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Ps your discussion is precisely why I was in favor of 6 teams, maybe 8 but not 12. That’s putting way to much on the players - unless they cut the regular season down which has all type of issues. In reality this pay to play coming at us may fit right in to the picture with less schools being able to keep up may mean regular season cut backs anyway. Likely will result in fewer schools competing in the end.
Who knows how this is going to end up?
 
Can't pay the players any more, or less, than the women's rowing team or tiddly-winks team, due to the Title 9 stuff.

No amount of statements about wear and tear from football compared to badminton will sway the day - and no school official would dare even think such a thought, lest they be branded as sexualists who dare discount the Struggles! and Efforts! of our brave women jocks (jockettes?).

Pay a football player a grand a month, all scholarship athletes would have to receive the same amount.
 
Pomspoms said:
I was just examining the newly proposed 12 team playoff format.
If I understand it right, seeds 5- 12, if one of them reaches the championship game will have played 4 playoff games to win it all. FOUR. (One game less for top 4 seeds) That's heavy-duty football against top teams. That's great for fans but terrible for players. This is not including the league championship game. That would be FIVE. WOO. that's a 17 game season. Isn't that asking too much?
But, selfishly, I am all for it.
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It does seem a long way from the 11 game regular season, plus a bowl, that we grew up on.

One of the big holdups for years in the NFL / Players union contract discussions was about a 17th game. The players didn't want it, but eventually traded it for being able to smoke dope via scaled back drug testing. You're body is destroyed further, but at least you can get high!
 
Duck Dodgers said:
Can't pay the players any more, or less, than the women's rowing team or tiddly-winks team, due to the Title 9 stuff.

No amount of statements about wear and tear from football compared to badminton will sway the day - and no school official would dare even think such a thought, lest they be branded as sexualists who dare discount the Struggles! and Efforts! of our brave women jocks (jockettes?).

Pay a football player a grand a month, all scholarship athletes would have to receive the same amount.
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How is a college going to be able to pay some, all male, athletes, and not pay all athletes, especially the women ones? Themes of how football is different, physically destroying, pays for all the other sports in a college, etc. will carry no weight compared to "They're discriminating against women!!!".

Pay one, gotta pay them all.

And expect cries of protest when most of the first product endorsements are all men, from the football and BB team.
 
nashhorn said:
They’ll find a way around it. Practice time, whatever but there will be a way.
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Taking away the league championship game seems pertinent. That's a start.
To keep this in perspective, however, only a small handful would play 15-17 games.
 
Duck Dodgers said:
Pay one, gotta pay them all.
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*********. Are they going to demand that women's basketball tickets cost as much as men's? Softball and baseball tickets cost the same?

Even Lupiano ain't that stupid (although she tries).

These kids will be able to negotiate the use of their likeness to the highest bidder or for the product they prefer - money grubbing Phil Knight over (using my best Martin Borman accent) "you vil conform to our political ideology if you cash our checks", aka, Adidas.

There was once a stellar document called "The Constitution", which says "all men are created equal". Great thought, but have you ever run a 4.4 forty, had a vertical of 40"+, benched 500+ pounds?

So, just like everyone coming out doesn't get the same starting pay, quality of job, or "guaranteed future", there will be discrepancy in compensation, at least until the morons inside the beltway (is there anyone else living there) ruin college sports.

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“Created” is the key word there Sabre. As a wise man once said “even start doesn’t account for much” or something similar.
 
SabreHorn said:
*********. Are they going to demand that women's basketball tickets cost as much as men's? Softball and baseball tickets cost the same?

Even Lupiano ain't that stupid (although she tries).

These kids will be able to negotiate the use of their likeness to the highest bidder or for the product they prefer - money grubbing Phil Knight over (using my best Martin Borman accent) "you vil conform to our political ideology if you cash our checks", aka, Adidas.

There was once a stellar document called "The Constitution", which says "all men are created equal". Great thought, but have you ever run a 4.4 forty, had a vertical of 40"+, benched 500+ pounds?

So, just like everyone coming out doesn't get the same starting pay, quality of job, or "guaranteed future", there will be discrepancy in compensation, at least until the morons inside the beltway (is there anyone else living there) ruin college sports.

:beertoast:
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I'm guessing here like everyone, but I don't see any way you can pay players at different rates based on the sport, and certainly not if all the ones receiving a salary are men.

It would be a dream come true for whinny women's groups to say "Men get money and women don't and UT hates women and I'm going to post #StopWomenHate!!! on Twatter and it'll trend and then we'll march to the president's office and sit and in occupy it and ....".

Pay one, pay them all, and the same rate. Not sure how that would impact school finances - how many scholarship athletes does Texas have? As with all of it, it will impact smaller schools more than the bigger ones.

I also expect businesses to get pressured into hiring women players from various sports as well, as it'll look sexualist to only have the football and men's BB players promoting restaurants and tire shops. But they won't be able to wear any UT logos or costumes, so no one will know who this random gal is who's extolling the virtues of some business.

Interesting times, and all part of a huge change in college sports. Since men's BB has had a head start on money in it all, via shoe companies and their huge contracts / bribes, I would expect football to head down a similar track as that. Lots of shopping around of players by agents if not the shoe companies themselves, immediate transfers if things don't work out, 1-2 years for any decent player then they're gone. College football will look very different in 5 years, and probably not for the better.
 
Saber, I think you are confusing stellar documents. It's the Declaration of Independence that declares that all men are created equal.
 
I contend same as I said when this sport killer was proposed, only way to do this is put money into a pool then divide end of year. If not that then hold all a players funds till they graduate - period. They leave it goes to the program.
 
Duck,

I perceive that you have never been involved in college athletics or understand the way it works.

Under the current system, football get 85 total scholarships. No other sport does. Each sport, including baseball, gets a block of money which is the equivalent to the number of scholarships the NCAA allows in that sport. The coaches then divide that money up among multiple players. Very few baseball players are on a total ride.

Sexist? Perhaps, but take away football, and there will be no women's programs.

Lupiano, who clearly can't understand normal thinking, proposed years ago that football be limited to 15 scholarships since "only eleven can play at a time".
 
That's all well and good - and neither Texas nor any other school is going to pay football players and not everyone else, including all the women players.

The grievance mongers went back to 1903 to fake up the Eyes of Texas as being racialist - they'd love the chance to say "Texas plays men but not women why does Texas hate women".

No amount of arguing about what sports actually make money for the school, and fund all the other sports, is going to be able to counter the wails of "you hate our girls and want them to starve while men get money and private jets".

Plus it's hardly like the UT administration has spines of anything except hot Playdo when it comes standing up against the grievance mongers. They'd have surrendered to the anti-Eyes rabble last year save for Alumni telling them the wallets were going to close for good if so.
 
Just to help clarify and support Duck....
I don't think he is stating what he thinks should happen or believes personally (just the opposite).....only where he thinks this likely heads based on our absurd cultural/sociological/political climate.
 
nashhorn said:
Same here Rain, would sure love to know the ‘behind the scenes’ on this one. I know it’s none of my business but I’m always curious when a Horn leaves with seemingly no provocation. But who knows?
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Heard Smith was very close with two players who are no longer on the team, one of them being Jake Ehlinger. If I was 1000 miles away from home, 20 years old, and one of my best buds passed away, I am not sure how I would react to that circumstance. But I can see someone wanting to consider a change of scenery because of it.
 
Who is that chick? Somebody please get a copy of USN&WR rankings and read it to her. She may go into cardiac arrest when she learns that A&M is not now, and never has been a Tier One academic institution. In fact, the rankings in Texas are Rice, Texas, SMU, aTm, but the two latter are in Tier Two.
 
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Although they never directly asked her how she quantified her comparison, she kept bringing up money and not tangible on the field results or academics...just money. Can't believe they didn't jump on the fact that all she could say is they have more money.

In fact, I would wager that all of them except her were not from Texas. Meaning, most outside of Texas associate Texas as the flagship school of the Great State.

Proves another point, you can't have a reasonable argument with an Aggie. It's always A&M is better than Texas...why? It just is. Oh, guess it's hard to argue with that :idk:
 
X Misn Tx said:
I'm still a fan of the 8-team. Top 4 get home games before Christmas. the semis and finals play out as usual. All P5 conf champs plus 1 G5 team plus 2 at-large.

Just one additional game.
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I came up with a plan a few years back that would reduce FBS to 8 ten team conferences. All would play a round-robin schedule eliminating CCG's which is the main reason why it'll never happen. Would also require massive realignment but would include the best teams from G5. ND would be part of a "New Big East" along with Penn State and other former members such as WV&VT.

A "Mountain Zone" conference with ASU,AZ,BYU,Utah,CO,Bosie,NEB and 3 others.
Teams not included from G5 would form a new division along with the best of FCS and play for their own championship. They could play 1"money game" against FBS.

Like I said will never happen so no need to lay out the whole thing.
 
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