I'd have charged in ready to shoot and if it came to it... I'd have cursed the NRA with my last breath.
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Joe Fan
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Agree. But also worth noting we quickly established that you could and would charge into the breach, with the proper motivation. And it makes me wonder much more motivation those 4 armed deputies needed? How many young lives could have been saved?
One last note. I was a trial atty for a long time. Which means I cannot help but think through potential liability every time one of these situations occur. It just happens automatically. And I am beginning to envision a swarm of plaintiffs lawyers descending on this county like a biblical horde of locusts.
I wonder if sovereign immunity applies to incompetent policing. I know cities have paid out the wazoo for wrongful death when officers killed people negligently. Kinda curious because after an ice storm toppled a big tree across the road this week, a firetruck roared through my father's yard, leaving ruts in his St. Augustine and breaking his sprinkler system in several places.
ProdigalHorn
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SO in other words, according to Jake, CNN knew perfectly well that the question would be asked of Dana, and they were OK with it. And Jake somehow thinks that makes CNN look fair???
Joe Fan
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Transcripts of one of the FBI calls have been released
As far as I can tell, we dont know who made this call, but clearly someone with first hand knowledge.
The caller notes the Browards County Sheriff had already been called, but did nothing. So this woman went one step further and added that he --
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As far as I can tell, we dont know who made this call, but clearly someone with first hand knowledge.
The caller notes the Browards County Sheriff had already been called, but did nothing. So this woman went one step further and added that he --
-- cut up animals
-- liked ISIS
-- had the mental capacity of a 12-14yr old, and
-- wanted to kill people
I guess hindsight and all that but, to me, this does not just qualify as a red flag, it is a giant flashing neon sign. And it was still not enough---- liked ISIS
-- had the mental capacity of a 12-14yr old, and
-- wanted to kill people
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Joe Fan
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It is almost as if Tapper/CNN had decided on the narrative and agenda before they knew the facts.
Strange how often that happens.
The Broward coward will go down in infamy.
I understand that no one truly knows how they will react until the stuff hits the fan, but 4 people hired to protect hiding outside is disgusting.
I've been in a few situations where I could have fled, or fight, and I fought.
These situations didn't even involve children. That should be instinctual if you have children or loved ones who are kids.
I understand that no one truly knows how they will react until the stuff hits the fan, but 4 people hired to protect hiding outside is disgusting.
I've been in a few situations where I could have fled, or fight, and I fought.
These situations didn't even involve children. That should be instinctual if you have children or loved ones who are kids.
ProdigalHorn
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So someone with some smarts answer for me: Is it possible to tell based on what CNN has now released that the Habbs' version of the email with CNN was the one that was doctored? CNN is claiming they edited the email they showed as evidence that CNN was censoring them. But I'm looking at the two versions:
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...ck-on-claim-about-scripted-town-hall-question
CNN's version is the one that looks sketchy. Would you write "These are quick questions so that we can get to as many people as possible/ This is what Colton and I discussed on the phone that he submitted?" That makes no grammatical sense at all - it frankly looks tacked on.
The email writer could just be horrible at writing. That's certainly a possibility. But the Haabs' version looks a whole lot more believable on the face of it just due to the way it's written. So I'm not clear why it's so evident that the Haabs' version is the altered one.
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...ck-on-claim-about-scripted-town-hall-question
CNN's version is the one that looks sketchy. Would you write "These are quick questions so that we can get to as many people as possible/ This is what Colton and I discussed on the phone that he submitted?" That makes no grammatical sense at all - it frankly looks tacked on.
The email writer could just be horrible at writing. That's certainly a possibility. But the Haabs' version looks a whole lot more believable on the face of it just due to the way it's written. So I'm not clear why it's so evident that the Haabs' version is the altered one.
How this Sheriff can not only show his face but righteously ***** out his political opponents is really astounding. If anyone besides the shooter bears responsibility, it's law enforcement - from ignoring warning signs to wussing out while the shooting took place.
And of course, though it's being spun to attack the pro-gun position, any sensible person should reach the opposite conclusion. Failures on the part of law enforcement show that police cannot adequately protect the public. People should turn over their right to own a gun to rely on these gutless and incompetent jokers? That's just insane.
And of course, though it's being spun to attack the pro-gun position, any sensible person should reach the opposite conclusion. Failures on the part of law enforcement show that police cannot adequately protect the public. People should turn over their right to own a gun to rely on these gutless and incompetent jokers? That's just insane.
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OUBubba
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You make good points. Do we go ahead and take you off the Blue Lives Matter email list?
You make good points. Do we go ahead and take you off the Blue Lives Matter email list?
Barry,
I was never on it, but believe it or not, it is possible to be pro-cop in general but anti-cop not doing his job. Personally, I'm not pro-cop in general. When a cop screws up I don't take his side. When he does his job correctly, I do take his side. It's the "doing a good job" part that gets my support, not just being a cop.
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For when you need to do nothing as quickly as possible.
That can't be real.
The school failed.
The FBI failed.
The BCSO failed.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...keep-us-safe-glenn-reynolds-column/371372002/
But, yeah, blame the NRA.
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ProdigalHorn
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People on the left have really contorted to make this argument - trying to show that since THESE guys didn't do anything, that somehow has anything to do with what cops IN GENERAL will do. The weird claim that you can't expect those guys to go in against a guy with a semi-automatic shows a shocking lack of knowledge about what happens pretty regularly in shooter situations.
Of course the next step is if these "highly trained good guys with guns" didn't do anything, that somehow means that none of them ever would. At some point I think people just shut their brains off and make everything fit their narrative.
Charity eventMaybe it was civil forfeiture, and they just got a paint job?
An ex of mine ended up as an ADA in Oxnard (Ventura County) and I recall they had fancy boats, jet skis, ATVs and so forth out the wazoo. No telling what else
It's a self-defeating argument for the Left. If we cannot rely on the Police to protect us then what choice do we have other than arming ourselves.
Maybe it was civil forfeiture, and they just got a paint job?
An ex of mine ended up as an ADA in Oxnard (Ventura County) and I recall they had fancy boats, jet skis, ATVs and so forth out the wazoo. No telling what else
The "optics" of this are absolutely horrific, and though politicians and bureaucrats don't really care about the taxpayers' money, they do care about optics. That's the main reason I question its authenticity.
Statalyzer
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I'm always suspicious of stuff on sites with partisan agendas, but this looks pretty legit:
https://constitution.com/school-shooting-plot-exposed-wont-believe-set/
And if true, it explains how a student could have the police come to his home over 30 times with no arrest or record - the school district he was in made a deal with the sheriff's office to not prosecute students in their schools so that their stats could be better.
https://constitution.com/school-shooting-plot-exposed-wont-believe-set/
And if true, it explains how a student could have the police come to his home over 30 times with no arrest or record - the school district he was in made a deal with the sheriff's office to not prosecute students in their schools so that their stats could be better.
Joe Fan
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Scot Peterson, the armed deputy at the school who stood down and then quit, has hired a lawyer
There seems to be an issue as to whether or not a "stand down" order was given to Peterson (and the 3 others alleged to be there at the same time). Here, the State AG dodges that question which, to me at least, smells of someone concerned about civil liability. But maybe you guys will have a different perspective.
There seems to be an issue as to whether or not a "stand down" order was given to Peterson (and the 3 others alleged to be there at the same time). Here, the State AG dodges that question which, to me at least, smells of someone concerned about civil liability. But maybe you guys will have a different perspective.
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Under the scenario envision I would rush into a building where a competent shooter who could make swiss cheese of my "bulletproof vest" would be waiting my approach his defensive position as I attacked with pistol or shotgun. Yeah, I blame the NRA that buying a military style weapon that can inflict horrific damage with hardly a pause for reloading is accessible through a hassle free purchase, in this case by a nutcase.
Would You Phil Elliott be in favor of denying someone their 2nd amendment right to awesome firepower just because they've been acting like a dangerous knucklehead? If not, I guess we'll just have to accept that we see gun control so differently that there can be little common ground.
What gun control law that we currently do not have, and that the NRA is against, are you advocating here? I don't know if we agree or not because I cannot tell exactly what you are for or against in this instance. Do you just want the AR-15 banned? Or what?
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