Next man up to lead us?

old65horn said:
An idiot with old fingers and no thumbs.

I meant thanks for the 2nd because Earlier posted my choice was Jay Wright.

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Jay Wright would be allsome. IF we could just scratch him a gigantic check, I bet we could get him out of retirement - he would love the weather down here!!
 
It's not going to be Terry. Go watch pretty much any presser from his latter days at Fresno. He's combative with the media and blames players/injuries way too much for my taste. The KSU game alone is enough of a reason to not trust his style.

McCasland has to be at/near the top of the list.
  • Scott Drew tree (cheating is no longer a concern with NIL)
  • Beats superior opponents with scheme
  • Is kind of "Beard-like" in how he generates interest in program
  • Finds transfers who contribute immediately
  • Would do well with unlimited resources
 
Horns11 said:
It's not going to be Terry. Go watch pretty much any presser from his latter days at Fresno. He's combative with the media and blames players/injuries way too much for my taste. The KSU game alone is enough of a reason to not trust his style.

McCasland has to be at/near the top of the list.
  • Scott Drew tree (cheating is no longer a concern with NIL)
  • Beats superior opponents with scheme
  • Is kind of "Beard-like" in how he generates interest in program
  • Finds transfers who contribute immediately
  • Would do well with unlimited resources
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I think you are right but I think KSU's and Nova's coach are pretty good.
 
Chop said:
Before this incident, there was no reason to dump Beard. Beard was an exceptional recruiter and a good game-day coach until all this happened.

As for Terry, he was a really good assistant under Barnes. As a head coach at some mid-majors like UTEP, Fresno, and UNCW, he did above average, but nothing exceptional. Now Terry gets his big chance on a huge stage. He's been dropped into action and he's going to be head coach until the end of the year. Does he make it, does he bust, ... I don't know yet...

If he doesn't do much, then yeah, we should hire some hot shot coach after a nationwide search. If Terry pushes us far in the tourney (something that we haven't done for a long time), then why not stick with him?

And we're entering the meat-grinder of conference play in one of the toughest conferences. We'll see how he does allright. Maybe he's got it. Maybe he doesn't.
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Terry IS getting his chance. Coaching this team the rest of the season, is a legit shot. Terry knows the players and they know him. If he can’t take the team into the tournament and win two games then he’s not the guy. If he does get to the Sweet 16 and keeps the current recruits then he deserves a contract.
 
caryhorn said:
Terry IS getting his chance. Coaching this team the rest of the season, is a legit shot. Terry knows the players and they know him. If he can’t take the team into the tournament and win two games then he’s not the guy. If he does get to the Sweet 16 and keeps the current recruits then he deserves a contract.
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Pretty much what I’m saying. If he loses a few recruits, but later adds some roughly equivalent recruits, that would also be ok.
 
Curious if UT is going to insist on psychological exams for the new coach and partner since mental illness by one or both is a fireable offense now.
 
mchammer said:
Curious if UT is going to insist on psychological exams for the new coach and partner since mental illness by one or both is a fireable offense now.
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Maybe coach gets an annual $1m bonus if coach and partner passes a mental health screen annually. I would use that if I was the lawyer for the new coach. I would say, “how much is firing Beard costing you in future recruits, etc.?”
 
Chop said:
Pretty much what I’m saying. If he loses a few recruits, but later adds some roughly equivalent recruits, that would also be ok.
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I do not like the product on the court right now. There was no defense the last 6 games that resulted in the KSU debacle. Today, we saw good defense but Shanka style offedse.

not impressed. Let’s see what happens in the conference but I don’t think he is our man
 
old65horn said:
I do not like the product on the court right now. There was no defense the last 6 games that resulted in the KSU debacle. Today, we saw good defense but Shanka style offedse.

not impressed. Let’s see what happens in the conference but I don’t think he is our man
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Could be.
Terry is getting his shot.
Jury is still out for now.
 
mchammer said:
Curious if UT is going to insist on psychological exams for the new coach and partner since mental illness by one or both is a fireable offense now.
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mchammer said:
Maybe coach gets an annual $1m bonus if coach and partner passes a mental health screen annually. I would use that if I was the lawyer for the new coach. I would say, “how much is firing Beard costing you in future recruits, etc.?”
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Maybe you are over thinking this a bit? You should take up smoking brisket. Much easier than figuring out this mess.
 
horninchicago said:
Maybe you are over thinking this a bit? You should take up smoking brisket. Much easier than figuring out this mess.
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Contract negotiations is my business. I currently have an $8m contract on the Chairman’s desk of Indian Oil waiting on approval. If I don’t get contracts signed, I am out of a job and on the streets.

Worse situation imaginable is when the high level corporate lawyers are involved. Almost guaranteed to **** up the deal. These are equivalent to the educrats that Sabre refers to. One end result is that they make either impossible or hard to achieve another contract. Eventually the owners figure this out, but you waste 5-10 years of opportunities until they do.
 
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mchammer said:
Contract negotiations is my business. I currently have an $8m contract on the Chairman’s desk of Indian Oil waiting on approval. If I don’t get contracts signed, I am out of a job and on the streets.

Worse situation imaginable is when the high level corporate lawyers are involved. Almost guaranteed to f**k up the deal. These are equivalent to the educrats that Sabre refers to. One end result is that they make either impossible or hard to achieve another contract. Eventually the owners figure this out, but you waste 5-10 years of opportunities until they do.
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But...this is a fan board.
 
horninchicago said:
But...this is a fan board.
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Let me connect the dots for you. Have you ever wondered why certain teams like Texas or Alabama or USC or OU have great winning seasons for 5-10 years and then slip down to mediocrity? It’s because the organization has for a blessed few years eliminated all of the morons and idiots. But it doesn’t last forever and the idiots and morons eventually find their way back into the organization. This decision to fire Beard without any evidence is going to hurt UT because coaches will change their opinion about wanting to work for UT. If anything, Texas is going to have to pay more $$$ to hire the same coach compared to last year.
 
NIL and everything else that makes BB boring as hell is ruining it, so it seems like it doesn't matter.

And, I'm just busting your basketballs somewhat.
 
mchammer said:
Contract negotiations is my business. I currently have an $8m contract on the Chairman’s desk of Indian Oil waiting on approval. If I don’t get contracts signed, I am out of a job and on the streets.

Worse situation imaginable is when the high level corporate lawyers are involved. Almost guaranteed to f**k up the deal. These are equivalent to the educrats that Sabre refers to. One end result is that they make either impossible or hard to achieve another contract. Eventually the owners figure this out, but you waste 5-10 years of opportunities until they do.
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Lemme check with ALPA to see if we can hire you for our contract negations next year.

:coolnana:
 
mchammer said:
I guarantee you the Beard firing is the no. 1 thing discussed by every basketball coach’s agent. Seems relevant to me.
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I agree. And the discussion is probably very similar to nearly everyone elses. What a complete moron for letting himself get into this situation. I am quite certain his firing will have zero impact on the University's ability to hire the next coach. The university did what it had to do, it is really that simple.
 
mchammer said:
Worse situation imaginable is when the high level corporate lawyers are involved. Almost guaranteed to f**k up the deal.
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Amen! And after they ****-it up, they retain extremely highly expensive outside counsel to pull their nuts out of the fire.
 
mchammer said:
Let me connect the dots for you. Have you ever wondered why certain teams like Texas or Alabama or USC or OU have great winning seasons for 5-10 years and then slip down to mediocrity? It’s because the organization has for a blessed few years eliminated all of the morons and idiots. But it doesn’t last forever and the idiots and morons eventually find their way back into the organization. This decision to fire Beard without any evidence is going to hurt UT because coaches will change their opinion about wanting to work for UT. If anything, Texas is going to have to pay more $$$ to hire the same coach compared to last year.
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I dont agree with this. Every person has a responsibility to conduct their lives in a respectable manner especially when they are in charge of student athletes. By putting himself in a position to have to deal with this is the problem. Dont bring light to yourself in a negative way. Beards woman is a nightmare on steriods. Just do a little research on her activites at Frendship high school and then at TT. If Beard chose to drag along someone who has repeated issues from different places, thats on his decision making ability. As for no investigation, they have the police reports so there is some data to work from. This is just like gillespie at tt a few years back who didnt sign his contract. Bad choices have bad consequences.
 
longhornlegend said:
I dont agree with this. Every person has a responsibility to conduct their lives in a respectable manner especially when they are in charge of student athletes. By putting himself in a position to have to deal with this is the problem. Dont bring light to yourself in a negative way. Beards woman is a nightmare on steriods. Just do a little research on her activites at Frendship high school and then at TT. If Beard chose to drag along someone who has repeated issues from different places, thats on his decision making ability. As for no investigation, they have the police reports so there is some data to work from. This is just like gillespie at tt a few years back who didnt sign his contract. Bad choices have bad consequences.
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Every employer has the responsibility to treat their employees fairly and not give in to the Twitter mob. Do you have evidence that Texas fairly investigated the matter? Beard’s lawyer said it didn’t happen. Why would you take a job when there is no expectation that your employer will treat you fairly? End result will be Texas selecting from a smaller pool of desperate coaches.
 
mchammer said:
Every employer has the responsibility to treat their employees fairly and not give in to the Twitter mob. Do you have evidence that Texas fairly investigated the matter? Beard’s lawyer said it didn’t happen. Why would you take a job when there is no expectation that your employer will treat you fairly? End result will be Texas selecting from a smaller pool of desperate coaches.
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I think you under estimate CDC. Many many years back when I worked for the federal government, the expectation was that you had to avoid even the appearance of "impropriety". Seems like Texas has a similar position. I dont read this as Texas cowed to the woke mob. I think they decided that a guy in such a high well paid position needs to handle his personal life to a higher standard. I have also owned and ran a business and also expected my employees to adhere to a reasonable conduct on the job. MChammer, you and I just seem to disagree on what reasonable is and thats ok since we didnt have to make this decision.
 
longhornlegend said:
I think you under estimate CDC. Many many years back when I worked for the federal government, the expectation was that you had to avoid even the appearance of "impropriety". Seems like Texas has a similar position. I dont read this as Texas cowed to the woke mob. I think they decided that a guy in such a high well paid position needs to handle his personal life to a higher standard. I have also owned and ran a business and also expected my employees to adhere to a reasonable conduct on the job. MChammer, you and I just seem to disagree on what reasonable is and thats ok since we didnt have to make this decision.
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I don’t think you understand what is going on. CDC did not make this decision - some weasel in the UT legal compliance department did. That weasel made CDC’s job harder to do. Was there a credible investigation? You seem to ignore this. What happens if the next coach has a kid that tweets that his/her dad is abusive? Fireable offense without a credible investigation? You don’t think the lawyer for the next coach isn’t going to use this to ask for more guaranteed money?
 
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I tend to agree with some of both of mc and ll points. Yes Beard needed to handle his personal life at a higher standard. And yes was there a credible investigation? How could there have been. They didn’t even talk to Beard or his lady. And none of us know for sure what happened in that house that night and i don’t think the university does either.
 
I hate this thread but, I don't think Beard was treated any differently then any other man in a similar situation. Wife/girlfriend calls police. Police arrest man, man goes to jail. No one ever knows what happened. If woman "presses charges" justice is done. If woman recants, further proof she is part of the cycle of domestic abuse. Not taking sides just saying my experience is that when it comes to domestic violence there seems to be a presumption that the man was the aggressor.

Not sure why UT is involved but if he was involved in a fight for running room it is at the very least poor judgment on his part. If this was a regular occurrence with the next Mrs. Right, then it is very poor judgment. This ending could be unfair but in today's world it was very predictable.
 
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