It's very interesting and telling that many of you Republicans are quiet on here regarding what took place in Virginia this weekend. I'm not surprised though, Republicans and white folks in general love to look the other way and act as if Racism doesn't exists in America. But that's obviously not true because America was founded and built upon Racism. America is as racist today as it was when it was founded and the incompetent president and his administration is also proof of that. But I'm pretty sure you all on here will blame the "libs" or Obama for America being the most racist country in the world.
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There's certainly one thing I agree with you with wholeheartedly, and that's not only does racism exist, it's a very serious issue on this country. I'm a perfect example of that. I'm white and as I was doing nothing but jogging down the hike and bike trail I was attached by 4 black men and put in the hospital. IOW, I was attacked for jogging while white.
OTOH, I don't agree that the US is anywhere close to being the most racist country in the world. In fact, I believe studies have shown just the opposite. There are parts of the middle east where a white person will be be-headed just for being white, and why don't you explore how they treat women while you're at it.
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THE MOST TOLERANT COUNTRIES
0 to 4.9%
United States, Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Guatemala, Britain, Sweden, Norway, Latvia, Australia, New Zealand
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ds-racist-countries-answers-surprise-you.html
OTOH, I don't agree that the US is anywhere close to being the most racist country in the world. In fact, I believe studies have shown just the opposite. There are parts of the middle east where a white person will be be-headed just for being white, and why don't you explore how they treat women while you're at it.
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THE MOST TOLERANT COUNTRIES
0 to 4.9%
United States, Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Guatemala, Britain, Sweden, Norway, Latvia, Australia, New Zealand
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ds-racist-countries-answers-surprise-you.html
Musburger1
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The Charlottesville mayhem is about much more than race. From what I could see, outside of a handful of blacks most of the participants on either side were white.
I'll refer you to my post which I made starting another thread about the same time that this thread posted. Aside from race, the reaction to this incident ought to make us think about freedom of speech, police protection, political opportunism, and propaganda.
ProdigalHorn
10,000+ Posts
I blame the Internet, swing music and freemasonry.
I don't understand why we can't come together about Nazi's. It's so obvious to me. These people are worshiping a monster. Hitler is what hell is for.
I have watched those Holocaust documentaries many times. I watched them until I couldn't take it anymore. Watched the bulldozers and the bodies. It is unbelievable to me that it happened. It is unbelievable to me that we didn't drop an atomic bomb on Berlin not because I'm bloodthirsty but if Japan deserved it then Hitler deserved it more. So my feelings on the matter are well developed. But I am not solely about carpet bombing Neo-Nazi's. I also greatly resent ANYONE calling ANYONE a Nazi for political expediency. It is a false equivalency. There is nothing to compare. Except maybe Stalin or Mao or any other despot in our history but the shocking truth is that a supposed enlightened nation like Germany could turn to such horror. And it happened in the lifetime of our parents. That is the scary part. We read about it in history and it just seems like a footnote to many people but in reality Germany is as civilized and sophisticated a nation as any on the planet. And they produced Hitler. Well, we need to stop it now in it's tracks. I know we can't just arrest people for their words (unless they are terrorizing someone or inciting a riot) but we have to come together an marginalize them immediately. The Republicans MUST say, DON'T VOTE FOR US. WE DON'T WANT IT. YOU ARE NOT WHAT WE STAND FOR. And if a politician cannot speak those kind of words, unequivocally and forcefully then they are too corrupt to lead.
The thing that is crazy is that we look back at the civil war and the Jim Crow era as if it is long ago; a past that no longer matters. But the Bible was written centuries before. Jesus supposedly came 2,000 years ago. So long ago. And it burns in people's hearts to this very day. Yet even with that fire burning we had the Holocaust. We had slavery. We had communism. It all happens. Many people on the right argue that this country was founded as a Christian nation. Really? How could they miss it by so much?
Well if the miracles of God occurred 2,000 years ago and are believed as if we all witnessed them (though Peter denied him three times) then why can't we bring life to the horrors that have occurred to the black community here in America and understand that it's not going to be something that they just are going to forget. BECAUSE IT HAPPENED. IT WASN'T A MIRACLE THAT WE READ ABOUT IN A BOOK.
I have watched those Holocaust documentaries many times. I watched them until I couldn't take it anymore. Watched the bulldozers and the bodies. It is unbelievable to me that it happened. It is unbelievable to me that we didn't drop an atomic bomb on Berlin not because I'm bloodthirsty but if Japan deserved it then Hitler deserved it more. So my feelings on the matter are well developed. But I am not solely about carpet bombing Neo-Nazi's. I also greatly resent ANYONE calling ANYONE a Nazi for political expediency. It is a false equivalency. There is nothing to compare. Except maybe Stalin or Mao or any other despot in our history but the shocking truth is that a supposed enlightened nation like Germany could turn to such horror. And it happened in the lifetime of our parents. That is the scary part. We read about it in history and it just seems like a footnote to many people but in reality Germany is as civilized and sophisticated a nation as any on the planet. And they produced Hitler. Well, we need to stop it now in it's tracks. I know we can't just arrest people for their words (unless they are terrorizing someone or inciting a riot) but we have to come together an marginalize them immediately. The Republicans MUST say, DON'T VOTE FOR US. WE DON'T WANT IT. YOU ARE NOT WHAT WE STAND FOR. And if a politician cannot speak those kind of words, unequivocally and forcefully then they are too corrupt to lead.
The thing that is crazy is that we look back at the civil war and the Jim Crow era as if it is long ago; a past that no longer matters. But the Bible was written centuries before. Jesus supposedly came 2,000 years ago. So long ago. And it burns in people's hearts to this very day. Yet even with that fire burning we had the Holocaust. We had slavery. We had communism. It all happens. Many people on the right argue that this country was founded as a Christian nation. Really? How could they miss it by so much?
Well if the miracles of God occurred 2,000 years ago and are believed as if we all witnessed them (though Peter denied him three times) then why can't we bring life to the horrors that have occurred to the black community here in America and understand that it's not going to be something that they just are going to forget. BECAUSE IT HAPPENED. IT WASN'T A MIRACLE THAT WE READ ABOUT IN A BOOK.
I laugh at white people like you who think that black people can be racist. Racism is about power and black people don't have any power. White people have been writing laws since America was built that prevent blacks from moving into white neighborhoods, enslaving, and preventing blacks from voting etc. That's what racism is white people have and do write laws that discriminate against and oppress black people. If you actually read a book and did research you would know this.
But in America they don't teach real history they teach history that ignores the obvious racism and oppression that built America. It's also funny that in your little list you have Britain along with the United States and Australia in there because America learned from the Racist colonizers of Britain. Which is to go to places where native people( most that are black) are already living and rob, rape, and kill in order to get their land and natural resources. Look what happened to the Native Americans, Mexicans, and the indigenous people in Australia and Africa. If you did some research you would know these things, they are right in front of you.
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Most people on this board are under 50 who haven't seen any of things that you mentioned. What they have seen is identity politics. I guess it was okay to shoot cops under Obama, cause you know identity. It goes both ways.
Aside from race? Racism was the only reason for what happened in Virginia. It's exactly what I was talking about. Let's brush off racism and talk about other irrelevant issues. RACISM is the reason that a white supremacist killed that young lady. Say it with me, RACISM!
In America, yes only white people have the power and control over other people's lives. Black or Hispanic people can be prejudice but they don't have any power or control over white people.
I'm upset too about the loss of life yesterday. But it's not illegal in this country to be racist or to hold a rally. You can try to shame people on this board all you want, but I don't think that is going to solve the problem.
I mentioned those things because they are still happening to this day. America is as racist today as its always been. Red lining, housing discrimination, and Republicans are still trying to prevent black people from voting. You don't have to have lived in the 1960's because the racism in the 60's is just like it is today. Also, killing anyone is wrong but if someone does kill a cop we all know for a fact that the person will be held accountable. On the other hand cops are allowed to murder innocent black and white people and get away with it.
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I'm not trying to shame anyone if you're racist that's something you have to take up with God. Because in order to fix and prevent racism you must first acknowledge that it even exists and that it's still the biggest problem in America. You and a whole lot of white folks obviously will continue to ignore it or act as if it doesn't exist. And that my friend is something that you certainly will have to take up with God. And America will continue to be the most racist country in the world.
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That is an unfortunate definition of racism as promulgated by the Left. It is hopelessly irresponsible as it is a form of blanket immunity. Blacks and Hispanics can be racist. No doubt about it. I define racism as self-identifying with your own race to the point where you are culturally immersed and politically militant. I consider Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor to be a racist. Not like David Duke but she is clearly there to put the weight on the scale for her people. Is it sinister? Maybe not; it may be that it's a form of representative govenment but I never viewed SCOTUS as that kind of a body. It should be above it all; but the fact is that Sotomayor has real power though she needs others on the court to help her and if that kind of power is what defines racism then she is a racist.
In the end it is true that white people have the power to oppress the other minorities by sheer numbers alone. But in my view to allow the minority to engage in racist behavior only perpetuates the entire problem.
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Well, I'm not in a position to prevent someone from voting (or getting an ID), nor in a position to prevent someone from getting a loan. I've reprimanded someone who told a racist joke in my house. I said he could tell his joke elsewhere but not under my roof. I wish I could give you more examples of racism to satisfy your viewpoint, but that's about it. I went to public HS and college. Oh yeah, I met a white guy on two occasions (in-law of an in-law) who likes to say the n-word, but I've heard an equal number of n-words from black people. Where I work (20 years at one company), the management doesn't tolerate racist viewpoints. In short, I would be sympathetic if I saw more racism. I suspect most on this board have similar experiences.
And that's exactly what we need is for more white people to call other white people out when there's obvious racism. The problem of racism isn't going to get fixed by asking black people what to do or what should be done. Racism will no longer be the biggest problem in the country once white folk do what needs to be done.
4th_floor
Dude, where's my laptop?
Some of us are not on our computers 24/7. No one is looking the other way. People I have talked to are horrified about what happened in Virginia. For you to blame white people for this terrible act is an act of racism on your part. I am disgusted by the horrible individual who committed this act. I am also disgusted by your post.
Nope, in America only white folks can be racist, Blacks and Hispanics can be prejudice. And just think about it, white people are the minority when you're talking about the entire world but blacks are the majority in the entire world. But almost every where you go in the world it's ruled by white people. Why do you think that is? Because of Racism!
Nope, Racism is what happened in Virginia and Racism is a white persons problem. Your ancestors created Racism and you just like all other white people benefit from Racism. Every time a person of color calls out white folks for obvious Racism they try to flip and spin it and say that you're being the racist. Calling out Racism is not racist.
Let's examine your total ignorance in more detail:
First, there are no laws that require blacks to be enslaved, prevent them from moving into any neighborhood, or prevent them from voting. In fact, just the opposite is true.
Second, you claim that blacks have no power because white people prevent that from occurring. This is a crutch that some black people default to as an excuse. If white people controlled everything, how do you explain the Asians in America? They are better educated and make more money than whites. Did the whites just decide to concentrate their racism on blacks?
Third, you claim that "America was founded and built upon racism". I guess I missed the day in history class when we learned the colonies rose up against the King of England (who was from the same race as most colonists) in the name of racism. Now we have to go back and change all the history books thanks to your great insight.
Britain's people (which consisted of about 30 tribes at the time) were actually subjugated by the Romans in 55 B.C.. Romanized Britons were conquered, annihilated and some were enslaved by Germanic tribes by the sixth century. After the Norman conquest of Britain in 1066 the locals were made second class citizens. The British empire did spread slavery, but slavery existed before Britain on every continent, subjugating people of every color, language and religion. Blacks enslaved other blacks throughout Africa for hundreds of years. The Africans that were exported as slaves to Europe, Brazil, and America were sold to them by other Africans, primarily Muslims, who had already enslaved them. More slaves were shipped to the Islamic countries of the Middle East and North Africa than were shipped across the Atlantic. Ghana and Nigeria still have some slavery.
Beginning in the late 18th century, the British also lead the way in destruction of the international slave trade and of slavery itself. The British boarded suspected slave trade ships from Brazil and the Middle East and freed slaves. The British stopped the Ottoman Empire from trading slaves. Resistance to the British efforts to stop slavery was greatest in Islamic countries, and some of those countries still engage in slavery. You also may remember a little skirmish called the Civil War where hundreds of thousands of white people were killed in order to free slaves.
So fattratt, now you know a little more about the history of slavery. And yes, blacks can be racists just like anybody else. Your dumb definition of racism holds no more weight than your incorrect view of history.
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Okay let's ignore the Aztecs who were enslaving and offering human sacrifices of lesser tribes. There has been a recent discovery of a "tower" of human bones in Mexico City (as described by the Spanish at the time but not believed by future historians who considered it not to be possible).
Again, you need to go and read a book and do your research. Look up what redlining is. Look up and read the articles on white people making laws that prevent black people from moving into their neighborhoods. Look up the fact that most black people can't get a loan to buy a house like a white person can even if they are just as if not more qualified. Look up and read where republicans are trying to take away voting rights from black people today.
Look up and read where laws are being constructed to target Black and Latino people to put them in private prisons and force them to make goods in those prisons basically for penny's. Also, look up and read where white people participated in the most cruel slavery that there is which is chattel slavery for over 500 hundred years. Look up and read about the Dutch and British and apartheid in South Africa and the colonization of West Africa. Look up and read what the white British have done and are still doing to the original black people of Australia. I'm not making this stuff up the fact of the matter is that everywhere white people have gone they have robbed, murdered, terrorized, and stolen the land of the original native people of that Land including America. Google is a great thing you know?
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And what about the Mongols, the Vikings, the Persians, and the Muslim rulers of India (prior to the English)? Great people. Everyone of them.
OUBubba
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Actually, if you are a voter in the state of Texas you are in a position to impact that situation. Low hanging fruit, yo!
It's sort of ironic but what you wrote directly above makes a good case for white supremacy. For the record that is not how I see it. I see the ideas of individual rights, rule of law, property rights, and free markets as the source of supremacy of Western civilization. Also, these ideas are not race-based.
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OUBubba
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If that's what you come away from his writings then I don't know what to say. I guess a all a hammer sees is nails.
I don't agree with the rat's writing's per se, but they don't validate white supremacy.
I was referring to what he wrote, not how he wrote it. I edited it for clarity. Also, rattfatt appears to be more troubled by malevolent white supremacy than white supremacy per se (I.e., all you white people screwing up the world).
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That's exactly what it is, and white supremacy is what America was built upon and what it still is today.
I edit my post above for clarity as it could be misconstrued. I see the ideas of individual rights, rule of law, property rights, and free markets as the source of supremacy of Western civilization. Also, these ideas are not race-based. If you want to argue that minorities are still disenfranchised from these rights, I won't question your motive. But to blame "White" supremacy just gives more fodder to the white supremacists. With that, going to bed.
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Monahorns
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The Aztecs (Mexica) not only enslaved and sacrificed. They cut the hearts out of live people and ate them. They were misunderstood I guess. But that is beside the point.
Some white people have done horrible things to other people groups. Some whites have been very compassionate. Generalizing a whole race that consists of 100s of millions of people is the definition of racism.
Let's treat each individual person as equal, as the US more or less does now.
Some white people have done horrible things to other people groups. Some whites have been very compassionate. Generalizing a whole race that consists of 100s of millions of people is the definition of racism.
Let's treat each individual person as equal, as the US more or less does now.
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