Martin/Zimmerman...the other side of the story

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We can either believe that Zimmerman tracking Martin down and killed him in cold blood or we can believe that Zimmerman was following him, lost contact and was returning when Martin came up from behind, a physical fight broke out, Martin bashed his head on the cement, Zimmerman yelling for help, and gun shot went off and a witness said Martin was on top of him doing exactly what Zimmerman said.
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If I'm on a jury and the latter scenario is plausible, I have to acquit Zimmerman of murder and likely manslaughter. The testimony should be interesting -- and the change in demeanor from the time Zimmerman steps out of the car and when he's purportedly eager to get back in it will be key. The defense must only prove reasonable doubt of guilt. As Stephen Colbert so coldy put it: "It's a classic case of "He Said He's Dead"

I don'tt think anyone now believes now that Zimmerman killed a helpless victim, though there is certainly there are other plausible scenarios besides assuming Zimmerman was sayiing "No Problem" and meekly retiring when attacked.
 
Mr. Deez,

I really don't know everything that happened and I feel nobody else does as well. That's my point. I just gave scenerio's that I feel are completely reasonable explainations to possible events. It seems like the media has taken this as a witchhunt for Zimmerman without the facts. They may report some facts but only facts that make Zimmerman look guilty.

As far as the witness goes, I read and not sure where that it was very soon after the incident and that is one of the reasons they the police didn't issue an arrest for Zimmerman.
 
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Geez. What a nutcase. I hadn't read the previous page where NuclearBear wished death upon someone's children. I wonder if he realizes that his vitriol makes his arguments or anything else he says irrelevant.
 
I'm looking for NB's apology and "sorry I was wasted last night" statement. It is the only explanation that would make any sense.
 
^If those guidelines were actually enforced to the letter, none of you would be able to recognize this board. I specifically refer to the bold parts In reply to:
 
Have you read the Police Report? If all you have read and heard is from the news without reading the Police Report how can you say there was probable cause? Why haven't the Feds or the State arrested him yet if Probable Cause is so easy to determine?

If you arrest someone for Probable Cause you have what 24 hours until you have to officially charge them?

I don't think they had the evidence or Probable Cause at the scene to arrest him then or now. They would have done it already. Unless someone can prove that he started the physical altercation, his word has to be taken and with the eye witness account of Traylon on top of him breaking his nose and banging his head against the concrete, the shooting is justified.

I have not read the Police Report but from all accounts this sounds like the one closest to what has been reported to the police. If there is nothing else, I don't see how you can arrest the guy.
 
Where did you read the Police Report, I have not seen it in it's entirety?

I have heard the 911 calls and there is a minute of time missing, did Zimmerman or Traylon attack? Who attacked first?

Based on what you have said, and your reading of the Police Report are there any witnesses that saw the begining of the attack?

From everything I have read, again I haven't read the Police Report, there is nothing other than Zimmerman's account of how the physcial altercation started. If that is true and it was Trayvon who started it, case closed self defense. There is no probable cause. Even if Zimmerman was following him, Trayvon started the physical part, case closed. You can follow anybody you want, this does not give you a right to attack anybody. If there were no witnesses to the start of the physical altercation, and Zimmerman's story is consistent, no arrest should have been made.

I am sure there are people that know more about the law then me but I can tell you if someone physcially assaults me, and I have a gun on me, there will be no hesitation.

Again, from what I have read and understand there is about a mintue that nobody knows what happens. From the time Zimmerman starts going back to the truck until the time the withness called 911. My understanding is all we have is Zimmerman's account of that minute.
 
discussion do get really heated and foul language does fly in here.

However I think wishing death on someone's child is so far over the line it is in a special vile place all its own.
 
Deez, this is my opinion of what happen and I'm basing this on the new evidence. Unless there is something new to change my mind, this makes too much sense to me.

Zimmerman is taking being the neighborhood watchdog very serious due to many break ins recently in the gated community. The police dept confirms that many break ins have occurred. Zimmerman spots Martin walking and the 911 call confirms what took place at that time. At the end of the 911 call the operator for 911 asked if he is following Martin. He stated yes and the operator told him not to do that. If you notice in the call Zimmerman was short of breath. From this point nobody knows what happened but Zimmerman. He stated when the operator told him not too follow Martin he then turned to go back to his car. From his left Martin appeared from nowhere and asked him why he is following him. Zimmerman stated he deny it to Martin that he is following him. Zimmerman then stated that Martin asked him "do you have a problem with me?" Zimmerman stated he doesn't. Then according to Zimmerman Martin stated "Now I got a problem with you.

At this time Zimmerman said that Martin sucker punched him in the nose and he went to the ground. It is confirmed that he did have a broken nose. While on the ground Martin then jumped on top of Zimmerman (somewhere during this time is the eye witness confirms this) and starts bashing Zimmerman's head on the concrete (an injury to Zimmerman's head confirms this). Zimmerman is yelling for help and the witness hollered at them to stop or he's going to call 911. The witness then went to get the phone and a gunshot went off shortly after that. When the witness returned to see what happened someone was laying on the ground and looked dead. Both Zimmerman and the Witness stories match and seem to match the police's finding that match their story.

This is very unfortunate that a young man has died. What's sickening is I'm guessing that there is 300 to 1 more black on black murders that nobody cares about and goes unsolved with no follow ups, but if a white/hispanic person kills with the evidence pointing as self-defense then the Al Sharpton and followers want an arrest and there would be rioting if he's not convicted even if the evidence shows he wasn't guilty.
 
On a side note, anyone who uses the term "The Left" as a way to speak for millions of people at a time is a ******* moron.
 
They are witnesses?? I would hate to see them on the stand under cross examination. It would end up with them admitting they know nothing.
 
Horn:

If you read Cutchers account it matches Zimmermans and the other "eye" witness account. She heard someone crying for help, heard the gun shot, the crying stopped and then she saw Zimmerman standing over the dead body? That concurs with what Zimmerman said and the other "Eye" Witness.
 
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