Misotheism

[Coelacanth]

You're straying from the topic, which is, and was, the question of whether Augustine, in offering us an account of evil, was “deluding himself, or at least refusing to do the obvious math” with regard to God “as conceived by Christians”. This is the assertion that has been made by you and GT WT. So far, all that has happened is that you have pointed and said 'look' and, seeing nothing, I said 'I don't see anything.' 'Keep looking,' you said, 'there is something there and this is how I see it.' I looked further and said 'I don't think there's anything there, and I can't see why you think that the thing you describe is there.' At some point there stops being a reason to keep looking for 'something' where there appears to be nothing.

And so I ask: what is the substance of your belief that Augustine, in offering us an account of evil, was “deluding himself, or at least refusing to do the obvious math” with regard to God “as conceived by Christians”.

The circumstance affords you three options: (1) show us the science that refutes Augustine; or (2) follow the historicist approach and join with Augustine in “making **** up”; or (3) concede that reason allows us an approach to the parts of truth that lie beyond our knowledge.

 

[Bayerithe]

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[GT WT]

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[Bayerithe]

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[Dionysus]

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[GT WT]

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[buckhorn]

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[Bayerithe]

yes, GT, that is true for many Christians, but there are also several views on creation amongst Christians.

The 6000 year view is that of the "Young Earth" view, but there's also an "Old Earth" view. In genesis, you read the word "day", and there are 7 days mentioned. The hebrew word that this derives from is "yom". In other portions of the bible, this translates to the word 'period', or 'age'.

I'm a believer of the "old Earth" following, so I do think the earth IS many millions of years old. I don't think God created the earth in 6 literal days, but each "day" was a period of time. There is more evidence supporting the "Old Earth" theory then there is the "Young Earth" theory.

(I believe that covers the first two points?)

The Sun : I don't see any verses in the bible where it explicitly states that the Sun rotates around the earth. All i find are metaphorical statements saying the sun rises and sets, which is true, because we know the earth rotates about a fixed axis. So yes, I do agree with science that the Earth and the other planets rotate around the sun. I don't see any bible verses contradicting such. If you find some, please forward them on and we can discuss. I'm more likely to believe sects of the ancient church poorly interpreted any verses that deal with the sun.

The Flood - I'm not well versed in what scientific findings have been found to prove or disprove the Flood and Noah's ark and the such. That's one of the things I'd like to do more research on, but I'm apt to believe if the bible says there was a flood, then it probably happened, in some form or fashion.

So ... having said that, I'm not sure it's as contradictary as you might think, but I'm still glad to have these conversations because it helps provoke research and discussion

 

[GT WT]

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[Coelacanth]

buckhorn,

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