

Tear gas is an excellent tool to disperse rioters without killing, or even seriously injuring, them.

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

You nailed it, Mr. Deez. The right to free speech and the right to demonstrate peacefully do not include the right to riot, commit arson, deface and destroy property and threaten people. Somewhere in that, elected officials have a responsibility to see that the laws are enforced - and that positively includes allowing the police to enforce the law.

Is there a need to monitor the police and weed out bad officers? Absolutely - but that doesn't mean that "the police" are bad and need to be abolished, it mean that the few bad officers need to be weeded out and held accountable.

Portland is in horrible condition. Sooner or later (and I hope it's sooner) the good, decent, law-abiding citizens of Portland will say "Enough!"

The problem is that tear gas is an outlawed weapon. It didn’t stop them from using it to clear out peaceful protestors from Lafayette park for photo op.

LALALALALALALALALALA!!!
you are DEAD to me....

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

Outlawed where (other than Seattle)? It can be used in Texas.

Tear gas is an excellent tool to disperse rioters without killing, or even seriously injuring, them.

BUBBA is a MORON....fyi

 

[Garmel]

mother phucker. Your question was “is death my litmus test?” I ignored it because it was a false litmus test added by the other guy. That’s the reason I said “I found no deaths, did I miss them?” Also, I give The Notebook 4.5 stars.

That’s the only question mark in your post.

It's not a false litmus test. People have died at these rallies across the US.. None in Portland is not something I would cling to because it very well could happen with the violence occurring. Of course if it happens you'll somehow blame Trump.

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

Non-lethal tools like tear gas and tasers can mitigate the damage from riots without having to kill anyone. The unavailability of non-lethal means means more deaths.

actually, it means the police are not sent in....total free-for-all...total destruction and looting....please, read Police Chief's letter...she is THE ONLY ADULT in the room....

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

LALALALALALALALALALA!!!
you are DEAD to me....

not, you, DAD....

 

[Garmel]

using it to clear out peaceful protestors from Lafayette park for photo op.

Bubba, only one canister was launched by one officer at a few people who attacked the officer. These people were not peaceful.

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

It's not a false litmus test. People have died at these rallies across the US.. None in Portland is not something I would cling to because it very well could happen with the violence occurring. Of course if it happens you'll somehow blame Trump.

SANTA MONICA:

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

Hmmmm. Looks like a former TA in the sociology department of a state university who didn’t get a permanent academic job, so he set out to foment revolution outside the academy. Last seen hanging out at Quackenbushes drinking double espressos and talking about Marx to anyone who would listen. Turned down an offer for a free haircut and shave from the Wooten barbers.

I got WOO-DOOs!!!

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

Mugshot of David Blake Hampe, a "peaceful protester" who "allegedly" stabbed a black Trump supporter in Portland in the early hours of Saturday. His bail has been set to $250,000.

what ANARCHIST's MOTHER wouldn't be proud???