Number 1 Seed

What happens in the big 12 title game isn't really all that important to the seeding. The committee is already convened at that point aren't they? And haven't they said they don't give much credence to those games except when deciding whether you are in or out?

Regardless, win out to the title game and get the 1 seed. Hopefully in Houston.
 
Y'all that want a #1 seed just need to convince the committee that strength of schedule is the most important consideration. Here's the current RPI:[pre]Rnk Team Conf W-L RPI SOS Rk1 Tennessee SEC 22-2 0.687 0.607 2
2 Memphis CUSA 25-0 0.677 0.570 28
3 Duke ACC 22-2 0.674 0.590 5
4 North Carolina ACC 24-2 0.666 0.590 4
5 Texas B12 21-4 0.656 0.596 3
6 Kansas B12 23-2 0.653 0.557 51
7 UCLA P10 21-3 0.644 0.576 20
8 Xavier A10 22-4 0.644 0.573 26
9 Georgetown BE 21-4 0.643 0.562 39
10 Drake MVC 21-2 0.637 0.536 84[/pre]
 
Its tough to see Memphis not getting a #1 seed at this point and if they beat Tennessee, its tough to see them not getting the overall #1 seed. That leaves them as a lock for the Houston bracket. Actually, its probably not a stretch to assume the winner of Tenn/Memphis game will be in Houston and the loser in Detroit (a bit presumptive at this point, but its not hard to see it happening that way).

If Texas wins out, we're fighting for a #1 seed. I think the committee will look at the brackets and see that Texas would have a bigger reward in being placed as the #2 in the Houston bracket than the #1 anywhere else and thats what they will end up doing. Even though they consider Texas the fourth best team, they'll give them the #2 in the bracket they want. They did this with UConn in 2005, UCLA and tOSU in 2006, and UCLA in 2007.
 
not sure but we have a 3 locked up and if we finish out just average, we'll get a 2. I think the committee will look at a couple of our losses and determine that a "#1" doesn't lose to mizzou but they could handle that since it was on the road but definitely not to wisconsin at home while they were missing their starting point guard. I could see us still getting a 2 even with 2 more losses before the big 12 tourney.
 
But assuming Texas wins out, and Tennessee loses at Memphis and Vandy, you'd probably have

Memphis overall #1 in Detroit,
Duke or UNC #1 in Charlotte,
UCLA #1 in Phoenix,
Texas #1 in Houston.

But, let's think back to the last 3 games played in Manhattan--a one point win, and ten point loss, and a 1 point loss, and every game played against KSU teams that finished below Texas in the Big 12 standings (6-10 in the conference each of those years, 15-13, 14-14, 13-16 records).

Next Monday's game will be one of the toughest games of the year for Texas. Going into the stretch of games against KU, Baylor, Aggy, OU, and KSU, I thought the game in Manhattan would be toughest.

They are making more 3's a game in conference than last year, shooting a higher percentage, and the shots are being distributed among more players. They kill conference opponents on the glass.

That game will be very difficult.

But, for now, FOCUSNESS on killing ou.
 
I don't know what some of you are smoking but if this team wins out in the regular season there is no way we would not be a 1. None.

We would be 27-4 overall and 14-2 in the Big XII.
We would have wins over 3 of the top 6 in the polls.
Not one team in the country would have a better resume than Texas. And we would be, at worst, 9-1 in our last 10 (assuming we do not win the conference tourney) and that is big in the seeding process.

This team is on the verge of something really special. With the defense we are playing right now there is not a team in the country that we can't beat.
 
What if Tennessee wins out, Memphis loses no other games, the winner of Duke-UNC also wins out, and UCLA mudholes everyone through the Pac-10 tourney? Is there then "no way" for Texas to wind up a #2?
 
I know we have discussed who gets the #1s but how do they decide who gets what region. I know it has something to do with location of the #1s but is it the best #1 gets first pick and so on, or does the committee just put them where they think the overall ratings will be the best? If the latter they may give Memphis Detroit and Texas Houston for ratings more than anything.
 
Another note, as a community I hope we all give Barnes his due credit for the schedule we played this season. If we don't play UCLA and Tenn we are not even discussing a #1 or a lock (in my mind) for a #2. This had to be a tough decision to GO and play these teams but Barnes did it and has done this in the past (esp w/ Duke) and it always seems to pay off.
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Other than Tennessee beating both Memphis and Vanderbilt on the road, nothing in the scenario I posted is really much less likely than Texas winning out to tournament selection time.

UCLA has a couple of road games against decent but not great teams (both 6-6 in the Pac 10) and it gets Stanford at home. Duke-UNC winner should have it fairly easy into the conference tournament. UNC has a home game against WF as the only other game either team has to play against a team with a winning record in conference.

The odds of all that happening aren't that great, but I wouldn't bet my house on Texas winning in Manhattan, either.
 
I was responding to your assertion that "there's no way" Texas wouldn't get a 1 seed if they finished 14-2 in the Big 12. There is a way.

Whether the tournament selection committee SHOULD seed that way is a different question, isn't it?
 
There's an idea. Let the selection committee go to a PPV format, guaranteeing controversial conclusions so you'll shell out for the rematch.
 
Obviously still a lot of work to make #1 a possibility. But, I agree now, it is at least a possibility.

Even if we win out and claim the regular season title. I still think we'll need to beat KU in the Big 12 tourney (assuming they don't bow out early - and they won't). Just as BinH said, the committee will simply hold on to a #1 and #2 and award them based on who wins the championship game.

I agree that we could still argue that we have a better resume, but they have the better pedigree. Just the way it is.
 
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