Michigan going right-to-work
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majorwhiteapples
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Most important asset to a company is it's employees?
I beg to differ, you can train a chimp to do what Autoworkers do in Detroit, have you ever seen them in action actually working?
I guarantee you could train some chimps to do some of those jobs.
I beg to differ, you can train a chimp to do what Autoworkers do in Detroit, have you ever seen them in action actually working?
I guarantee you could train some chimps to do some of those jobs.
Why again are the union thugs beating up on people and even destroying a black man's hot dog cart while they call him a nigger and Uncle Tom?
when we now know that the unions can STILL collectively bargain
AND they do not have to include non union members in the negotiations so the faux outrage over " free ride" is dispelled
so why again are they outraged and acting like thugs?
when we now know that the unions can STILL collectively bargain
AND they do not have to include non union members in the negotiations so the faux outrage over " free ride" is dispelled
so why again are they outraged and acting like thugs?
mrD You asked on what I caased my post that Unions do NOT have to negotiate for non union members
According to the info in this NRO article unions by law do NOT have to represent non union members in contract negotiations.
"Right-to-work proponents argue that paying union dues should be voluntary. Their opponents respond that federal law requires unions to represent all workers at a company, so right-to-work allows non-members to benefit from union contracts without paying for representation. This has been one of the main arguments that unions and some liberals have made. As District 7 United Steelworkers director Jim Robinson put it: “Under a right-to-work law, people could withdraw from the union and wouldn’t have to pay anything. But we are still obligated by federal law to represent them like we would represent a member.”
It’s a powerful argument. It’s also untrue. Federal law does not obligate unions to represent non-members. The National Labor Relations Act allows unions to sign “members’ only” contracts that apply only to dues-paying members. This is legally uncontroversial. In 1938, the Supreme Court expressly upheld union’s ability to negotiate only on behalf of members. As William Gould, chairman of the NLRB under President Clinton, wrote, “the law now permits members-only bargaining for employees” — unions can exclude non-members from their contracts.
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I did not research the 1938 SCOTUS ruling.
Edit to add what I think is the SCOTUS ruling linkThe Link
According to the info in this NRO article unions by law do NOT have to represent non union members in contract negotiations.
"Right-to-work proponents argue that paying union dues should be voluntary. Their opponents respond that federal law requires unions to represent all workers at a company, so right-to-work allows non-members to benefit from union contracts without paying for representation. This has been one of the main arguments that unions and some liberals have made. As District 7 United Steelworkers director Jim Robinson put it: “Under a right-to-work law, people could withdraw from the union and wouldn’t have to pay anything. But we are still obligated by federal law to represent them like we would represent a member.”
It’s a powerful argument. It’s also untrue. Federal law does not obligate unions to represent non-members. The National Labor Relations Act allows unions to sign “members’ only” contracts that apply only to dues-paying members. This is legally uncontroversial. In 1938, the Supreme Court expressly upheld union’s ability to negotiate only on behalf of members. As William Gould, chairman of the NLRB under President Clinton, wrote, “the law now permits members-only bargaining for employees” — unions can exclude non-members from their contracts.
The Link
I did not research the 1938 SCOTUS ruling.
Edit to add what I think is the SCOTUS ruling linkThe Link
mrD
were you able to read the 2 links in my post above yours.
I know the writer at NRO said that unions do NOT have to negotiate for non union member
which if true takes away the biggest "free ride' argument from unions against right to work.
If that is true and you meld that with the BLS stats on right to work states versus union states it would seem union members would be wise to consider not staying in a union.
were you able to read the 2 links in my post above yours.
I know the writer at NRO said that unions do NOT have to negotiate for non union member
which if true takes away the biggest "free ride' argument from unions against right to work.
If that is true and you meld that with the BLS stats on right to work states versus union states it would seem union members would be wise to consider not staying in a union.
houstonearlers
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You don't need government interference with a right to work statute. Just get the government out of it. Which means to right to work and no forcing employers by federal law to negotiate with employees once they form a union.
What prompted the Michugan Gov to get right to work eveb after he fist said he had no plans to do it was the unions tried to get the constiution changed to include collective bargaining as a right constitutional right.
The Unions called it the "Protect our jobs" campaign and spent millions. It failed
The campaogn should have been " protect the fat cat union leader jobs" since Michigan has the highest unemployment rate of all states.
The BLS statistics really show the difference both in number of jpbs created in last 10 years and in the income levels. Right to Work states have it going away over union states both in jobs and in income.
It is sad what the union bosses are doing to the rank and file and the rank and file is believeing every lie
The Unions called it the "Protect our jobs" campaign and spent millions. It failed
The campaogn should have been " protect the fat cat union leader jobs" since Michigan has the highest unemployment rate of all states.
The BLS statistics really show the difference both in number of jpbs created in last 10 years and in the income levels. Right to Work states have it going away over union states both in jobs and in income.
It is sad what the union bosses are doing to the rank and file and the rank and file is believeing every lie
I will say it. Unions are useless in today's world of laws and regulations. They have a rich history of corruption and ties to organized crime. They result in inflated wages for positions that require no skills.
When I graduated from college, I worked as an auditor. I was making a salary that equated to about $10 per hour. I audited payroll and employee files. One employee at the time was making in excess of $25 per hour with the title of "Sweeper." Yes, broom sweeping.
After more than 100 years in business, this company no longer exists. Totally due to unions? No. Were unions heavily responsible? Yes
Can someone justify the need for professional sports to have a union? What about the UAW trying to organize nurses in a hospital?
When I graduated from college, I worked as an auditor. I was making a salary that equated to about $10 per hour. I audited payroll and employee files. One employee at the time was making in excess of $25 per hour with the title of "Sweeper." Yes, broom sweeping.
After more than 100 years in business, this company no longer exists. Totally due to unions? No. Were unions heavily responsible? Yes
Can someone justify the need for professional sports to have a union? What about the UAW trying to organize nurses in a hospital?
So major league players now make a league minimum of what? I have a friend whose son, with no college education, makes more than $400,000 a year basically playing 95% of time in minors with an occasional call up for injury relief work.
Good for him and I am happy for him, but not sure it makes a lot of sense and major league sports will eventually eat itself alive with costs, primarily due to the union and player salaries. What does the average cost to take a family of four to an NBA game cost? I make a lot of money and I am not willing to pay for it - and most people cannot afford individually.
Most professional players would be happy playing basketball for $100,000 a year if the only alternative was punching a clock every day. The free market makes Mark Cuban want to pay millions for Dirk Nowitski so he does not play for someone else. Again, not sure unions are necessary, but I get your point.
Good for him and I am happy for him, but not sure it makes a lot of sense and major league sports will eventually eat itself alive with costs, primarily due to the union and player salaries. What does the average cost to take a family of four to an NBA game cost? I make a lot of money and I am not willing to pay for it - and most people cannot afford individually.
Most professional players would be happy playing basketball for $100,000 a year if the only alternative was punching a clock every day. The free market makes Mark Cuban want to pay millions for Dirk Nowitski so he does not play for someone else. Again, not sure unions are necessary, but I get your point.
I hear you about the cost of going to games. It is absurd, and player salaries are certainly a significant factor in that. I don't sympathize with professional athletes. They make a hell of a lot of money for playing a game. It is true that the union promotes that. However, they're promoting it through a free, competitive market, not through artificial means or government coercion. In the same way that I don't complain about CEOs who make obscene amounts of money in the free market system, i don't complain about professional athletes who do the same.
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