Riots in Minneapolis

Speaking of buying favor, I see Congress will vote on H.B. 40 (for 40 acres and a mule, i.e. reparations) today. The Dems are determined to bankrupt America even as it burns in Minnesota and else where. I wonder how many white politicians will have the guts to vote it down?
 
Horns11 said:
Your Jerry Don story about the multiple shootings and carjackings... I mean... was he shot by cops? No? So he gets his trial, court date, punishment, etc. Of course bad stuff can go down at traffic stops. But Wright was shot by a cop who made a mistake, and Elders was not. It doesn't hurt the liberal narrative either that Elders also happens to be white.
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The Burleson officer NEVER HAD A CHANCE to return fire. Further, when Elders was apprehended, it was not while he was in the stolen vehicle. He had bailed to run into the woods, at which time I expect he heard something along the lines of "Elders, get your MF'ing *** on the ground before I blow it away." Yeah, you can expect body cam footage is going to contain less that professional direction and orders. But the bottom line is that it will ALSO show that Elders complied WITH the orders given.

I have not heard whether the K9 unit had been called out but most fleeing criminals in Texas ALSO know that, once the dogs are called and released, you WILL be bitten multiple times.

In some respects, this is the same sort of thing as when we had convicts on the fence when I worked for the prison system. The picket officer went through three steps- the direction to stop and drop, the warning shot and then the shot to the body. We had one in Lamesa that still kept running and got a fist-sized hole in his leg for his efforts...he didn't believe the picket officer would pull the trigger because he was in chopped-down cotton fields. He is the exception. MOST trying to escape promptly stop and drop once the warning shot was fired...

I have no doubt that Elders knew he is going to prison for the rest of his miserable life, but that a decade or so on the Row is STILL better than being carried out in a bag from what passes for the woods of Cooke County.
 
Clean said:
It's really stupid for a company like Ben & Jerry's to stick their necks out on social media. All it can do is piss off people like me, who used to buy their ice cream. Do they think they're buying themselves favor with the Leftist mob? It can't be done.
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B&J literally had the mission of being ice cream SJW's since day one. It's not like they're Coke and suddenly changed teams. I figured everyone knew that Ben and Jerry were hippies.
 
mb227 said:
The Burleson officer NEVER HAD A CHANCE to return fire. Further, when Elders was apprehended, it was not while he was in the stolen vehicle. He had bailed to run into the woods, at which time I expect he heard something along the lines of "Elders, get your MF'ing *** on the ground before I blow it away." Yeah, you can expect body cam footage is going to contain less that professional direction and orders. But the bottom line is that it will ALSO show that Elders complied WITH the orders given.

I have not heard whether the K9 unit had been called out but most fleeing criminals in Texas ALSO know that, once the dogs are called and released, you WILL be bitten multiple times.

In some respects, this is the same sort of thing as when we had convicts on the fence when I worked for the prison system. The picket officer went through three steps- the direction to stop and drop, the warning shot and then the shot to the body. We had one in Lamesa that still kept running and got a fist-sized hole in his leg for his efforts...he didn't believe the picket officer would pull the trigger because he was in chopped-down cotton fields. He is the exception. MOST trying to escape promptly stop and drop once the warning shot was fired...

I have no doubt that Elders knew he is going to prison for the rest of his miserable life, but that a decade or so on the Row is STILL better than being carried out in a bag from what passes for the woods of Cooke County.
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Again, I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with me or just shedding more light on the event.

If your implication is that officers can get shot in the line of duty, and thus, Potter was primed for deadly force against Wright, then I won't disagree with that. If we're being results-oriented, Wright wasn't as much of a threat as Elders was. There are a lot of circumstances to consider with Ofc. Lott as well (time of day, location, no backup, etc.).

Furthermore, when Elders was caught running... I'm not sure how we can twist that into "complying" with officers. Maybe you're right that he knew the game was up and decided he'd rather just lie down and get hauled off at that point. After, of course, attempting to murder a police officer, murdering a carjacked victim, and a litany of other things that Wright had not done (yet) when he was shot. While I haven't seen any footage of the Elders arrest, I don't think Wright's lack of compliance with trying to get back in the car even comes close to what Elders did.

Your warning shot story doesn't seem to apply to either situation here. Potter thought she was tasing Wright, which seemed reasonable from the video. She made a mistake, for which she should be held accountable.
 
I think what you want me to say is that the cop who shot her should also be brought up on charges, whether it's manslaughter or something like Potter is facing. I honestly don't know. I do believe that both Wright and Babbitt were "in the wrong" with their actions and that neither deserved to die for it.
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Ashli Babbit absolutely deserved to die. She was intent on physically harming government officials. Furthermore, if the police had done nothing, all of her compatriots would have stormed the area and assaulted the Congressmen.
 
Clean said:
Speaking of buying favor, I see Congress will vote on H.B. 40 (for 40 acres and a mule, i.e. reparations) today. The Dems are determined to bankrupt America even as it burns in Minnesota and else where. I wonder how many white politicians will have the guts to vote it down?
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What was the cost for 40 acres and a mule back then plus interest up till today? I bet it’s been paid already.
 
AB was part of a riotous mob and none of us know what her specific intent or goal was. She probably had no conscious desire other than to register opposition. When a dam breaks the water does not know where it is going or where it will end up

lots of drops in this flood and one got shot. Was that necessary? No. On calm reflection was it a plausible risk? Yes

did she expect it? No

cops over react frequently because what can go wrong and kill them is something they always have in mind

too bad she got killed. She should have stuck with voting and writing letters and deal with the reality that in politics in an electoral democracy you rarely get what you like
 
AustinHorn24 said:
Ashli Babbit absolutely deserved to die. She was intent on physically harming government officials. Furthermore, if the police had done nothing, all of her compatriots would have stormed the area and assaulted the Congressmen.
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And this is where I differ with a lot of "libs," which isn't even saying much compared to the average political leaning of this board.
 
AustinHorn24 said:
Ashli Babbit absolutely deserved to die. She was intent on physically harming government officials. Furthermore, if the police had done nothing, all of her compatriots would have stormed the area and assaulted the Congressmen.
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Do you support the suppression of the identity of the officer and, if so, why?

If Babbit had been a person of color and not an unarmed white female, would you still have asserted that she "deserved to die" and if not, what is the difference?

And when are you going to use some of the $GME options profits to sponsor? Or did you also lie about making bank on $GME?
 
AH?
What proof do you have Ashli intended to do physical harm.
A gun? Any weapon? Any social media rant saying that?

Seems you like to make up accusations to support your agenda
 
If Babbit deserved to die for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, Wright deserved to die for the same reason. Police can overreact to a situation, especially when it's a situation of your own making.
 
If Ashli Babbit was part of a mob of black protestors who stormed the capitol building, then I'd argue that the police should have mowed them down and sort out the bodies later.

A mob attacking the capitol is a much different scenario than somebody running away from the police. Now if there was a cop in front of that car, then by all means light up the driver.
 
mb227 said:
Do you support the suppression of the identity of the officer and, if so, why?

If Babbit had been a person of color and not an unarmed white female, would you still have asserted that she "deserved to die" and if not, what is the difference?

And when are you going to use some of the $GME options profits to sponsor? Or did you also lie about making bank on $GME?
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Yes if she was part of an antifa or BLM group that attacked the building, she should have been put down just the same as a white person.

BTW, please tell me what I "lied" about

I think it's hilarious that posters want to argue against my positions based on sponsorship. It's entertaining enough that I think I'll continue NOT to sponsor just out of pure entertainment value.
 
I don't think protesters should be mowed down. I don't support the property damage at the Capitol.

But citizens should be able to go into the Capitol and protest. The police should have left. Or they should have been enough police to keep protesters out while Congress was still there. But murdering citizens is beyond the pale.
 
AustinHorn24 said:
If Ashli Babbit was part of a mob of black protestors who stormed the capitol building, then I'd argue that the police should have mowed them down and sort out the bodies later.

A mob attacking the capitol is a much different scenario than somebody running away from the police. Now if there was a cop in front of that car, then by all means light up the driver.
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Ashli Babbit didn't "attack" the capital building anymore than BLM/Antifa rioters attacked the Federal Courthouse in Portland or that burned down police stations across the country.

Had Babbit been Black there would be riots over the cop not being charged.

The capitol building is just that. A building. A life was taken over "property." We've been told over and over again that people are more important than property to justify burning and looting.

Enough of the hypocrisy.
 
AustinHorn24 said:
Ashli Babbit absolutely deserved to die. She was intent on physically harming government officials. Furthermore, if the police had done nothing, all of her compatriots would have stormed the area and assaulted the Congressmen.
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Whether or not someone "deserves to die" (or more accurately, can be justifiably killed by law enforcement) has to do with the threat that person immediately poses. My understanding is that she was shot while climbing through a window and (and I could be wrong on this) that the place she was breaking into had been evacuated. So I'm not sure what the immediate threat to death and serious bodily injury she posed. I'm not saying she didn't "deserve to die," but it's not a slam dunk by any stretch.

AustinHorn24 said:
I think it's hilarious that posters want to argue against my positions based on sponsorship. It's entertaining enough that I think I'll continue NOT to sponsor just out of pure entertainment value.
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Lol! Obviously sponsorship has no bearing on your argument, but I'll admit that the sponsorship shaming cracks me up.
 
2003TexasGrad said:
Ashli Babbit didn't "attack" the capital building anymore than BLM/Antifa rioters attacked the Federal Courthouse in Portland or that burned down police stations across the country.
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I'll say this again so everyone can understand -- both the BLM protestors AND the Trump mob should have been put down before entering the building.

Had Babbit been Black there would be riots over the cop not being charged.

The capitol building is just that. A building. A life was taken over "property." We've been told over and over again that people are more important than property to justify burning and looting.

Enough of the hypocrisy.
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Again I'm not hypocritical at all. Shoot black folks if they charge the capitol. Shoot white folks too. I'm in favor of equal opportunity distribution of 0.223/5.56/9mm rounds

A lot of you guys want to shoot the BLM protestors who attack police stations while ignoring the white mob that stormed the capitol on Jan 6th

You guys are the hypocrites, not me.
 
OUBubba said:
Pence, Pelosi, AOC, etc
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Were any of those clowns in the chambers? If they were, that's on them for being that stupid.

There was no mention of the underground trams tot he office buildings being penetrated or invaded. Those would be much more difficult for the attackers to get to and control. Hell, even the Senate cafeteria doors are reinforced and lock.
 
At least A24 has values. Bad values yes, but he has his way. If I couldn’t afford to sponsor, I wouldn’t either.
 
SabreHorn said:
Were any of those clowns in the chambers? If they were, that's on them for being that stupid.

There was no mention of the underground trams tot he office buildings being penetrated or invaded. Those would be much more difficult for the attackers to get to and control. Hell, even the Senate cafeteria doors are reinforced and lock.
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There were people in the chamber when the Q idiot was shot, correct? I think Oklahoma's own MarkWayne was in there.
 
To be clear Dion runs this site almost single handedly works at another job and doesn't get paid to do this here at HF
If someone likes HF enough to come here and postswhy should't they contribute?

It is NOT sponsor shaming It is trying to help Dion to keep this place going. It is insulting to suggest othewrise.
 
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