Why do some of you keep trying to justify slavery by bringing up that other groups enslaved their own. Yes, some groups enslaved their own but it wasn't the same as chattel slavery which is what the Caucasian people participated in. And you must be very naive to think that the US treats individuals as equals, you know that's not true.
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I disagree because of the reasons I stated. I believe in the blanket immunity argument; they are given political cover because of the insistence on cleansing them of any blame in this matter.
Brad Austin
2,500+ Posts
I remember your trolling bs on HF in the past, Rattfatt. I know exactly what you're doing.
This venue does well promoting constructive political discussions without nonsense allegations and provocations like you're doing. Don't take this fool's bait, My Friends.
Clearly anyone who says only whites can be racist and blacks and mexicans can merely be prejudice is speaking racist to bait. That or a complete moron unworthy of debate.
This venue does well promoting constructive political discussions without nonsense allegations and provocations like you're doing. Don't take this fool's bait, My Friends.
Clearly anyone who says only whites can be racist and blacks and mexicans can merely be prejudice is speaking racist to bait. That or a complete moron unworthy of debate.
ProdigalHorn
10,000+ Posts
I don't know why you guys are engaging this person. He's starting with an absolute position that can't be proven (everything white people have ever done has been rooted in racism) and nothing you say is going to change his opinion. Anything he can't see through that lens will be discarded as irrelevant (enslaving other people's people with their assistance is worse than enslaving your own people or people you defeated in war because racism) and will always be interpreted as trying to "excuse" something as opposed the actual purpose of pointing out his own obvious hypocrisy, selective historical revision and lack of interest in anything that doesn't support what he wants to accomplish now.
Some people are beyond discussions. They already know how you feel about things and what causes you to feel that way, so don't bother trying to explain it. You can't understand their experience, but they completely understand yours. When you're dealing with that kind of imbalance, there's no possibility of having a rational discussion.
Some people are beyond discussions. They already know how you feel about things and what causes you to feel that way, so don't bother trying to explain it. You can't understand their experience, but they completely understand yours. When you're dealing with that kind of imbalance, there's no possibility of having a rational discussion.
OrngNugz
500+ Posts
Sorry, you cant make up your own definition of racism.
From Webster:
1: A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : A doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles b : a political or social system founded on racism
There are a lot of people that associate racism with #2. As mentioned above this still occurs, one of the many examples today includes trying to restrict voting for blacks. When the system is stacked politically, systematically and socially against whites then you can call it racism. Prejudiced, well thats another story.
From Webster:
1: A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : A doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles b : a political or social system founded on racism
There are a lot of people that associate racism with #2. As mentioned above this still occurs, one of the many examples today includes trying to restrict voting for blacks. When the system is stacked politically, systematically and socially against whites then you can call it racism. Prejudiced, well thats another story.
You folks don't want to have a rational discussion. All you want to do is deflect and make excuses about the reality of the most racist country in the world that is America. There's a big difference between the slavery of different groups and chattel slavery the white people were involved in and that's a fact. The most evil and vicious form of slavery was participated by the Caucasian people. And the effects of over 500 hundred years of torture are still felt to this day. White supremacy is alive and well in America but in reality you just had a 500 hundred year head start.
OUBubba
5,000+ Posts
This is correct. Racism is racism. There may be institutional racism and racism that echoes for generations as far as opportunities and things go. But it's all racism. Including racism internal to races - some that aren't dark enough, some that have blue eyes, etc. I watched The Defiant Ones recently that summarized Dr. Dre and Jimmy Iovine's growth and Dre talked about the racism that he had to deal with when he signed Eminem internal to his own crew. Cool show.
Thank you!
ProdigalHorn
10,000+ Posts
I think you missed the point he was trying to make. The argument being made would dictate that pushback against Eminem couldn't be racist because Eminem was white.
I don't know about you but I would much rather be called names than to be systemically discriminated against and oppressed like black people are.
You may not be aware of this:
http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-africa/white-slaves-barbary-002171
You can look it up in Wikipedia for confirmation.
OUBubba
5,000+ Posts
I disagree with him on that. Racism is racism. The definition squared that away for all of us.
What does that have to do with the fact that Caucasian people in America wiped out the real owners of this country in Native Americans? Then went on to rape, murder, steal, and enslave black people for over 500 years. And their ancestors do the same thing today in America. Once again, America is as racist as it was when it was being formed. We can do this dance all day, but the facts are on my side.
And in away it's kind of sad because the responses on here basically show that Racism in America and the world isn't going anywhere. The only thing most white folks do when confronted with the reality of racism in America is deflect and get defensive and butt hurt. I wished you white folks could trade places with a person of color in America for an extended period of time. Maybe then you all will realize how good it is to be white in America.
OUBubba
5,000+ Posts
Dude, my ancestors were here before any of these guys (at least a portion of them
) and your point that other colors aren't racists is just flatly wrong. I concur that there's institutional racism but there's still just straight up racism and tribalism abounds throughout the world. I'll take the USA (warts and all) over the rest of the world. We're imperfect but it takes generations to cleanse ourselves of these things. It's nice to be able to disagree with people and not drive a car into them (Cotton Bowl excluded...)ProdigalHorn
10,000+ Posts
*sigh* Why do I keep letting myself get sucked into this. OK I'll respond to this one.
It doesn't other than to disprove your narrative that slavery is an inherently white invention perpetrated by white people against people of color, and that only white people are evil enough to enslave other people. Oh, wait, you did say that they were the only people to ever engage in "chattel slavery", which is worse than the other kind of slavery for some reason.
Can you clarify why white people buying slaves from other countries is worse than non-white people buying slaves from other countries? I wasn't clear on your argument other than that "it's a fact."
You forgot to add #3 from Merriam Webster. Oops.
ProdigalHorn
10,000+ Posts
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
Merriam Webster states that prejudiced Blacks and Hispanics are racists, and OrngNugz exclaims that you must use the Merriam Webster definition because-
What allegations have I made? The bottom line is that if the shoe fits then wear it.
Go Read a damn book. White slave owners would pick out the best looking slave just like they do at the draft combine. They would then force a fit male and female slave to have sex to produce more slaves. Sometimes mother and son would be forced to have sex. White slave owners also would kill slaves if they were caught trying to learn how to read and write. Which obviously had an effect on black people from generation to generation and it still effects black people to this day.
White slave owners like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington would also rape the female slaves. White slave owners would punish slaves by intentionally selling them and breaking up their families. All of this along with many more horrendous examples lasted for over 500 years. And the effects of the worst form of slavery have had a negative effect on black people to this day.
I'll tell you what. Let's trade places, I can be white and you can be black. I would gladly trade being called names by black or Hispanic people for the ability to not have to deal with being discriminated against and have to live under a racist, white supremacy system. Like I said before, white folks just don't understand how good it is to be white in America.
I don't think I can be you. I'm just not ready to blame other people for my faults and my failures. I know you can't be me because I am proof positive that we live in the greatest country in the world.
If I recall, this racist country recently had a black president (well, half black but he identified as being black), which is the highest office in the land and the single most powerful (politically and militarily) man in the world. If being black is so bad, why did Obama say that he was black instead of white?
Man, some of you white folks are a lost cause. Obama just like many black entertainers that are rich and live a nice life are one percent of black people in this country. Yes, Obama became the first black president and guess what else. He was also called every N word in the book and constantly threatened with death threats by white people. Obama just like Nelson Mendela was a puppet president. He was put in office by white people to give the perception that America wasn't racsit.
Black athletes and entertainers are also propped up to give the perception that if you work hard and your black you can be just like them, and that's not true. So anytime someone says America is racist as hell, white people can always point to the very small percent of black people who are rich and live well just like you did. Take it from this black man, it's good to be white in America.
Four men with evil intent had the power to put him in a lot of pain. It's not long term power, but it was asserted, left a guy in a miserable humiliating position and to you that doesn't even merit a shoulder shrug?
There is a lot of black on white violence in this country. I endured it middle school. On the playground most of the black males in my school participated in a game where they would take turns running up to slap/punch me in the back of the head while I was turned in another direction. As I turned to confront one head slapper 2-3 others would run by at high speed and slap me it. I wasn't bleeding, but the blows were painful and left bruises. Judging from their laughter, it was an hilarious game. It was humiliating as hell. i honestly I remembered all those laughing faces and while I didn't extrapolate and hate all black people, i was definitely suspicious, wary and disdainful of ever kid that slapped me that day and it was the majority of the male blacks with whom I went to school.
Honestly I enjoy every interaction I have with black people these days, including those who behaved like ******** in 1972. But what if I hadn't come from a non-racist family and didn't have opportunities to encounter black folks in more positive situations? I think you are foolish if you think school bullying, physical assaults, the "knockout game" or angry, non-complaint behavior in traffic stops are insignificant. There isn't enough love to fix it.
I am really happy a black man knows how good it is to be white. Very comforting.
The more we make it a white and black issue then that’s the more racism that’s going to come out.
So stay here, don’t leave and stop crying.
Be strong and everything will be alright.
The more we make it a white and black issue then that’s the more racism that’s going to come out.
So stay here, don’t leave and stop crying.
Be strong and everything will be alright.
By the way Rattfatt, I honestly think this Fox News segment is germane to the Black Lives Matter Movement.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/14/shot-officer-speaks-shocking-bodycam-video-sentences-attacker
Look, cops have reason to be scared. A non-compliant black man, white man, Hispanic man or asian man with his hands in his pocket might be the reason he or she won't get to see his/her kids grow up. Maybe there should be some segment of the black lives matter movement that could help people with a "Don't be stupid when confronting armed men" message aimed at people who would like to be sure of surviving police encounters -- or the even more deadly encounters young people have with gangsters and drug dealers.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/14/shot-officer-speaks-shocking-bodycam-video-sentences-attacker
Look, cops have reason to be scared. A non-compliant black man, white man, Hispanic man or asian man with his hands in his pocket might be the reason he or she won't get to see his/her kids grow up. Maybe there should be some segment of the black lives matter movement that could help people with a "Don't be stupid when confronting armed men" message aimed at people who would like to be sure of surviving police encounters -- or the even more deadly encounters young people have with gangsters and drug dealers.
Personally, the real issue I am concerned with is the quartering of soldiers in houses without the consent of the owners of those houses. I hope one day we will have a law to stop such behavior.
What is Theresa May doing to black people in Australia and do you think that Brexit is a factor?
That's BS. Also,I just gave you examples where black people weren't doing anything and got murdered by the police. If police are that damn scared then they need to find another line of work.
Uh?........
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