That seems to make sense to me. I didn't understand the suggestion that the B-2 was chosen for some nefarious reason.
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That seems to make sense to me. I didn't understand the suggestion that the B-2 was chosen for some nefarious reason.
Seattle Husker
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This strike was coordinated with Libyan democratic leaders on the ground. So, at least the groups we want to prevail in the battle for Libya knew we were coming.
Libya doesn't have much of a IAD. B52s could have done the same thing. I'm curious about the B2 usage, too. We always have a carrier in/near the Med. Or has Obama pulled that to remove any quick-response "ability" to support Israel there, too?
The B2 is for targeting fixed production sites deep into China and Russia. Libya is a relatively low-threat environment.
Shaw, even a 4-ship of Hawgs could have done what the B2 did ... then CNN would have had time to scramble and tell investigative tales about the struggles of aircraft maintaining altitude with empty fuel tanks.
Seattle Husker
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Maybe the AF wanted a chance to play with their relatively new toys in a live environment?
Clean
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I see he commuted the sentences of another 330 druggies on his last day in office. Yahoo says "he saw the injustice". I suppose that means they're overwhelmingly black.
In all he doled out over 1700 pardons. That's not including all the terrorists he let out of Cuba. It would be interesting to know how many innocent people will eventually die as a result of BO's largesse.
In all he doled out over 1700 pardons. That's not including all the terrorists he let out of Cuba. It would be interesting to know how many innocent people will eventually die as a result of BO's largesse.
texas_ex2000
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Maybe they don't want to put more hours on those 52 airframes unless they absolutely have to! Hehe.Libya doesn't have much of a IAD. B52s could have done the same thing. I'm curious about the B2 usage, too. We always have a carrier in/near the Med. Or has Obama pulled that to remove any quick-response "ability" to support Israel there, too?
The B2 is for targeting fixed production sites deep into China and Russia. Libya is a relatively low-threat environment.
Shaw, even a 4-ship of Hawgs could have done what the B2 did ... then CNN would have had time to scramble and tell investigative tales about the struggles of aircraft maintaining altitude with empty fuel tanks.
I guess you could use Hawgs...but then you would have to give air medals to like 8 KC-10 gas passer crews.
When daddy gets home tomorrow he's going to be mad, mad.
The neighbors let a foreigner into the house and he tried to destroy it. He stole the credit card and spent $10trillion on something no one can locate, pissed off our favorite neighbors, snuck down to the jail and left the cell doors open, lied by telling everyone in the hood he had a way to reduce their health insurance costs and get them jobs, lost a substantial portion of our guns, walked around saying things like Marine "Corpse", flipped off the police when they were trying to help, and let a bunch of illegals into the backyard. Somebody's going to get an *** whipping.
The neighbors let a foreigner into the house and he tried to destroy it. He stole the credit card and spent $10trillion on something no one can locate, pissed off our favorite neighbors, snuck down to the jail and left the cell doors open, lied by telling everyone in the hood he had a way to reduce their health insurance costs and get them jobs, lost a substantial portion of our guns, walked around saying things like Marine "Corpse", flipped off the police when they were trying to help, and let a bunch of illegals into the backyard. Somebody's going to get an *** whipping.
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I know while I was deployed to Al Udeid they had B-1s based there. They probably could have done this mission and have the ability to fly in low make their strike and boogie on out of there.
The reason they used the B-2 is probably due to justification of spending money on the program. Also, have to give those officers/pilots a chance to "excell" in a combat environment. They don't want to be left behind from their other pilot peers.
I imagine that the mission was somewhere between 36 to 40 hours and had 3 or 4 ARs (air refueling). What's cool is that the crew gets speed pills (aka go pills) for these missions. There is only one crew that fly the plane, so they have to stay awake the whole time. That would suck! I know because I am former aircrew.
The reason they used the B-2 is probably due to justification of spending money on the program. Also, have to give those officers/pilots a chance to "excell" in a combat environment. They don't want to be left behind from their other pilot peers.
I imagine that the mission was somewhere between 36 to 40 hours and had 3 or 4 ARs (air refueling). What's cool is that the crew gets speed pills (aka go pills) for these missions. There is only one crew that fly the plane, so they have to stay awake the whole time. That would suck! I know because I am former aircrew.
Opportunity for award/decs are maximized ... but I doubt the career of the crew executing the order was of any consequence to the decision in frag-building.
Now ... making the outgoing administration seem less linguine-spined? .... Oh yeah, BIG opportunity.
speed is authorized after the pilots are first removed from the flight schedule and take the prescribed dosage, then debrief with the flight doc, who annotates his approval/rejection. The use of the drugs during flight operations is completely at the discretion of the pilot.
I never knew a guy who took the drug after the mandated pre-deployment evaluation. Maybe life on a tanker was different. I found strategic use of caffeine to be plenty sufficient --- oh ... and tunes. One crew on a jet plenty large enough for relief is a failure of the AF. Big risk with a "20 million plane, Lt" never mind accomplishing the mission.
Now ... making the outgoing administration seem less linguine-spined? .... Oh yeah, BIG opportunity.
speed is authorized after the pilots are first removed from the flight schedule and take the prescribed dosage, then debrief with the flight doc, who annotates his approval/rejection. The use of the drugs during flight operations is completely at the discretion of the pilot.
I never knew a guy who took the drug after the mandated pre-deployment evaluation. Maybe life on a tanker was different. I found strategic use of caffeine to be plenty sufficient --- oh ... and tunes. One crew on a jet plenty large enough for relief is a failure of the AF. Big risk with a "20 million plane, Lt" never mind accomplishing the mission.
NJlonghorn
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He's still president. Did he say something that makes you think there won't be more today?
NJlonghorn
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Correct. He personally drafted the budgets, and then rammed them through a Congress that let him do whatever he wanted.
Joe Fan
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Joe Fan
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Well, he did say his would be the most open, honest and accountable Admin in history. LOL
But, I get your point, he also said if you like your doctor, you can keep him.
The ACA will reduce insurance premiums by $2,500, per family per year
"Not one dime of Obamacare will go for abortions"
"I cannot pass amnesty through executive action… I am not a dictator"
"It was not my decision to pull all the troops from Iraq"
“I am not one to support gay marriage”
ISIS is the JV team
He would lower the oceans' levels
Cut the debt in half
Deliver a post-racial America
“We will close the detention camp in Guantanamo Bay”
“We’ve got shovel-ready projects all across the country”
“We reject the use of national security … to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime”
“I don’t take a dime of their [lobbyists’] money, and when I am president, they won’t find a job in my White House”
You better not cross my red line if you know what's good for you
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Clean
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For 44 more minutes............
Still time to pardon Hillary.
JF
I had forgotten how much BO "misreprented" reality. Of course some will say he believed obamacare would actually lower costs and allow people to keep their doc etc. If he really did believe that he was stupider than his supporters felt. I remember one of key architects admitting they counted on fooling the people.
Thank God!This is a great day for our country.
Ironic that many of the people that will benefit from the jobs being added are people the haters say President Trump is against.
I had forgotten how much BO "misreprented" reality. Of course some will say he believed obamacare would actually lower costs and allow people to keep their doc etc. If he really did believe that he was stupider than his supporters felt. I remember one of key architects admitting they counted on fooling the people.
Thank God!This is a great day for our country.
Ironic that many of the people that will benefit from the jobs being added are people the haters say President Trump is against.
Seattle Husker
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Obama's parting gift to Trump is that the economy is objectively in a much better position than when he entered office in 2009.
yeah ... floated on credit cards ... but yeah.
Finally ... he's gone.
NOW ... it's time for the GOP to put up or shut up. I predict they do neither.
He may have believed it in 2008. By 2012, the legislation had passed, and he knew what the truth was.
Joe Fan
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He didnt. None of them did.
Dont forget the Gruber.
He admitted, more than once, that they lied. The were very cynical and programmed about the whole thing
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Joe Fan
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Average job approval
Obama below both W
and ....
................
wait for it .....................
....................
NIXON!
LOL
He did beat out Jimmah Cartah, so there's that
Kennedy Jan. 20, 1961-Nov. 22, 1963 70.1
Eisenhower Jan. 20, 1953-Jan. 19, 1961 65.0
G.H.W. Bush Jan. 20, 1989-Jan. 19, 1993 60.9
Clinton Jan. 20, 1993-Jan. 19, 2001 55.1
Johnson Nov. 22, 1963-Jan. 19, 1969 55.1
Reagan Jan. 20, 1981-Jan. 19, 1989 52.8
G.W. Bush Jan. 20, 2001-Jan. 19, 2009 49.4
Nixon Jan. 20, 1969-Aug. 9, 1974 49.0
Obama Jan. 20, 2009-Jan. 19, 2017 47.9
Ford Aug. 9, 1974-Jan. 19, 1977 47.2
Carter Jan. 20, 1977-Jan. 19, 1981 45.5
http://www.gallup.com/poll/202742/obama-averages-job-approval-president.aspx
Obama below both W
and ....
................
wait for it .....................
....................
NIXON!
LOL
He did beat out Jimmah Cartah, so there's that
Kennedy Jan. 20, 1961-Nov. 22, 1963 70.1
Eisenhower Jan. 20, 1953-Jan. 19, 1961 65.0
G.H.W. Bush Jan. 20, 1989-Jan. 19, 1993 60.9
Clinton Jan. 20, 1993-Jan. 19, 2001 55.1
Johnson Nov. 22, 1963-Jan. 19, 1969 55.1
Reagan Jan. 20, 1981-Jan. 19, 1989 52.8
G.W. Bush Jan. 20, 2001-Jan. 19, 2009 49.4
Nixon Jan. 20, 1969-Aug. 9, 1974 49.0
Obama Jan. 20, 2009-Jan. 19, 2017 47.9
Ford Aug. 9, 1974-Jan. 19, 1977 47.2
Carter Jan. 20, 1977-Jan. 19, 1981 45.5
http://www.gallup.com/poll/202742/obama-averages-job-approval-president.aspx
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Seattle Husker
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And Trump is starting lower than them all at 40%. Day 1 of a POTUS tenure is generally their high point. LOL!
if there's one thing I've finally learned ... this isn't your Daddy's POTUS.
Guess the rating has no where to go but up, eh?
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