NO more migrants
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if it comes down to Trump & Hillary ... I'm probably staying home ... so GOP: "Find another suitor" ... or ... this is really radical ... DNC: "punt Hillary (again) and apologize to Jim Webb"
That said, I agree with Trump in this instance ... national security is the issue and non-govt official business travel from those countries needs to be stopped right now.
we need to acquire the will to do what is necessary. period.
This most recent retort by Hillary about Trump's statement just wreaks of idiocy ... the same idiocy which led to Benghazi. Let's don't score a touchdown, that might make the other team want to score a touchdown on us! SMH!
Joe Fan
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Apparently Trump's team had been discussing coming out with that idea after Paris. Then came SB and he went with it
Joe Fan
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His timing has been key, but he has successfully conflated two of the big themes right now -- immigration and terrorism
I was in London on the day of the fundamental islamic attack on Paris.
... I was motivated to launch and GIT home! it's not like there are no muslim problems in the queen's city.
Of course, now we're seeing "home grown" fundamental islam problems ... even in our own military!!!
as Earl Pitts used to say ... WAKE UP, AMERICA!
... I was motivated to launch and GIT home! it's not like there are no muslim problems in the queen's city.
Of course, now we're seeing "home grown" fundamental islam problems ... even in our own military!!!
as Earl Pitts used to say ... WAKE UP, AMERICA!
Trump did call me for advice .
I told him I thought singling out an entire religion of over a billion people was not smart. Instead he should just say anyone from those countries with networks of islamists especially if those networks support ISIS.
I sent Trump this link
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/11/isis-now-has-military-allies-in-11-countries.html#
but we all know Trump marches to his own drum.
Shaark, I do not want Trump either BUT if somehow he becomes the nominee NOT voting is a vote for Hillary. We can not let that happen. The key is to work now to make sure Trump is not the nominee
I told him I thought singling out an entire religion of over a billion people was not smart. Instead he should just say anyone from those countries with networks of islamists especially if those networks support ISIS.I sent Trump this link
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/11/isis-now-has-military-allies-in-11-countries.html#
but we all know Trump marches to his own drum.
Shaark, I do not want Trump either BUT if somehow he becomes the nominee NOT voting is a vote for Hillary. We can not let that happen. The key is to work now to make sure Trump is not the nominee
Joe Fan
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Somebody giving in to pressure
Merkel to 'drastically decrease' number of refugees coming to Germany
Was she waiting on Time Mag issue to come out first?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...r-of-refugees-coming-to-germany-a6772311.html
Merkel to 'drastically decrease' number of refugees coming to Germany
Was she waiting on Time Mag issue to come out first?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...r-of-refugees-coming-to-germany-a6772311.html
Gee the article says her world media fawning has not turned into support at home.
Too bad all the media fawning over her did not offer to house some of those migrants.
There are other media reports coming out of Germany that detail the godawful problems those peaceful migrants are causing.
Too bad all the media fawning over her did not offer to house some of those migrants.
There are other media reports coming out of Germany that detail the godawful problems those peaceful migrants are causing.
A few things if note. First, Germany has had every ounce of nationalism beaten out of them for the last 70 years and has had radical political correctness and guilt beaten into them for almost as long, particularly when it comes to racial and ethnic minorities. Their people have a greater tolerance for this sort of thing than anybody in Europe or the United States. They don't lose their patience easily.
Second, I'd take issue with the characterization that the biggest problems are assimilation issues in rural areas. The biggest controversies have been in Munich, which is about as rural as Dallas.
Third, there have reports of censorship of information critical of the refugee situation, and the mainstream media is extremely liberal and militantly pro-refugee. Opponents of the refugee admissions are almost always labeled as "far Right" and often as "neo-Nazi." The pro-refugee side has gotten the most positive spin imaginable. They've had their position given the best possible light, and it's still turning to crap.
Finally, while Merkel's party has been critical of her, but I've heard significant criticism from the center-Left SPD as well. Keep in mind that unions are a big deal in Germany, so their liberal party isn't anywhere near as kneejerk favorable to immigration as the US Democratic Party is. In other words, they actually give a **** about middle class Germans, so while they are generally favorable to the refugees, many of them think Merkel has gone too far.
It's a wild situation that could cost her the Chancellorship if she can't get it under control. Furthermore, every time a Muslim terrorist pulls off an attack or gets caught trying to, things get worse for Merkel.
Second, I'd take issue with the characterization that the biggest problems are assimilation issues in rural areas. The biggest controversies have been in Munich, which is about as rural as Dallas.
Third, there have reports of censorship of information critical of the refugee situation, and the mainstream media is extremely liberal and militantly pro-refugee. Opponents of the refugee admissions are almost always labeled as "far Right" and often as "neo-Nazi." The pro-refugee side has gotten the most positive spin imaginable. They've had their position given the best possible light, and it's still turning to crap.
Finally, while Merkel's party has been critical of her, but I've heard significant criticism from the center-Left SPD as well. Keep in mind that unions are a big deal in Germany, so their liberal party isn't anywhere near as kneejerk favorable to immigration as the US Democratic Party is. In other words, they actually give a **** about middle class Germans, so while they are generally favorable to the refugees, many of them think Merkel has gone too far.
It's a wild situation that could cost her the Chancellorship if she can't get it under control. Furthermore, every time a Muslim terrorist pulls off an attack or gets caught trying to, things get worse for Merkel.
Joe Fan
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double post, decided this was better thread for this Der Spiegel article
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A German ISIS recruit returned to Germany and says they are recruiting volunteers to bring it back to Germany. He also indicated they seek a massive coordinated event (an Islamic Blitzkrieg).
Harry S. says that, during his time in the Syrian warzone, he frequently heard people talking about attacks in the West and says that pretty much every European jihadist was approached with the same questions he had been asked. "They want something that happens everywhere at the same time."
http://www.spiegel.de/international...from-syria-and-gives-testimony-a-1067764.html
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A German ISIS recruit returned to Germany and says they are recruiting volunteers to bring it back to Germany. He also indicated they seek a massive coordinated event (an Islamic Blitzkrieg).
Harry S. says that, during his time in the Syrian warzone, he frequently heard people talking about attacks in the West and says that pretty much every European jihadist was approached with the same questions he had been asked. "They want something that happens everywhere at the same time."
http://www.spiegel.de/international...from-syria-and-gives-testimony-a-1067764.html
Seattle Husker
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There are many things to criticize Obama for in the battle against Islamic terrorist but you are bastardizing the context of Obama's quote who specifically referenced territorial growth by ISIS in Syria/Iraq. One could easily lose the context though if reading only specific news sources.
Joe's quote above specifically says all the ISIS members from Europe are being asked/recruited. Are those migrants or Europe citizens? Are you correctly applying Angela Merkel's comments on migrants to German citizens, presumably holding German passports? That's a critical distinction because the strategy to combat Islamic terrorism is distinct with the 2 populations.
Maybe your and BO'S concept of contained is different.
Do you think there are no ISIS among the hundreds of thousands of people who have streamed into Germany?
Sure
And then let's focus on whether the terrorists are German born ,naturalized or refugees
Cuz that will be important if an attack happens
Do you think there are no ISIS among the hundreds of thousands of people who have streamed into Germany?
Sure
And then let's focus on whether the terrorists are German born ,naturalized or refugees
Cuz that will be important if an attack happens
Amen, and this new 'Budget' is proof positive.
Seattle Husker
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Have you actually read the context of the BO quote and misunderstand or are you purposely applying your own context?
My other comment was because you again took a Merkel quote and misapplied it. Words matter. Context matters. If I sell you a shiny red apple then hand you an orange you'd be upset. That's what you're doing then when I get upset you say "but it's fruit".
An apple is not an orange just like how you handle a returning citizen is not the same as you vet a Syrian migrant for terrorist ties. Over-simplification is an ignorant strategy.
Husker
Do you think there are any members of ISIS among the hundreds of thousands of refugees now in Germany?
as far as your comment on how you handle a returning citizen compared to vetting the refugees? Did you somehow get the impression I thought otherwise? There can be terrorists among citizens but that doesn't mean you should import more.
Oversimplification is thinking /believing Germany Or USA can vet these people and it is ignorant to accept that just because they say they actually can.
Do you think there are any members of ISIS among the hundreds of thousands of refugees now in Germany?
as far as your comment on how you handle a returning citizen compared to vetting the refugees? Did you somehow get the impression I thought otherwise? There can be terrorists among citizens but that doesn't mean you should import more.
Oversimplification is thinking /believing Germany Or USA can vet these people and it is ignorant to accept that just because they say they actually can.
Seattle Husker
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Uh, you conflated Merkel's comment on Syrian migrants with Joe's reference to EU citizens. How else should I take it?
Or oversimplification can mean that you continually conflate multiple avenues of terrorism together as a single solution (i.e. shut them all out). Syrian migrants, tourist terrorists (citizens that visit ISIS then return) and homegrown terrorists incited from afar are unique use cases that demand unique solutions. I understand the fear but the broad brush solutions are the very definition of oversimplification.
As you can see, it wasn't reported here initially. (Rumors of media censorship are rampant here.) I've read that she did give the speech with Arabic subtitles, but to be fair, I didn't watch her speech. Rather than listen to a national disgrace, I'd rather drink beer and champagne while watching crazy Germans set off fireworks right outside my door.
It's weird. For a country that's obsessed with safety and regulations, they sure pitch it to the wind on New Year Eve and New Years Day. For several hours, several of my neighbors went out in the street and set off fireworks - not the little sparklers or wimp fireworks you see rednecks setting off. They use real, full scale fireworks (like you'd see over Town Lake or at a baseball game on July 4) and lots of them. They're loud as hell, and there was smoke everywhere, not to mention burned up fragments all over my front yard. I'm shocked nobody's house got burned down.
Another report from BBC. What's especially remarkable to me is how brazen these guys are. I've been to this area - the Köln cathedral, the main square, and the central rail station (Hauptbahnhof). It's extremely open and heavily populated, and I'd think it would be very tough to sexually assault someone (especially to forcibly rape someone) without attracting a hell of a lot of attention.
I see the Mayor of Cologne is saying the females of her town need to follow a " code of conduct" and to make sure they stay an arm's length from men they do not know. Because we know it is all the females' fault they were assaulted.
This apparently also happened in Hamburg and Stuttgart. No doubt the females in those cities brought it on themselves as well.
This apparently also happened in Hamburg and Stuttgart. No doubt the females in those cities brought it on themselves as well.
I see the Mayor of Cologne is saying the females of her town need to follow a " code of conduct" and to make sure they stay an arm's length from men they do not know. Because we know it is all the females' fault they were assaulted.
This apparently also happened in Hamburg and Stuttgart. No doubt the females in those cities brought it on themselves as well.
Not too surprising. In the PC hierarchy, white women only stand ahead of white men. Furthermore, Cologne is one of the most liberal cities in Western Europe and rabidly pro-Muslim.
This is a report translated by someone named Vlad Tepes
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Germany: A group of young men, according to SWR information, has gangraped two under age girls on Silvester night [New Yeas Eve] in Weil am Rhein.
The State prosecution of the district Lörrach has not yet made an official statement pertaining to this incident.
The two girls, ages 14 and 15, were raped multiple times, according to information received by SWR.
Four suspects are remanded in custody. They are young men from Syria aged from 16 to 20 years old."
http://vladtepesblog.com/
I am not sure Germany or any of Europe can get control now. Knowing what they know now would Germans have agreed with Trumps idea of halting letting in migrants until they could be vetted?
Germany officials admit they couldn't even fingerprint most of the 1.1 million.
"
Germany: A group of young men, according to SWR information, has gangraped two under age girls on Silvester night [New Yeas Eve] in Weil am Rhein.
The State prosecution of the district Lörrach has not yet made an official statement pertaining to this incident.
The two girls, ages 14 and 15, were raped multiple times, according to information received by SWR.
Four suspects are remanded in custody. They are young men from Syria aged from 16 to 20 years old."
http://vladtepesblog.com/
I am not sure Germany or any of Europe can get control now. Knowing what they know now would Germans have agreed with Trumps idea of halting letting in migrants until they could be vetted?
Germany officials admit they couldn't even fingerprint most of the 1.1 million.
Clean
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Vlad Tepes was a king in what is now modern Romanian. History has nicknamed him Vlad the Impaler. The fictional character Dracula was loosely based around his legend.
He is a hero to his people because he stopped the Ottomans from invading his country and probably all of Europe.
I'd say that by choosing that name, that website is ready to go to war against Islam.
Seattle Husker
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I had a chance to visit his castle while on a work trip to Romania last Summer. The reality of the story is so much more boring than the fictional stories.
So, is he still around blogging? Maybe he really is immortal.
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