Osama Death Picture

Accuratehorn, there is a big difference between the Obama birth certificate fiasco and 911 truthers.

I consider myself a mainstream/moderate truther. I know that planes hit the buildings.

However, the planes bringing down the buildings isnt even the main point in my book (although I do have my doubts they were the SOLE cause). The complete and utter failure of the intelligence of this country, the looking the other way time after time when people were on the trail of the highjackers, the back dealing prior to the attacks, the shoddy investigation that was actually done on 911 and afterwards...

I believe that our government knew 911 was going to happen and may even have been complicit in allowing or making sure it would happen. Our entire foreign and domestic way of life has changed dramatically as a result of 911. We are engaged in a never ending war on terror against an enemy that is an ideology, not a country specific group of peoples.

The actual details of the planes, the pentagon or the airphone calls are not the issue. There are absolutely questions regarding those events and the people in charge of investigating them and overseeing them, but they are periphery to the main point. I believe Bush and Cheney allowed 911 to occur.

For people to think that our leaders could never do such a thing, I ask you to look at Hitler, Stalin, Saddam and any other corrupt leaders and ask how they could be responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of their own people.
 
Wasnt bin Laden supposedly sick with Kidney disease...... 10 freaking years ago? I remember hearing how he needed a dialysis machine back then.

I recall after the raid the news reporting that there were no dialysis machines found in the "lair" or "compound" or whatever else you want to call that dump.

Any doctors on hornfans that can enlighten at least me as to what his condition would likely be 10 years after 911?
 
Thanks for the correction on Chuck Todd's tweet. NBC quoting CBS and got it wrong. what a surprise


I don't think the photos need to be released. But then I didn't think the the Gov't should have been forced to release pics of Abu Ghraib either even though many on here called for their release. Some of the same people who called for the release of those photos are now against release of OBL photos.

Since the argument then and now is that the release will inflame radical muslims why the change of opinion?
 
I understand the concern with our USA image.

We have a President who did something AMAZING. The plan worked almost flawlessly.

The plan was to use small arms to attack with the intent of collecting pertinent evidence to the project. The plan was to kill or secure Bin Laden. They did not want to just bomb the compound and possibly destroy any evidence to his presence and death. Again, the plan was to secure evidence in an effort to disprove any OUTSIDE influence that might try to discredit any validity of his capture or death.

The plan was successfully executed.

Then IDIOTS became involved.

Again the plan was twofold . . . capture/kill Bin Laden -AND- prove that it occurred.

Part-One o the plan occurred. Part-Two of the plan was ****** up by our administration.

1. Misinformation was provided to the public.
2. Bin Laden's body was eliminated.
3. Photographic evidence will not be released.

For me to believe that Bin Laden was killed, I must use my own ignorant judgement of FACTS to select which statements to believe that were provided by an administration that has already befittingly provided falsehoods. I cannot rely on anything that I have seen to make any rational conclusion, because anything relevant was either purposely destroyed or is purposely being held from my view.

I MUST draw a conclusion that Bin Laden is dead. I do so believing that this administration is OK with intentionally misleading me on the initial facts. I must also ignore the fact that ***ALL*** evidence to prove the death is intentionally destroyed or is being kept from me. I must also conclude that I am a nobody that does not deserve to to see any of the evidence. My government is smarter than me and knows what is best for me, since I am a nobody.

One last point . . . I must also believe that this administration is withholding everything in the best interest of our country. So, what I have learned from this administration is that killing someone will not disturb any outside influences, but showing a picture of this person killed will ONLY lead to dismay.


Surely, you can see that these numerous contradictions only make us appear foolish and embarrassingly weak.

So, the plan was to kill Bin Laden and then provide zero evidence to the World??? I am so confused with this.
 
the fact that you have a problem with it makes me know that Obama made the right decision.
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yo, you do not see the contradictions in the WH wanting to release photos of prisoner abuse that occured during the bush administration when there were calls from every corner that it might incite violence or hurt american troops? The call from the left was, "the people have a right to know." Now the obama is using the same excuse that the photos could incite vioence. i'm just looking for a shred of consistency from the WH on its decisons.
 
He did a good job of lying, he always does, he's very practiced you know. He did a good job once again of refusing to release information. He did a good job of destroying evidence.
 
UT Dude has given the best outline of issues on this thread.

What I cannot understand is why we are releasing SO MUCH information.

One day after the raid I hear that we collected a MOTHERLOAD of data from OBL's computers. Why in the hell would we announce that to the world? Make no sense at all other than trying to score political points.
 
I think their organization would assume anything in the compound was compromised. What they may not know is exactly what was in the compound, perhaps overstating what was taken causes further confusion to the enemy.

I guess this thing is going to be nitpicked to death.
 
Give us a ballpark percentage, in your opinion, that Osama is actually dead.

I mean, are you going with philosophical doubt to the level of cogito ergo sum or what?
 
Osama is dead. Our military & President get an A+.

The photos should be released. Not so much for US consumption but for people in the Middle East. Many there will never believe we killed him no matter what we do. Others will & that is good. His supporters need to know we will continue to come after people who attack the US. It may take time but eventually justice will be delivered.
 
anybody that thinks releasing photos will "prove" that OBL is dead is ******* stupid.

I can send out a photo in 10 minutes that will demonstrate Rick Perry is losing his hair. It will be fake, but it will look real.

It proves nothing.
 
bigwill, the WH is not releasing the photos because they do not want to "spike the football"...they are concerned about muslim nutballs who would kill us regardless of the photos. to think the muslim nuts will be appreciative is f'in stupid.

imo, the photos will be released in the near future. FOIA
 
I doubt the release of photos would spark much more than the killing will, but I completely understand the White House position. It is a reasonable one.

I see it as a 50/50 proposition, and if that's the decision they chose, so be it. I have no criticism of it.

Personally, however, I wish they would release at least some footage, just to satisfy my morbid curiosity. It isn't like we haven't seen plenty of other gruesome photos - Nazi concentration camps; Saddam & his sons - or hell, just about any news coverage on the Mexican news stations; those guys will broadcast just about anything.
 
word is that videos "day in the life of UBL" will be release. is that spiking the football?

can't wait for mike moore or oliver stone to do a film showing the "softer side" of UBL and how the "USA used him". popcorn for sure
 
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