RIP John McCain

McCain didn't want Palin to even attend the funeral, but he allowed Joe Biden and Barack Obama to deliver his eulogies !!! (Obama didn't speak in Arizona but supposedly will in either D.C. or Annapolis)

I was disappointed when McCain lost to Obama, but in the years that followed I came to realize that there wasn't a whole lot of political differences between them. McCain loved America a lot more than Obama and was more hawkish, but there were more similarities than differences.
 
yes ... and the clip I heard of Uncle Joe ... he immediately introduced himself as a democrat. SIGH.

I get it ... politics is why you were even acquainted with the deceased ... but the entire deal needs to go away. Let the family have their peace as they adjust to the new normal --- whatever that is for them.

For me ... all it means is this particular person won't be a factor in contemporary politics and the business of governing.
 
A lot of stupidity from both sides on this one. First, it is true that the Left's and the media's eulogies are phony. This article explains it well. Basically they liked McCain when he screwed with Republicans and when it didn't hurt Democrats to like him. When it did hurt Democrats to praise him (such as in 2008), they said virtually everything about him that they said about Trump. If you want to know why the GOP didn't care what the media thought of Trump, the 2008 treatment of McCain and the 2012 treatment of Romney makes it obvious. They basically talked about two honorable and pretty moderate guys as though they were Richard Spencer.

Second, the Palin stuff is dumb. The Left is dumb, because they overstate her importance. She wasn't the reason McCain lost, and choosing Lieberman wouldn't have made a difference. She didn't launch the Tea Party. She didn't create or bring on Trump. The Right is dumb, because they think McCain's family was out of line for not inviting her to the funeral. Keep in mind that Palin was from Alaska. McCain was from the DC area and Navy bases (because of his dad), and then he joined the military, moved around, came to Arizona, and then spent 36 years on Capitol Hill. He probably barely knew Palin. He worked with guys like Pence, Biden, and Obama everyday when they were on Capitol Hill. It made sense for the family to invite them.
 
My God
the pettiness shown at what could have been a memorial to a person who served the country.
One can overlook Dems making a mockery of the service but the daughter just revealed how small minded and petty she is. I'd say McCain would not have liked it but I am not sure.
 
I am not watching but based off some of the twitter that has rolled by, it sounds like the McCain event turned into a disgraceful Paul Wellstone-style orgy of political hate. It's like McCain used his final act to make us all prisoners in a sort of national hostage crisis.

Thankfully football makes it easy to avoid
 
Horn6721 said:
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Explain what you mean, that Palin went "rogue" on McCain?
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A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign. "She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain adviser. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else. "Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."
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Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says - CNN.com
 
Interesting that no McCain source wanted to be named.
IIRC His aides never liked her and never tried to help.
I was not a big supporter of hers but damn she was on the team after he selected her

Maybe they all should have tried to work better together. Both sides.


I forgot he cheated on his first wife when she had stage4 .cancer
And that he blocked efforts to find Miss.
That is though in keeping with his reputation as being petty.

All of that does not takeaway from offering condolences to his family.
The long good bye is over.
 
Mr. Deez said:
That stuff is probably true, but that's a symptom of the bigger issue, which was that McCain didn't know or trust Palin. The fact that he wanted Lieberman (whom he knew and trusted) shows that he valued familiarity and trust.
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I am not looking this up but my memory is that the only time McCain led Obama in the polls was immediately after he named Palin to the ticket.
 
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Today is Day 6 of the McCain Funeral Miniseries
Which will likely be available soon on Netflix

meanwhile, I love this pic for showing the lovefest among global elites. They love themselves and each other. It presents a stark contrast with the current president, who loves the people

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Although I would normally refrain from speaking ill of the dead.....

The self-directed, burial palooza tour of McCain continues today at the Naval Academy. Enough already. Glad you were here, sorry you're gone. We'll name some bricks after you.

It's just getting weird. Is necro-narcissism a word?
 
I think Ivanka and Jared were invited which made the vile remarks all the more disgusting. WTH kind of people are these?

What a petty lowlives be and his daughter have shown to be.
RIP John
And please Meghan mourn your Dad and let the hate go
 
Joe Fan said:
I am not looking this up but my memory is that the only time McCain led Obama in the polls was immediately after he named Palin to the ticket.
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That's not the case. If you look at the polling data, he led at various points in the campaign. One of those times was incident to the convention, which is very common. That wasn't specifically about Palin. He never led for very long, but he did have a few up weeks when he'd do something right or Obama did something wrong. However, once the financial crisis became a major issue, he slipped behind and never recovered. Of course, he suspended his campaign to return to DC to debate and vote on the bailout, which appeared statesmanlike, and I think Obama did the same. However, that allowed the media to frame the issue on their terms, and of course, we know what happened. They basically framed the issue as the fault of Republican policies (basically did Obama's dirty work while allowing him to appear magnanimous), and by the time McCain started campaigning again, there was no coming back.
 
Mr. Deez said:
That's not the case. If you look at the polling data, he led at various points in the campaign. One of those times was incident to the convention, which is very common. That wasn't specifically about Palin. He never led for very long, but he did have a few up weeks when he'd do something right or Obama did something wrong. However, once the financial crisis became a major issue, he slipped behind and never recovered. Of course, he suspended his campaign to return to DC to debate and vote on the bailout, which appeared statesmanlike, and I think Obama did the same. However, that allowed the media to frame the issue on their terms, and of course, we know what happened. They basically framed the issue as the fault of Republican policies (basically did Obama's dirty work while allowing him to appear magnanimous), and by the time McCain started campaigning again, there was no coming back.
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RCP says Obama was up to a +9 lead over McCain in the period McCain was meeting with and offering Palin the position.
The R-Convention was early Sept, with McCain subsequently bouncing to +10 lead over Obama which was the only double-digit lead for McCain in the RCP polling in the entire year of the election. That's a pretty big swing for which Palin is due some of the credit, no doubt.
 
Joe Fan said:
RCP says Obama was up to a +9 lead over McCain in the period McCain was meeting with and offering Palin the position.
The R-Convention was early Sept, with McCain subsequently bouncing to +10 lead over Obama which was the only double-digit lead for McCain in the RCP polling in the entire year of the election. That's a pretty big swing for which Palin is due some of the credit, no doubt.
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Again, that often happens in the days following the convention. If you look at the polls, the bump coincided with the convention, not the announcement of Palin being on the ticket. Nevertheless, I'm sure Palin initially helped at least some. She was folksy, likable, and hot at the convention. It wasn't until she was unscripted and showed how dumb she was that she started to hurt the campaign.
 
meanwhile, I love this pic for showing the lovefest among global elites. They love themselves and each other. It presents a stark contrast with the current president, who loves the people
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GWB is not balding well.
 
'There's a dark side to American populism. Some people win elections tapping into it. I'm not one of those people.'

That is one of the reasons why he lost and why the current sitting President won.
 
There is a bright side to American populism. Some people win elections tapping into it.
I’m one of those people (that believes in this). This is the exact reason we have the current President.
 
I am still trying to figure out how wanting more equitable trade agreements is populism.
Are people who are whining about Trump revisiting our trade agreements and deals to get a more fair agreements for America and American workers OK with getting screwed by most of the rest of the world?
 
Mr. Deez said:
Again, that often happens in the days following the convention. If you look at the polls, the bump coincided with the convention, not the announcement of Palin being on the ticket. Nevertheless, I'm sure Palin initially helped at least some. She was folksy, likable, and hot at the convention. It wasn't until she was unscripted and showed how dumb she was that she started to hurt the campaign.
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I get what Schmidt is saying and don't disagree, but he sounds like a bit of handjob trying to evade responsibility. He was an advisor to McCain, and he was one of the people who pushed for Palin. Well, it was his job to know she was a ditz before pushing her onto the ticket - something that anybody could have figured out within five minutes of talking to her. So why didn't he do that? He didn't do it because he f'ed up.
 
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