Obama's parting gifts to the American people

[texas_ex2000]

If effective ... it was CHEAP.

PROBABLY gonna be a lot more of that in the near future. If done effectively ... that TOO will be CHEAP. A LOT less costly than another 3000 lives lost.

ATTACK!

Any other strike system to deliver 100 precision guided munitions would have been much more costly and complicated. Plus the B2s can do on-station BDA. It took 2 B2s - folks, that's nuts.

Before you know it though, we'll have strategic bomber UCAVs.

 

[Seattle Husker]

if there's one thing I've finally learned ... this isn't your Daddy's POTUS.

Guess the rating has no where to go but up, eh?

Not exactly...it can go down. Every POTUS but Kennedy on the list has hit a low point in the 20-39% range. Look at Congress for an example of how low it can go although I wager that every individual in Congress would have an approval rating above the 14% that they currently have as a body. In their case, the sum of their parts is less than the individual.

 

[Joe Fan]

Obama's parting gift to Trump is that the economy is objectively in a much better position than when he entered office in 2009.

By what standard?

The 2016 Unemployment Rate 2016 averaged 4.9%
Bush's last year was 5.8% -- however, the rate would have been 3.3% had the workforce been so small as it is now

Average Unemployment Rate
5.20% Clinton
5.26% Bush
7.46% Obama (despite millions leaving the workforce; thus helping to reduce the rate)

However, if we use use U-6, which is probably more realistic since it is a broader measure, which does not count those who fully left the workforce --
9.02% Clinton
9.16% Bush
13.68% Obama
Noting that the labor participation rate is at its lowest since WW1

 

[Joe Fan]

Obama's parting gift to Trump is that the economy is objectively in a much better position than when he entered office in 2009.

By what standard?

Obama is the first US president in history whose time in office did not include at least one year of real GDP growth at 3%

http://www.aei.org/spotlight/the-obama-economy-perry/

 

[Joe Fan]

Obama's parting gift to Trump is that the economy is objectively in a much better position than when he entered office in 2009.

By what standard?

Not GDP growth
Using GDP growth, Obama's economic record is the worst of any US president in at least the last 60 years

 

[Joe Fan]

More --

What jobs that were created under Obama were primarily part-time restaurant jobs.

'Participation' in the US is still getting big boost from plunge in the number of employed exiting the labor force each month

 

[Joe Fan]

Obama's parting gift to Trump is that the economy is objectively in a much better position than when he entered office in 2009.

Look at the areas of the US economy that did have some growth under BHO, and tell me what you see.

What I see is fake growth -- government in the economy growth -- centrally planned (or mandated) growth. It is not sustainable. Doesnt work. Never has, never will. Ask the Soviets. Or the British 1950s, 60s and 70s. Ask the Cubans or the Venezuelans today. Ask anyone.

 

[Seattle Husker]

By what standard?

The 2016 Unemployment Rate 2016 averaged 4.9%
Bush's last year was 5.8% -- however, the rate would have been 3.3% had the workforce been so small as it is now

Average Unemployment Rate
5.20% Clinton
5.26% Bush
7.46% Obama (despite millions leaving the workforce; thus helping to reduce the rate)

However, if we use use U-6, which is probably more realistic since it is a broader measure, which does not count those who fully left the workforce --
9.02% Clinton
9.16% Bush
13.68% Obama
Noting that the labor participation rate is at its lowest since WW1

Do you know what was conveniently missing in every one of your slides? A trendline for each POTUS heading into office. Unless you believe in magic wands or that aircraft carriers can turn on a dime then you have to consider the situation each POTUS was handed. Of course you want to focus only on averages because you get the benefit of 2009, 2010 and into 2011 when the housing crisis was at it's xenith. Of course, you're likely laying that at Obama's feet also.

 

[Joe Fan]

Obama's parting gift to Trump is that the economy is objectively in a much better position than when he entered office in 2009.

Again, by what standard?
These are Fed numbers, almost current
Show me which chart(s) supports your claim above?
Clock once to enlarge

 

[Joe Fan]

Do you know what was conveniently missing in every one of your slides? A trendline for each POTUS heading into office. .....

Do you think no one notices you change your factual claim?

 

[Seattle Husker]

More --

What jobs that were created under Obama were primarily part-time restaurant jobs.

'Participation' in the US is still getting big boost from plunge in the number of employed exiting the labor force each month

This one always cracks me up. Now baby boomers retiring are Obama's fault too. I'm not saying that's the full amount but it's the elephant in the room for this statistic.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Do you think no one notices you change your factual claim?

I see your accusation and I raise you in a language you understand.

 

[Joe Fan]

.......Unless you believe in magic wands or that aircraft carriers can turn on a dime then you have to consider the situation each POTUS was handed. ......

Oh, we know, nothing is ever Barrack's fault,,,,,,
Look, 8 years is long enough.

Admit the truth. He was a social worker (what we used to call them) who never took a macro economics class in his entire life. When it came to the US economy, he had no idea what he was doing. No clue. He was certainly plenty arrogant about something he did not understand.

 

[Joe Fan]

This one always cracks me up. Now baby boomers retiring are Obama's fault too. I'm not saying that's the full amount but it's the elephant in the room for this statistic.

I asked for your standard, you reply with excuses

 

[Seattle Husker]

Oh, we know, nothing is ever Barrack's fault,,,,,,
Look, 8 years is long enough.

I've never said that have have chimed in multiple time on this board in critical discussions.

Admit the truth. He was a social worker (what we used to call them) who never took a macro economics class in his entire life. When it came to the US economy, he had no idea what he was doing. No clue. He was certainly plenty arrogant about something he did not understand.

You give the POTUS too much credit and will make the same mistake with Trump, unless he does poorly which then you'll be ready with amusing excuse gifs, I'm sure.

 

[Joe Fan]

Here is your original factual claim
And, again, I ask, by what standard?
What economic facts do you have to support your claim?

Obama's parting gift to Trump is that the economy is objectively in a much better position than when he entered office in 2009.

 

[Joe Fan]

....
You give the POTUS too much credit and will make the same mistake with Trump, unless he does poorly which then you'll be ready with amusing excuse gifs, I'm sure.

Trump is going to boost GDP.
I dont know if it will show in year one (Reagan's Year One was also rough), but it will over the next 4.
What other 'OBJECTIVE" standard are you referring to?
Be clear what you mean.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Here is your original factual claim
And, again, I ask, by what standard?
What economic facts do you have to support your claim?

Notice a pattern? The economy was crashing when Obama stepped into office by any measure. Obama and Congress (they were needed for the Auto bailout) pulled us out of that tailspin (via credit card...debt).

Now compare that against the world.

 

[Joe Fan]

Notice a pattern? The economy was crashing when Obama stepped into office by any measure. Obama and Congress (they were needed for the Auto bailout) pulled us out of that tailspin (via credit card...debt).

Above, I already shown avg per Q GDP growth for all Presidents for the last 60 years
Obama's was THE WORST of any of them
Worse than W!
You seem to have trouble grasping these facts, but using GDP kills your own argument.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Above, I already shown avg GDP growth about for all Presidents for the last 60 years
Obama's was THE WORST of any of them
Worse than W!
You seem to have trouble grasping these facts, but using GDP kills your own argument.

Yeah...ask yourself why you are showing the average. You assume the economy tanked in 2009 because of Obama's actions. You're too smart to believe that so I can only assume you are feigning ignorance.

You must consider John F. Kennedy to best economic POTUS ever (nearly 7% GDP growth in '61) and Clinton better than Reagan. That's what your chart says, right? In reality, I'm sure you'd agree that Reagan helped the US recover from Carter's mess thus shouldn't suffer from 1981 and 1982 less than ideal GDP growth numbers in a non-political analysis.

 

[I35]

Not exactly...it can go down. Every POTUS but Kennedy on the list has hit a low point in the 20-39% range

You are still believing polls. Just amazing.

7.46% Obama (despite millions leaving the workforce; thus helping to reduce the rate)

Joe, you forgot to mention that he encouraged and then approved spending $10 trillion and never got the GDP over 3%. How can anybody spend that much money for jobs in trying to stimulate the economy and can't get the GDP over 3% in at least one of his eight years.

 

[Seattle Husker]

You are still believing polls. Just amazing.

I get it. You need something that conforms to your worldview. Sorry I can't be of much help there. May I suggest this? Meanwhile, I'll accept "close" and allow for margin of error.

Joe, you forgot to mention that he encouraged and then approved spending $10 trillion and never got the GDP over 3%. How can anybody spend that much money for jobs in trying to stimulate the economy and can't get the GDP over 3% in at least one of his eight years.

I don't think we got enough for our money but look at the direction of the economy through 2009. Imagine the economy without the stimulus and auto bailout? Imagine what would have happened if an incoming POTUS did nothing in 2009. Fortunately for us both, we don't have to talk about that.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Trump is going to boost GDP.
I dont know if it will show in year one (Reagan's Year One was also rough), but it will over the next 4.
What other 'OBJECTIVE" standard are you referring to?
Be clear what you mean.

Here is another:

The Dow Jones Industrial Average also more than doubled, rising 148 percent during Obama’s tenure, and the NASDAQ Composite index more than tripled, rising 284.5 percent.

This article does it better justice than I could.

 

[I35]

I get it. You need something that conforms to your worldview

Yes, like maybe facts?

Imagine what would have happened if an incoming POTUS did nothing in 2009.

2009 was a long time ago and should have recovered easily by 2016. Plus, we've been through recessions before in our lifetime and we never panicked. It always comes back around as we've never changed our philosophy. BHO decisions of regulating and high taxes and blowing stimulus money actually slowed down the recovery. It would have recovered faster had he went to the golf course every single day during his Presidency and not do anything.

 

[Monahorns]

History shows when the government does nothing. Recessions hit hard and short and recover hard and short. What BHO did to the 2009 recession is like what FDR did to the Great Depression.

 

[I35]

No more parting gift from Obama!!! Life is good!

 

[BevoJoe]

When they are in the country, why would they go to an airport to "blend in"? Lots of cops there, I'd think they'd avoid the airports like the plague.

It's "hide in plain sight". Lots of places in the world it can be done. Many years ago, I crossed into the former DDR without being detected, questioned, having to show my papers, or even given a side glance. The only time I as ever caught was when I was 16 and that was in Bulgaria for taking pictures of Russian tanks on military base. They were rough guys, but they only confiscated the film, figured I was some dumb kid, and let me go with a stern warning about taking pictures in a forbidden zone. I really miss those days...

 

[BevoJoe]

History shows when the government does nothing. Recessions hit hard and short and recover hard and short. What BHO did to the 2009 recession is like what FDR did to the Great Depression.

Are we really out, or are we see the appearance of stablity. Will another happen soon? Watch the relationship between commodities markets and the stock market. Draw you conclusions from that, not what a political party tells you or promises you. Good luck!

 

[Seattle Husker]

The bombing in Libya had a direct tie to the Berlin truck attack.

 

[Joe Fan]

A personal story of Obama's America
https://ricochet.com/404607/my-most...pisode/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

"I’m a supporter of the US National Parks. Looking back on the Obama Presidency most memorable for me was the episode of “Yes we can!” shut down the US National Parks – with brute force. Here’s what I remember. The Obama Admin spent more effort, money, and manpower shutting the parks down than was used in keeping them open. This was done to try to score political points during a hardball budget negotiation with Reps. It was a first for me to hear about park visitors being cited for “illegal recreation” and “trespassing on public lands” and stopped from unauthorized nature photography.

There was a standard sign that read “Because of the Federal Government SHUTDOWN, All National Parks are CLOSED” that government workers were ordered to put up along with the construction of barriers. This was to drive home the point. Even walking in open space in the Mall was verboten. War Veterans were told by bureaucrats following orders that they had no business visiting memorials honoring fallen servicemen. If not for veterans the memorials and the parks wouldn’t even be there, but that didn’t stop officials from trying to shoo them away like some varmint on your back porch. Meanwhile a place was reserved on the Mall for approved political partisan advocates, illegal immigrate right as I recall (or undocumented immigrants if you prefer).

Government officials were deployed to stop visitors from entering or using the parks. Apparently the Park Service has a specialized tactical team dedicated to ruining people’s vacations and blocking or photo-bombing photographs. In Yellowstone for example an apparatus was constructed to block the view of Old Faithful geyser for visitors who couldn’t be removed. Japanese who moved to the side to get an angle were scolded. Officials in tactical gear that looked like SWAT were brought in. I guess the Admin thought they needed a buff guy sporting an AR-15 with a 20 round magazine to keep in line that retired Iowa couple touring the country in a RV. Or what nefariousness is that fit couple in Patagonia clothes and Oakley sunglasses doing, oh no they have a hiking map, now they’re filling up water bottle with clips at a fountain… better call in for back up they might resist. And if you’re a foreigner visiting not knowing the inner US political maneuvering and not understanding orders barked at you in English, well that’s no excuse for non-compliance in the immediate termination of enjoying the National Parks. One could literally be arrested and fined by armed officials.

I remember seeing these things on TV and in print at places I had visited and locations that I knew. I had a hard time believing that is was even happening and it got my blood pressure up. Using hardline coercion and injecting politics into otherwise non-political agencies will be something I remember from the Presidency of Mr. Obama. They could’ve simply closed the park facilities and hung a sign that read “no services, enter at your own risk”, but that wasn’t the point. The intention was to harass people and make people angry about the Administration having to negotiate a budget with opponents.