Probable overturning of Roe v Wade

[theiioftx]

I read a twitter thread from a liberal former clerk. She thought it was a liberal leaker at first but then switched to thinking it was someone who was in the Thomas direction wanting to solidify the anti Roe camp. I certainly don't know.

I would be willing to bet it wasn't from the conservative side. Whoever did this, basically ended their legal career and potentially will be prosecuted. Only a looney liberal would set themselves on fire over something like this.

 

[OUBubba]

If you cannot see the seriousness of this action regardless of what side you support, there is nothing that can help you. Al Gore had not invented the internet yet in 1973.

It has happened more times than OU has won the Big 12 but not as many as they won the Big 8.

 

[theiioftx]

62-46-5.

And also probably less than OU's NCAA infractions.

 

[mb227]

I would be willing to bet it wasn't from the conservative side. Whoever did this, basically ended their legal career and potentially will be prosecuted. Only a looney liberal would set themselves on fire over something like this.

Word on the street is Amit Jain, a Sotomayor Clerk who was soon to return to India...

There is also a tie between him and the author of the Politico article that broke the story.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

To me I would think the smart thing would be to strongly dissuade abortion but to also make birth control readily available.

Except that all this abortion/birth control on demand is ultimately about whether we can <Sheldon Cooper> have coitus </Sheldon Cooper> with anybody we want, any time we want, but without consequences. That is an impossible task, just as impossible as assuming all young people won't "do it" if the opportunity arises. There will always be consequences, even if they are as minor as post-coital emotional distress. Sometimes the consequences can be significant.

Hormonal birth control can cause serious medical problems (side effects, if you will) for women.
Abortions can cause serious medical problems for women, and let's not kid ourselves. Most women (excepting those unbelievably callous people we have seen in vid clips recently) experience significant emotional trauma after getting an abortion. This may be delayed or experienced almost immediately.

Our societal goal really ought to be education about all aspects of sexual activity, including all of the negative potential outcomes. Further, it ought to be about restoring the sanctity of marriage and the virtue of monogamy.

 

[guy4321]

Well, fed courts did get it wrong, and horribly so. And so would many states. However, our legal system is constructed to leave such decisions to the individual states.

The moral battle to preserve and respect human life from conception to natural death can be fought at the state and local level.

I see. While there could be a federal law dealing with abortion, since there is not currently, you want states to regulate it.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I read a twitter thread from a liberal former clerk. She thought it was a liberal leaker at first but then switched to thinking it was someone who was in the Thomas direction wanting to solidify the anti Roe camp. I certainly don't know.

Very unlikely to have come from the conservative side. It doesn't solidify anything for them. What it really does is invite liberal outrage and intimidation on center-Right justices like Roberts and Kavanaugh to try to get one or both of them not to join the majority opinion - kinda like what happened with Casey.

 

[theiioftx]

I don’t put it last Sotamayor to be the guilty one.

 

[TaylorTRoom]

I’m an adoptive father, and so I ask for people to not ask me to be unbiased on the abortion issue. That said- I can see a libertarian argument that you can’t force a woman to carry another life in her body, even if she helped make it.

I believe that the idea that something “happens” through a natural delivery, that bestows rights on a baby they previously were denied is a modern update to the medieval concept of “quickening” and is irrational.

I see a libertarian argument that when a woman decides she doesn’t want to have another life in her, but that baby is capable of surviving on its own (with the help given to newborn babies, of course; none of them are texting Uber Eats), then the baby should be removed in a manner that doesn’t kill it.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I don’t put it last Sotamayor to be the guilty one.

Far more likely to be her clerk, though I'm sure she's happy about it.

 

[OUBubba]

More SCOTUS leaks recently?: Has there been a leak from the Supreme Court in Bostock?

 

[Mr. Deez]

I’m an adoptive father, and so I ask for people to not ask me to be unbiased on the abortion issue. That said- I can see a libertarian argument that you can’t force a woman to carry another life in her body, even if she helped make it.

I believe that the idea that something “happens” through a natural delivery, that bestows rights on a baby they previously were denied is a modern update to the medieval concept of “quickening” and is irrational.

I see a libertarian argument that when a woman decides she doesn’t want to have another life in her, but that baby is capable of surviving on its own (with the help given to newborn babies, of course; none of them are texting Uber Eats), then the baby should be removed in a manner that doesn’t kill it.

There is a libertarian argument in favor of abortion rights. It's basically the same argument that the Court applied in Dred Scott to justify slavery.

But none of that is the issue before the Court. The issue is who decides whether to accept that libertarian argument. Should it be made by the people's elected officials, or should it be made by unelected but ideological judges completely unrestrained and untethered from the written law? The Roe supporters believe in the latter.

 

[OUBubba]

There is a libertarian argument in favor of abortion rights. It's basically the same argument that the Court applied in Dred Scott to justify slavery.

But none of that is the issue before the Court. The issue is who decides whether to accept that libertarian argument. Should it be made by the people's elected officials, or should it be made by unelected but ideological judges completely unrestrained and untethered from the written law? The Roe supporters believe in the latter.

I think it's a decision that shouldn't vary by state. It seems to me that when life begins is a question that should be answered for all states equally.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Should it be made by the people's elected officials, or should it be made by unelected but ideological judges completely unrestrained and untethered from the written law? The Roe supporters believe in the latter.

Only so long as the ideological judges agree with them.

 

[bystander]

I think it's a decision that shouldn't vary by state. It seems to me that when life begins is a question that should be answered for all states equally.

The problem is that the Left believes a woman is more important than a viable baby in the womb. The woman is sacred. The baby is not.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

The woman is sacred.

No. To the left, the woman's freedom to screw without consequence is sacred. It doesn't matter if another, very small person has to die.

EDIT: The left will throw a woman overboard as soon as she fails to spout leftist ideology. This is why I say the left doesn't hold the woman sacred.

 

[mchammer]

Remember, if Roe is overturned, one man rose to the occasion to make it happen: Donald J. Trump.

Trump was first president to speak at the Right to Life March. Others just phoned it in (literally).

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

Trump made this possible. I prefer DeSantis now, but DJT was mostly responsible for this to come about.

Look what DJT turns liberals into. Death threats to a USSC Justice, physical threats, and now ou bubba on page one of this thread speaks of chicken *******. I mean, does it get any better than this? Meltdowns all around.

 

[Horn6721]

Bubba
I agree with much of what you said.
But birth control is readily available and even free. That is not an issue.
But people still have to use the birth control for it to work.
Do you think Oklahoma would enact laws that would mimic Roe v Wade?

 

[Mr. Deez]

I think it's a decision that shouldn't vary by state. It seems to me that when life begins is a question that should be answered for all states equally.

Coach, many on the Right agree with you here (though obviously on the side of life beginning at conception). I understand the sentiment, but that isn't the system our founding fathers gave us. They didn't want the biggest and most contentious issues being decided nationally. Other than issues set forth in Art. I, Sec. 8, they intended for state and local leaders to decide pretty much all issues, even contentious, fundamental issues like when life begins.

I may have my own views on when life begins (and therefore when abortion should be legal or illegal), but it's not my place to dictate what states that disagree with me might do on the issue, so long as they accept my state's right to its own position. I may find abortion to be a moral depravity of historic proportions, but if California, New York, and Massachusetts think life begins at birth, that's their right. I don't have a right to force my own view on them. That's how civil wars start.

 

[Mr. Deez]

now ou bubba on page one of this thread speaks of chicken *******.

To be fair, his level of expertise on the matter is probably quite extensive.

 

[Horn6721]

Mr D
I agree. Let us at state level decide.
It is disturbing though that some states have or are considering allowing a born alive baby to die rather than give medical treatment. Heck obama voted for infanticide while in Ill legislature .

 

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[Horn6721]

Ben Carson asked if these aren't babies being aborted why are they harvesting the organs?

 

[mchammer]

 

[bystander]

Where the Liberals lose me is their vicious sanctimony about the right to kill a viable baby. They are so full of themselves that they are outraged that THEIR MORAL (this is the sick part) POSITION is being challenged.

 

[OUBubba]

Where the Liberals lose me is their vicious sanctimony about the right to kill a viable baby. They are so full of themselves that they are outraged that THEIR MORAL (this is the sick part) POSITION is being challenged.

I think you're spouting a minority thought on the issue as a majority opinion. I think an overwhelming majority of liberals do NOT want that. I mean my liberal circle is tight in eastern OK but I don't know anyone who would support that.

 

[Horn6721]

Bubba
Your lib friends wouldn't support what?

 

[bystander]

I think you're spouting a minority thought on the issue as a majority opinion. I think an overwhelming majority of liberals do NOT want that. I mean my liberal circle is tight in eastern OK but I don't know anyone who would support that.

I'm just reading what Biden, Schumer, AOC, Warren, Sanders et al are saying. Then there's tweets all over of shrieking ("I cried all night") Liberals. They think Republicans are monsters for giving the right back to the states.