No Bradford? OU QB a product of the system?

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dthree36

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I have been thinking a bit about the Sooners no huddle quick strike offense. I can't help but compare it to Mike Leaches offense in that a lot of the passes are timing routes. What OU has that Tech does not are a higher caliber of Athlete and a true running game that can actually produce yards.

One observation is the play of Jones in comparison to Bradford. Huge numbers through the air. I know they are both very talented QB's but to stick a red shirt frosh in there and he just put up the pinball numbers through the air has me wondering if this kid is great or is he a product of the system he plays in. Bradford is out against Miami so we will see what Landry has against a respectable defense.
 
I was thinking about the Sooners too.
I've concluded - they sux
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I am so sick of the sooner topics and the will he start, will he not start Bradford talk; and we are still more than two weeks away from the RRS.

The only thing that needs to be highlighted is that they suck. Any and all other topics regarding OU seem superfluous and silly.

They suck. That's it.
 
I agree that the Sooners suck but with a bye week... well... there isn't anything to talk about regarding the horns. I can't wait until next weekend just to see the horns play again, even if it is against Colorado. As for the Sooners.... Hell Good for the Big 12 or not, I hope they lose every game and don't make it to a bowl game. Just a topic I thought about because of all the Hype over Bradford pass happy stats. Now you have another kid just like the Tech system that is putting up the same numbers. Makes you think. Tech just gets another body in there and every year they don't have another QB in the NFL.
 
Here's my theory about OU's offense...

The idea is simple. Build a brick wall of an offensive line so the QB has all day to throw. Get lots of athletic targets to throw to. If you can't get pressure on the QB and match them athlete for athlete in coverage, they score 60 on you. If you can, the whole thing comes crashing down.

It was the same thing with Jason White. They looked like the greatest offense ever, until Kansas State was able to get pressure on him, and they cracked. Then they had to rebuild the OL for a year or two there, and were subpar.

Last year there were two teams that got pressure on Bradford, Texas and Florida. They lost both games. Everyone else they blew out and scored 60.

This year they don't have that brick wall of an offensive line, and even if they get a healthy Bradford back, this will be half the offense it was last year, IMO.

Luckily for them, their defense appears to be the best they've had in years, so they will still win 10+ games, and will be a very scary team come Oct. 17. Their offense is half what it was last year, but it doesn't need to be as good this year, either, because of the defense.

Texas on the other hand, has a mobile QB. If we have protection problems, McCoy can still scramble around to buy himself time. Whereas OU's QB's of late have been immobile, and if you are a pass-oriented team with an immobile QB, you're dead in the water if your OL can't protect him.
 
Bradford, pre-injury, was a special QB system or not. He scored 35 points against us, so I think it is a bit unfair to suggest that he is merely a system QB.
 
"System quarterbacks" (e.g. Kliff Kingsbury, Jason White, B.J. Symons, Graham Harrell, etc.) aren't projected to be top five draft picks in the NFL. Either every NFL scout has lost his marbles, or else Sam Bradford isn't a "system quarterback".
 
And Idaho State and Tulsa were no slouches either. I mean to put up numbers like Jones has against those 2 BCS powerhouses.....man....I'm scared.

Idaho St. has won one game in their last 20 games. That was a 36-33 squeaker to Sacramento St.
 
Bradford....no Bradford. This year we thump their *** either way. This defense is starting to get salty and the offense will put up at least 30 on ou.
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Tulsa was shut out, and that is a pretty good indicator of the saltiness of OU's D, but they had a few turnovers in the red zone and iirc on in the endzone. After a while the Sooners were able to just rush four and drop back into coverage. If they had even gotten a few field goals instead of super huge momentum changing plays, that game would have been much different.

THe point made about matching up athletically on offense and hitting OU in the mouth is spot on. I think Miami does this as well as us.
 
I have always wondered what is a "salty" defense? Is it like when you put a lot of salt on something and when you taste it you pucker up in disgust or something different? Maybe it is like when you spill salt and you think you got it all cleaned up you still find it somewhere, sort of persistent. Is it Sea Salt, Kosher Salt, Table Salt or what?

Just a thought...
 
I've been thinking about this as well recently....Full Flask makes some very good points.

I'm very curious to see how ou does against miami without bradford and how florida does against lsu if tebow doesn't play. If both ou and florida win, Colt's Heisman campaign may get a boost through nothing of his own doing.
 
salty? two possibilities.

strong language was said to be 'salty' implying that it was worthy of sea language, and sailors were renowned for their strong language. hence salty = strong.

second, roman soldiers were originally paid in part by salt rations. a good soldier was 'worth his salt.' hence salty = capable. incidentally, the salary you earn got its name from this payment in salt.

regarding bradford, i saw just this week where a draft analyst was turned off by jones' six touchdowns. he speculated that might hurt sam's stock for exactly the reason opie here lined out. wouldn't it be something if sam lost a bunch of money for coming back and getting injured and it have nothing to do really with the injury. he's a good guy and i hope that doesn't happen for his sake, but it could really hurt ou. ou is already recently on the record with a heisman qb who didn't even get a sniff from the league. if sam turns out not to be all that without glue-fingered receivers and gluer-fingered offensive linemen, it could have an impact on how ou qb's are viewed in the future.

unfortunately for us, the brush that tars ou is often very broad, and i fear we might get the same treatment even if thoroughly undeserved.

opie? original poster.
 
there aren't many things that i know for sure, but one thing for certain is that OU SUCKS! their system sucks, their system qbs suck, their fans suck, their school sucks. damn, that's a lot of suckage.
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LOL

now listen up, short and sweet

since the season is only 3 games in lets compare

2008 OU

2 Runningbacks that rushed for over 1000 yards each....

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horrible thread


we run the same offense with Jones... at 2 back nfl type
 
Stoops admitted they run the same offense whether it's Bradford or Jones. There's nothing to adjust to because both Bradford and Jones are just products of the system. A garden gnome could be their QB, it wouldn't change anything. Every game OU wins without Bradford makes it more and more clear that it's just the system.
 
i could care less if he is a system qb. we've done pretty well with our "system".... and i don't see any reason to change it now.

i think to some extent it is true, our system might make some of the qb numbers a bit gawdy...... on the other hand, landry jones was an elite 11 qb. we're not talking about paul thompson here. speaking of which, i think that is a decent example that kind of contradicts your "system qb" theory.

at least as far comparing to say TT. maybe you can compare along the lines of spurrier's florida qb's..... but again, those were all uber talented guys coming out of HS.
 
Every single QB at Tech puts on astronomical numbers.

At OU Thompson & Hybl and Bomar did not. Its not the system. TX last several QB's have been awesome... is it our system or our talent?

Maybe Jones is just good. He was the best player in his state at the QB position, right? Its not like he was a 2 star scrub that got lucky to go to OU. This was a legit 4 star prospect if i remember right.
 
We didn't run the no-huddle in 2007, either. Just an FYI to the previous poster.

The conclusion by some is a real stretch. We've run some variation of a spread offense ever since Stoops has been here. We've had some years where the offense absolutely sucked **** through a straw. We've also had some years where we put up videogame-like offensive output. The QB absolutely makes a difference on our team.

Landry has had success against Idaho State and Tulsa.

Idaho State.
And.
Tulsa.

I am anxious to see how he does when tin cans aren't lined up on the other side of the field.
 
My point was this...

If next year Gilbert does well... will we start hearing the same thing about Texas?? Our first response would be its because Gilbert was a badass recruit. Who is to say that Landry isn't also?

Methinks the stache has people underestimating Landry. He is a legit talent. We just don't know how good yet.
 
For the poster above knocking Jason White for not getting picked up by an NFL team.

White was signed by the Tennessee Titans in 2005, but eventually quit because his knees wouldn't hold up during training camp.

He came came in and beat Texas with his legs and then went on to win the Heisman with his arm after having both knees repaired.

It was obvious he had the skills...his body, however was worn out.
 
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