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Joe Fan said:
Here is a little something more. MBS totally reformed their military. Rumor is that his Gulf Cooperation Council funded Israeli weapon development (perhaps as much as $5 Trillion)......
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The wheels continue to turn

A Saudi paper published a story this week where IDF Chief of Staff Gadi Eisenkot said Israel is willing to share intelligence with the Saudis on Iran -- “the largest threat to the region.”

This would be a first.
In fact, a Saudi newspaper simply interviewing an Israeli military head was already a historic first (since the countries have no diplomatic relations)

“With President Donald Trump there is an opportunity for a new international coalition in the region. There should be a major regional plan to stop the Iranian threat”​

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-fi...w-idf-head-says-ready-to-share-intel-on-iran/
 
That's huge news if those three team up in much greater depth than just on paper. It makes perfect sense for Saudi to push for this.

They know the U.S. (Christians) and Israel (Jews) will never desire to occupy or threaten their borders.

But it's clear as day Iran (Shia) has already begun enacting long-term plans to dominate the majority Sunni controlled region. Rallying up Musburger's Reds, Assad, Erdogan, Hezbollah, etc.

Sounds like the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' principle is about to expand to unprecedented levels for the ME. Three religion coalition is interesting.
 
The "largest threat to the region" isn't Iran. The largest threat to the region has proven to be the neocon led US, the crazy Netanyahu government, and the terror supporting Saudis. It is these three entities that have been responsible for all the war and mayhem, attacking country after country. The results? Increased terrorism, destruction of civilization, increased influence in the region by Iran and Russia.

The coming together, if you will, of MBS and the despotic Saudi regime allied with Israel and with the support of the United States will only mean more war, more failure, and more regional influence for Iran and Russia after the project fails.
 
Musburger1 said:
The coming together, if you will, of MBS and the despotic Saudi regime allied with Israel and with the support of the United States will only mean more war, more failure, and more regional influence for Iran and Russia after the project fails.
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More regional influence for Russia and Iran than the total split cooperation between those three under BO? Wishful thinking at its finest.

I doubt there will be an uptick of war from our side, but U.S. supported Israel and SA being newly emboldened will be interesting.
 
Israel has found and destroyed 29 Palestinian tunnels. These were much more sophicticated tunnels than in the past. They were monitored and controlled using digital technolgy and were booby trapped with remote triggers.

The tunnels were known to only Hamas and Islamic Jihad. 28 were blown up in Gaza, by commandos. Supposedly it was Saudi or "Gulf Cooperation Council" special forces who first found them. Israel blew up the last attack tunnel by airstrike, killing two Islamic Jihad commanders.

Then the Israelis went on TV to make it publicly known and to say they knew of the plot with the tunnels. Hamas and Islamic Jihad were warned. The plan is the same one they used on Hezbollah, when they killed all the Hezbollah commanders. This warning was clear. These forces do not play by the same rules or with the same restraints US forces do.

Saudi and Israel cooperating is a big deal. It can potentially change the reality in the Middle East.



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Joe Fan said:
....The plan is the same one they used on Hezbollah, when they killed all the Hezbollah commanders.....
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This references Syria. Assad's regular and militia forces have been on the march, with the aid of Russian airstrikes and Iranian-backed foreign fighters. Some say the majority of the war effort is now is Iranian military directly, not just by proxy. The part of this story not as well known is that Iran and its proxies have taken some significant high-ranking casualties.

The Iranians there are mostly Quds who are the elite unit within the Revolutionary Guard that goes outside their own territory. The Quds Force was responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans in Iraq. And now these ******** are being killed in Syria.

The list of their high ranking officers killed there is now staggeringly long, including Hossein Hamedani – the Quds Force architect of Iranian operations in Syria and person who personally ended the Green Revolution of 2009 by having internal security forces fire on unarmed protesters. It also looks like Qassem Suleimani is dead too — the head of the Quds Force. That's the Quds #1 and #2. But the list of officers killed goes on and on. Basically every Iranian and Lebanese bigwig in Syria ends up dead, including Hezbollah leaders in Syria. And the the Russians are powerless to stop it. Putin even made a direct appeal to the Abu Dhabi Crown Prince in an attempt to make it stop.

The way they are being killed is sometimes very sophisticated. Often these guys are monitored and tracked, then targeted with new weapons, like shock waves (it's possible some of those tunnels in Israel were destroyed this way as well). Not every country has access to these things.
 
"Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia: We will eradicate extremism very soon"

The reference here to 1979 is when Saudi Arabia became a Wahhabist state
There was a bloody uprising. What more or less happened was that the Saudi security forces could not defeat the terrorists, so King Abdullah ended the bloodshed. That's when the country became extremely strict and intolerant.

 
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Joe Fan said:
"Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia: We will eradicate extremism very soon"

The reference here to 1979 is when Saudi Arabia became a Wahhabist state
There was a bloody uprising. What more or less happened was that the Saudi security forces could not defeat the terrorists, so King Abdullah ended the bloodshed. That's when the country became extremely strict and intolerant.

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MBS is a lying sack of you know what. This from a guy overseeing cluster bombing of civilians and the starvation of hundreds of thousands.
 
Joe Fan said:
(a) Is that Stalin and Lenin?
(b) Not sure that's true
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Yes, that's Trump pictured behind Lenin and Stalin. It may not be true, but between the media and the anti-Trump folks, you could probably convince half the population the photograph actually took place.
 
Musburger1 said:
Y.....between the media and the anti-Trump folks, you could probably convince half the population the photograph actually took place.
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Arent you concerned about confusion given the hallowed status afforded Stalin/Lenin among progressives?
 
Joe Fan said:
I could only open top and bottom but those two dont support your claim, based on the dates
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The sheer numbers of bombings have increased under Trump.

Under Obama, the military would request a target and Obama would approve or deny it. Several innocent people were killed.

With Trump, he doesn't even bother to screen it, but simply gives a green light to the military (or CIA as the case may be as they now have the capability to use drones) to use their own judgement.

So it makes sense that if the military/CIA has sole discretion and doesn't have to get Presidential approval, the rate of civilian killings would at best stay the same and more likely even be higher.
 
Joe Fan said:
I think he is the best hope for the region in my lifetime
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Looks like the NYT/Thomas Freidman may be lurking over here for its fresh ideas

Saudi Arabia’s Arab Spring, at Last
The crown prince has big plans to bring
back a level of tolerance to his society.

"Unlike the other Arab Springs — all of which emerged bottom up and failed miserably, except in Tunisia — this one is led from the top down by the country’s 32-year-old crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman...
"And, if it succeeds, it will not only change the character of Saudi Arabia but the tone and tenor of Islam across the globe. Only a fool would predict its success — but only a fool would not root for it."
"'Our country has suffered a lot from corruption from the 1980s until today. The calculation of our experts is that roughly 10 percent of all government spending was siphoned off by corruption each year, from the top levels to the bottom.'"

“'My father saw that there is no way we can stay in the G-20 and grow with this level of corruption. In early 2015, one of his first orders to his team was to collect all the information about corruption — at the top....This team worked for two years until they collected the most accurate information, and then they came up with about 200 names ....When all the data was ready, the public prosecutor, Saud al-Mojib, took action, M.B.S. said, explaining that each suspected billionaire or prince was arrested and given two choices: 'We show them all the files that we have and as soon as they see those about 95 percent agree to a settlement,' which means signing over cash or shares of their business to the Saudi state treasury ....We have experts making sure no businesses are bankrupted in the process' — to avoid causing unemployment. "

Not a single Saudi I spoke to here over three days expressed anything other than effusive support for this anticorruption drive. The Saudi silent majority is clearly fed up with the injustice of so many princes and billionaires ripping off their country​

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/...-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region
 
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