Saudis

President Trump has called on Saudis to end Yemen blockade immediately, citing humanitarian concerns.
 
More reform -- Saudi Arabia announces that movie theaters will open in the kingdom next year, for the first time in more than 35 years
 
Obama benefactor Prince al-Waleed was let out. Terms undisclosed

https://www.wsj.com/articles/billio...-waleed-is-released-from-detention-1517056497

" ..... Several prominent Saudi businessmen have reached financial settlements with the kingdom in the past few days, including Waleed al-Ibrahim, owner of regional television network MBC, who also has been released, the people familiar with the matter said.

Other prominent names include Fawaz Alhokair, a major shareholder in fashion retailer Fawaz Abdulaziz Alhokair Co.; Khalid al-Tuwaijri, a former chief of the Royal Court; and Turki bin Nasser, a former head of the country’s meteorology and environmental protection agency, the people said. These people couldn’t be immediately reached for comment.

Saudi Arabia has secured about $100 billion in total after many of the more than 200 detained agreed to settle and were released, Saudi officials said.

The public prosecutor’s office said Wednesday that officials were moving ahead with plans to prosecute 95 people who were still detained and have declined to pay what the government describes as financial settlements."​
 
Joe Fan said:
....That said, the Saudis dont like Iran or Hezbollah. That latter of which has been playing a big role in Syria and which has also entrenched itself in Lebanese Govt and society. Which puts the Saudis on the same side of Israel, a state they have never recognized. And, get this, despite the lack of recognition, there was a rumor that bin Salman made a secret visit to Israel back in Sept.....
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You read it here first

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Joe Fan said:
I think he is the best hope for the region in my lifetime
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Muhammad bin Salman sitting at the foot of the Lamb of God, flanked by the Holy Family to his right and Christ the King to his left. Again, I say this guy is a once in a lifetime Mideast leader

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Correct that to Saudi leader and I will agree with you. There are a number of mideast nations that are not hostile to hosting multiple religions, Egypt being primary in my mind.
 
In addition to this, in a very underreported story, Muhammad bin Salman recently ceded control of the Grand Mosque in Brussels. This mosque was leased to the Saudis in 1969 in a deal for cheaper oil. From this mosque, Saudi-funded imams controlled of the religious education received by the Muslim immigrant community. It's a big story because this mosque has been Grand Central Station for the promotion of Islamic supremacy, anti-Christian and anti-Semitic hatred throughout Europe.
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
Correct that to Saudi leader and I will agree with you. There are a number of mideast nations that are not hostile to hosting multiple religions, Egypt being primary in my mind.
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Still disagree. I say no one in Middle East can accomplish more than the Saudi King.
 
That I agree with. I was just pointing out there are other mideast nations and leaders who will be more than happy to support MBS and his reforms.
 
This type of government is thousands of years old, for homogeneous and religious societies- the king supports the clergy in their role as leaders of the nation’s one legitimate faith. In return, the clergy supports the king’s legitimacy as ruler (and declares any challengers as illegitimate). This type of government is described in the OT in Judah as well. It is very stable.

It is autocratic. Democracy is terrific, but it doesn’t solve everything. Its best feature is that it keeps a minority from oppressing a majority. Democracy alone does not protect minorities nor individual rights (people can always be talked into voting away rights). I look at the example of Iran, where a similar monarchy was replaced by a democracy- and we see that given the chance, the Iranians will always vote for more Islam. I can’t see that is an improvement over the Shah.
 
That guy is one tough cookie. I suppose he'll be quite powerful for a long time--unless assassinated or whatever. I'm sure he has his flaws, but he gives an amazing presentation.
 
That guy is one tough cookie. I suppose he'll be quite powerful for a long time--unless assassinated or whatever. I'm sure he has his flaws, but he gives an amazing presentation.
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That sounds like someone we just elected POTUS.
 
Good question
What did the Iranians do with our $150 Billion?
And a sad reflection on the US media that he is the only one asking it

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Joe Fan said:
I think its clear the new Crown Prince sees the Mullahs as the main issue for the region. He likes the Persian people just not their political leaders. And I think he thinks he can accomplish this without direct war with Iran. Not ruling out smaller conflicts in other places.
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KbS should quit killing Yemenis then. Hypocrite.

I'm no fan of the Iran regime, but I also don't agree with using their misconduct as an excuse to fire missiles at Syria on KSA's behalf.
 
Joe Fan said:
I think its clear the new Crown Prince sees the Mullahs as the main issue for the region. He likes the Persian people just not their political leaders. And I think he thinks he can accomplish this without direct war with Iran. Not ruling out smaller conflicts in other places.
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"Death to America" has apparently organically changed to "Death to the Dictator"

 
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