Post-Trump GOP

[theiioftx]

I flip through all news at the top of the hour. Tonight CNN and MSNBC both focused on Trump. I hope they keep it up. I like Trump policy, but not Trump himself. The dumb left media will help Desantis or another conservative win office in 2024 with both houses being Republican. Then let’s start an authoritarian form of government.

 

[OUBubba]

Do you have data to backup that claim? Turnout is always down in non-POTUS election cycles. From what I saw Youngkin actually did BETTER than a Trump ballot in rural areas (margin, not turnout) which begs the question about which Trump's influence actually was on the race? Keep in mind, Youngkin worked hard up until the final week to separate himself from Trump.

From what I hear on my liberal podcasts is that McCaulife focused too much on Trump and those in the middle from both parties (the ones that elected Biden by 10 points) didn't like some of his flippant commentary about school curriculum.

They actually bought an advertisement of Trump supporting Youngkin.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

It is not flippant to tell parents they have no right to question what the schools are teaching their children.

 

[OUBubba]

It is not flippant to tell parents they have no right to question what the schools are teaching their children.

If you think that's what's happening then you're as gullible as the rest of the world on CRT in primary education.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

That is what McCauliff said. It doesn't matter if the subject is CRT or The Holy Bible.

Parents have a right (and a duty) to question the school board and all bureaucrats involved in setting the curriculum to which their children will be subjected.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

If you think that's what's happening then you're as gullible as the rest of the world on CRT in primary education.

Are you kidding? He said parents should have no say in curriculum and you think thats flippant and we're gullible? Wow.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Parents do have a say in curriculum. They elect the School Board. If they don't like the performance of the school board they can elect different members.

Allowing parents to have a direct say in each individual schools curriculum would be chaos. I'm certain Vol Horn 4 Life would have a different perspective on the curriculum than I would. How do you balance our perspectives? I have an idea...let our elected representatives manage it.

A child's academic success is directly proportional to a parents involvement/support. That doesn't mean parents get direct control over the content of the curriculum. Write your checks, help the kids with their homework, give them complimentary life experiences outside of school and advocate for your child up to HS to the administration. That's supporting your child.

School is hard enough for kids as it is without polarized parents turning it into the next cultural battleground.

 

[OUBubba]

Thank the Good Lord that we're all getting textbooks tailored for Texans. lol

 

[Garmel]

Thank the Good Lord that we're all getting textbooks tailored for Texans. lol

Could be worse. They could have been tailored for Okies.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

Allowing parents to have a direct say in each individual schools curriculum would be chaos. I'm certain Vol Horn 4 Life would have a different perspective on the curriculum than I would. How do you balance our perspectives? I have an idea...let our elected representatives manage it.

Lol, the voters spoke and followed your suggestion voting the governor out who said parents should have no say. Parents are the most passive group I've ever seen when school is involved so when they start speaking up at school board meetings its a real problem. The PURPOSE of these meetings is to get parent and public feedback yet they repeatedly told those people to shut up. Thats tyrrany at its core. The school boards need to listen. I hope the local districts vote out the bad seeds when the time comes, but history proves they vote the comfortable choice who they know.

What you are suggesting with voting is what happened but you are also saying what happened is wrong. Do you not see the flaw in your logic?

 

[Seattle Husker]

Lol, the voters spoke and followed your suggestion voting the governor out who said parents should have no say. Parents are the most passive group I've ever seen when school is involved so when they start speaking up at school board meetings its a real problem. The PURPOSE of these meetings is to get parent and public feedback yet they repeatedly told those people to shut up. Thats tyrrany at its core. The school boards need to listen. I hope the local districts vote out the bad seeds when the time comes, but history proves they vote the comfortable choice who they know.

Not sure if I'd agree that "parent are passive" narrative. It depends on the school district though. In the more affluent districts the parents are VERY involved, too involved at least in some areas. For less affluent (Rural or Inner City) districts yes the parent involvement isn't as strong.

For the record, I don't have a problem with parents speaking up at School Board Meetings. That's what those forums are for. That doesn't given a parent license to threaten bodily harm or other physically accost a school board member though. Make your voice heard in a respectful but logical argument and that's the Democratic way.

What you are suggesting with voting is what happened but you are also saying what happened is wrong. Do you not see the flaw in your logic?

You'll need to let me in on what you are referring to when you claim this:
"you are also saying what happened is wrong". What do you think I said is wrong?

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

Not sure if I'd agree that "parent are passive" narrative. It depends on the school district though. In the more affluent districts the parents are VERY involved, too involved at least in some areas. For less affluent (Rural or Inner City) districts yes the parent involvement isn't as strong.

Any time a parent is involved in their kids education its good. Affluent areas are generally aligned as a result. Its the other 90% where parents generally just allow school boards do what they do.

That doesn't given a parent license to threaten bodily harm or other physically accost a school board member though.

This is never ok, however if board members refuse to listen what should they do in a non election year to get their attention?

You'll need to let me in on what you are referring to when you claim this:
"you are also saying what happened is wrong". What do you think I said is wrong?

I assumed you said Virginia voters were wrong when voting out the dem because he said parents should have no say. Did you?

 

[Seattle Husker]

This is never ok, however if board members refuse to listen what should they do in a non election year to get their attention?

There is always a recall option. The School Board isn't 1 person. Typically you have 5-7 people. If you can't convince a majority to follow your view then you might want to reevaluate whether you represent the majority or are actually a minority view.

I assumed you said Virginia voters were wrong when voting out the dem because he said parents should have no say. Did you?

I made no judgement on the Virginia voters. I do think the education issue was bigger than it deserved to be BUT McAuliffe was VERY un-artful in his response which he deserved to get beat up for. Overall all Democrats took a shellacking so I'm reticent to lay that at the feet of any singular candidate or issue.

 

[OUBubba]

Could be worse. They could have been tailored for Okies.

And that’s why I could drink a tall, cold one with you. well done.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Could be worse. They could have been tailored for Okies.

I can see the math problems now.

1) Alice bought 24 tabs of meth for her babydaddy RoNeal. (Leftist agenda satisfied - no marriage or muclear family depicted, mixed race couple implied) When she stopped in at the Kwik-E-Mart to get a Mountain Dew and a bag of Doritos, Quinn the Eskimo (multiculturalism introduced) saw the tabs, busted out her front window and jacked 13 of them as she exited the store. She chased him down and he dropped 5 of the tabs before escaping into the trailer park across the street. Alice recovered the 5 tabs. How many meth tabs did Alice take to RoNeal?
Bonus question: How many teeth will RoNeal lose after he has taken all of the tabs Alice brought?
Bonus question 2: How many teeth will Alice lose when RoNeal flies into a rage because she didn't arrive with all 24 tabs?

2) The trailer park where Quinn the Eskimo lives was hit by two tornadoes last week. One tornado lasted 4 minutes and took out 23 of the finest single wides in the area. The second tornado lasted only two minutes and took out another 7 trailers. How many trailers in total were destroyed?
Bonus question: How much meth money can Quinn get if he collected all the scrap aluminum from the destroyed trailers and sold it at the scrap yard?

 

[Garmel]

I can see the math problems now.

1) Alice bought 24 tabs of meth for her babydaddy RoNeal. (Leftist agenda satisfied - no marriage or muclear family depicted, mixed race couple implied) When she stopped in at the Kwik-E-Mart to get a Mountain Dew and a bag of Doritos, Quinn the Eskimo (multiculturalism introduced) saw the tabs, busted out her front window and jacked 13 of them as she exited the store. She chased him down and he dropped 5 of the tabs before escaping into the trailer park across the street. Alice recovered the 5 tabs. How many meth tabs did Alice take to RoNeal?
Bonus question: How many teeth will RoNeal lose after he has taken all of the tabs Alice brought?
Bonus question 2: How many teeth will Alice lose when RoNeal flies into a rage because she didn't arrive with all 24 tabs?

2) The trailer park where Quinn the Eskimo lives was hit by two tornadoes last week. One tornado lasted 4 minutes and took out 23 of the finest single wides in the area. The second tornado lasted only two minutes and took out another 7 trailers. How many trailers in total were destroyed?
Bonus question: How much meth money can Quinn get if he collected all the scrap aluminum from the destroyed trailers and sold it at the scrap yard?

Yep. But most of all the Okie textbook has to include tips for everyday living in Mobilehoma. Things like:

How to eat properly without teeth or dentures

Which brands of cough syrup make the best meth

How to hide and camouflage your still

 

[OUBubba]

You forgot:

how to level a motor home with pallets, a cookie sheet, and a marble.
Wheel resale tips (OEM and custom)
Copper plumbing mining.
Debit card spoofing.
How to thrive around the casino.
Casino adjacent business ideas.
The 411 on marijuana “medical” sales.

 

[Mr. Deez]

From what I hear on my liberal podcasts is that McCaulife focused too much on Trump and those in the middle from both parties (the ones that elected Biden by 10 points) didn't like some of his flippant commentary about school curriculum.

They actually bought an advertisement of Trump supporting Youngkin.

This is true but incomplete. Yes, the attempt to say every Republican is Donald Trump is a bad strategy most of the time. It might work if your opponent is Josh Hawley or MTG, but it's not going to work if the opponent is a state or local candidate who has never had a significant connection with national politics.

The "flippant commentary" was suggesting that parents have no right to influence what their kids are taught in schools. It's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard a politician say. Even if he believes that (and I think he does), saying it was moronic - worse than the 47 percent comment, on a par with "lay back and enjoy it." It's a career-killer. It especially doesn't help when he's publicly hanging out with Randi Weingarten, who personifies the comment more than pretty much anybody.

I think the CRT issue is a tough one for Democrats. Denying that it exists in public schools and then getting pedantic about what CRT means to insult the people who are concerned isn't smart. For starters, some school districts and agencies actually have it discussed as something to promote on their websites, and parents see it with their own eyes during virtual schools and on the agendas of school boards. Nobody buys the "it's fake" narrative. You all seem to think that if it doesn't perfectly match Kimberle Crenshaw's definition or if Derek Bell isn't on a reading list, then it's a phony issue. Thinking that is to your own peril. People see the preaching of the "systemic racism" and "America is white supremacist" crap pushed in public education, and they don't like it. It doesn't matter if it fits the academic definition of CRT, and getting caught up in that sort of nitpicking isn't going to work as a political strategy. It just looks smug and patronizing.

However, Democrats are in a tough spot. They know they need to tap the brakes, but how can they do that? They've latched onto and celebrated the pushers of the "America is white supremacist" narrative for several years. If they try to tap the brakes a little, then they are enabling white supremacy. There isn't an easy way through. You flew the freak flag too high and for too long.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

BUT McAuliffe was VERY un-artful in his response

He said what he meant and you call it "Un-artful"?

 

[Garmel]

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

 

[Monahorns]

Blake Masters the blueprint for the post-Trump GOP as long as he can address issues thoughtfully and keep aggressive like his adds. No compromise on freedom.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Two things can be true at once. Masters is dumb to be haggling over the 2020 election. And the Lincoln Project can be a bunch of clowns with no credibility.

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

the GOP is in a great position thanks to Dem's overreach and Biden's idiocy. The thing that might blow the lead we have is DJT. He is the one polarizing GOP albatross that might be significant enough to blow our lead. I really hope he can bite his tongue thru November 2022. But he won't. that jackass is going to try to primary his "enemies" and claim credit where absolutely zero is due.

He is the one person that can split the GOP and simultaneously unite Dem's and many independents. We are so much better off when he just shuts his mouth.

 

[OUBubba]

the GOP is in a great position thanks to Dem's overreach and Biden's idiocy. The thing that might blow the lead we have is DJT. He is the one polarizing GOP albatross that might be significant enough to blow our lead. I really hope he can bite his tongue thru November 2022. But he won't. that jackass is going to try to primary his "enemies" and claim credit where absolutely zero is due.

He is the one person that can split the GOP and simultaneously unite Dem's and many independents. We are so much better off when he just shuts his mouth.

I agree. It will be interesting to see how the Dems respond. Virginia and NJ were wake up calls. Notice that the far left aginners got in line quickly after those elections and they actually passed something that required bipartisanship.

Trump is like one of the zombies from Wolrd War Z. You've got to really kill it. After 1/6 he was like one of the zombies from the Walking Dead with his teeth removed. He was exposed. That was the GOP's chance to end the madness with minimal blood on their hands but they didn't take the shot.

 

[Garmel]

It amazes me how Trump lives in the minds of RINOs and libs. Just absolutely crazy.

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

It amazes me how Trump lives in the minds of RINOs and libs. Just absolutely crazy.

I guess that's directed at me. So you're suggesting that I'm just reliving old crap and I'm figuratively pulling an old guy out of his rocking chair to crap on him for no reason. Hmmmm...seems to me that your guy is the one that can't let sleeping dogs lie. Bad mouthing McCain years after his death. badmouthing Powell after he's dead. Trump is trying position himself for another run so he is still very much a part of the conversation....UNFORTUNATELY.

 

[Garmel]

I guess that's directed at me. So you're suggesting that I'm just reliving old crap and I'm figuratively pulling an old guy out of his rocking chair to crap on him for no reason. Hmmmm...seems to me that your guy is the one that can't let sleeping dogs lie. Bad mouthing McCain years after his death. badmouthing Powell after he's dead. Trump is trying position himself for another run so he is still very much a part of the conversation....UNFORTUNATELY.

Yes, but he isn't doing much of anything now and he's still living in your brain. You feel a need to blame Trump for every failure in this party. However, if a Trump supporter wins such as the new Virginia governor, it's because Trump stayed in the background.

 

[OUBubba]

This is the idiocy that you folks are fighting.

 

[OUBubba]

Yes, but he isn't doing much of anything now and he's still living in your brain. You feel a need to blame Trump for every failure in this party. However, if a Trump supporter wins such as the new Virginia governor, it's because Trump stayed in the background.

He tried so hard to get into the foreground. The left actually purchased ads of trump supporting youngkin. Someone should have a few dents in their shins after that idiocy. Mcauliffe run against Trump and it irritated reasonable people.

 

[Garmel]

He tried so hard to get into the foreground. The left actually purchased ads of trump supporting youngkin. Someone should have a few dents in their shins after that idiocy. Mcauliffe run against Trump and it irritated reasonable people.

The myth that Trump is unpopular got a huge kick in the pants.