LSU game take aways

HIC,

Ingram wasn't the only receiver in that pattern. Another was 7 yards deep in the endzone and also open. I thought Sam was throwing the ball to the larger receiver.
 
Man, just saw Sam interviewed after the game by Alex Loeb. Asked him if he thought he had a good individual performance. Sam choked up and said no, not anytime they lose.

He seemed a bit off but gotta love this guy. The raw emotion in that interview. Allsome.

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Dionysus said:
Red zone O needs a little creativity
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Agree^^^. Also, our young corners played their hearts out and they will get better. Plus, they will not play a better, more accurate passer this season.
Our linebackers and D line are playing really well, and with each game will get better.
Our play calling needs to include the tight end in goal line passing game.
 
Another thing about Ingram’s dropped TD is that the play was otherwise executed perfectly, and it was an aggressive call that said we didn’t come here to kick field goals and play it safe. I think there’s a psychological edge to that attitude, especially early in the game. I like the call a lot in that moment.
 
SabreHorn said:
The referee was John McDade, who used to live just across the Potomac from DC, and works for Microsoft. He is not a favorite of anyone in the SEC.

That said, there were marginal, if not piss poor calls, but I'll take an SEC crew all day long over the lousy **** that Walt Anderson saddled the Big XII with as he exited. Lots of people with dental backgrounds or connections with the dental industry.

Mike Defee is the best referee in college football, but Anderson, Walleye Burks, and Bowelsby have saddled him with a crew that 4A coaches would pass on.
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Can you elaborate on the dental connection angle?
 
WorsterMan said:
Yup, coaches were asking a lot / too much of some of the young CB's against that team in some of those situations. Hope the players and especially the coaches learned something from it. We will see.
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Yep. The OSU game will tell us a lot about what to expect from this mostly young secondary going forward.
 
hornde68 said:
I agree with the announcer reviews. Herbstreit is the worst ‘cheerleader’ for a broadcaster, every single game. And he hates Texas with a passion. Makes me wonder if we didn’t recruit him, ala Mayfield, or something. I will never ever listen to that prick again. Turning off sound and going radio. Hell, the Longhorn broadcasters are more objective than those rah-rah clowns. And I do get tired of one-sided opinions even when it is our crew. I thought I was watching that ‘best team in history of college football, USC 2005’, again.
2. Or maybe #1, referees cannot win a game , but BigXII refs deserve an assist. They are beyond pathetic. For both sides, terrible. They have completely lost control of game management. I paid attention and kept score. On the 19 play drive, they had seven, SEVEN players down. Herbstreit explained that it was hot! No,duh. But apparently only on one side of the line. For player to be down, stagger off one play, and run back on like a deer! BS. Three times down, sit out a quarter. Seriously, they are either hurt or not. NCAA needs to address this. For player safety. You cant play for 20 seconds, stand around five minutes while some fat tub of guts wallows around, and do it over. It’s not fair for either side.
3. As for throwing long repeatedly, the answer is the question to why we didn’t run the short screens as against La. Tech. Seven or eight in the box, you cant do either till you make them respect deep pass. We scored twice because that worked. And nearly did two other times. That is why Ingram was so alone on the dropped TD pass.
4. Sadly, until we have at least a 4 good RB’s (and Roschon is a stud, but that still is only 2) we cant afford to run full running offense. Traps, mis-direction, RPO, etc. is just not practical. One injury to one of the GREAT RB’s and we have to play intramural all pass.
5. Damn what a stud OL! LSU is a damn good D and those guys did wonders. The game hasn’t changed in 90 years. Four of the first MNC’s in the 1930’s were Minnesota. Never threatened again. But back in the day, they had linemen with more X,Z, and Y’s in their names than vowels. Great, large corn fed Eastern Europeans (like Wisconsin today) and they ruled the line of scrimmage. Not sexy or flashy but it still works. Our current OL, new freshmen studs, and the recruits we have are going to put big big smiles on all of us for a long time. Bet on it.
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On your no.5–if you don’t have a competent OL you can’t run your offense. See Charlie Strong era. I hear you on Minnesota. They also had Bronco Nagurski—a one man gang.

Our young redshirt Freshman mauler Jr. Angilau is today’s equivalent of those linemen with too many consonants, and too few vowels, in their last names from the past. I’d like to see more like him. Weak traditional West Coast powers (USC, UCLA) + a weak U of Hawaii + a relatively weak BYU leaves lots of such players ripe for the picking on the recruiting trail. Although U of Utah, Oregon, and the Washington schools are grabbing up all the Polynesian Power they can get.
 
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Dionysus said:
Another thing about Ingram’s dropped TD is that the play was otherwise executed perfectly, and it was an aggressive call that said we didn’t come here to kick field goals and play it safe. I think there’s a psychological edge to that attitude, especially early in the game. I like the call a lot in that moment.
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It was a beautiful play design and call - you could tell they had practiced it.
And everything went perfect, except that one thing
 
horninchicago said:
it wasn't an accurate throw. Wide open, Sam just needed to lay it out at the goal line. Instead, it was slightly behind Ingram.
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and high. Agreed it was awkward. And when Ingram looked up a player looked to be barreling at him while his arms were up and he was exposed. Still catchable
 
X Misn Tx said:
and high. Agreed it was awkward. And when Ingram looked up a player looked to be barreling at him while his arms were up and he was exposed. Still catchable
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It's not like he had to reach behind him to catch it.
He turned to face the QB and the ball was right in his hands at about the top of his helmet.
I could've caught that.
It was taking his eyes off the ball that caused him to drop it.
Not a perfect pass but very catchable.
 
I'm not seeing anyone dispute that the ball was not catchable. I have said it was and probably should have been caught. But, it was not an accurate throw for being so wide open. Ingram was running to his left, looked over his left shoulder and then had to adjust his momentum and turn to his left. Should have been caught? Yes, but it wasn't Sam's best effort.

I'll say this, though. This is all setting up as vilifying Ingram for the drop. I'm sure he is beating himself up over it, but judging from Ehlinger's post game interview with Alex Loeb, I'm sure he would be the first to say it was not an accurate ball.
 
Great play call on a suspect decision on the first 4th and goal play. The Ingram drop was bizarre. It looked as if he swatted the ball away.

After the interception to get the ball right back, not taking the points on 4th and goal is also inexplicable and inexcusable , in my low IQ opinion.
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I see a lot of people saying this and I don't understand it. Why should whether or not Ingram drops the first one determine whether we go for it the second time?

My thinking is this: If you succeed even 3/7ths of the time (which is 43%, and the average is more like 55% from there), then you are better going for it - and that's even before considering that at least when you fail, the other team is stuck at the 2 instead of the likely 25 (which both makes them less likely to score on their next drive and make you more likely to score on your next drive after that b/c if they punt or turn it over, it's from further back). So really you have a strong argument to go for it as long as you can make it about 40%, at least in the first 3 quarters before endgame point margins matter.

Obviously in any one specific game, you can always find situations where you should have done one or the other based on hindsight. Remember the NFC Title game where Seattle beat Green Bay despite the Packers picking off Russell Wilson 4 or 5 times? Everyone concentrated on the crazy onside kick and the crazy 2 point conversion, and quickly forgot that Green Bay kicked 2 FGs in the 1st quarter from the Seattle 1 yard line. If they go for it both times and get it even once, they probably win that game.
 
Statalyzer said:
I see a lot of people saying this and I don't understand it. Why should whether or not Ingram drops the first one determine whether we go for it the second time?

My thinking is this: If you succeed even 3/7ths of the time (which is 43%, and the average is more like 55% from there), then you are better going for it - and that's even before considering that at least when you fail, the other team is stuck at the 2 instead of the likely 25 (which both makes them less likely to score on their next drive and make you more likely to score on your next drive after that b/c if they punt or turn it over, it's from further back). So really you have a strong argument to go for it as long as you can make it about 40%, at least in the first 3 quarters before endgame point margins matter.

Obviously in any one specific game, you can always find situations where you should have done one or the other based on hindsight. Remember the NFC Title game where Seattle beat Green Bay despite the Packers picking off Russell Wilson 4 or 5 times? Everyone concentrated on the crazy onside kick and the crazy 2 point conversion, and quickly forgot that Green Bay kicked 2 FGs in the 1st quarter from the Seattle 1 yard line. If they go for it both times and get it even once, they probably win that game.
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I am not a statalyzer like you, but Texas had failed on 7/7 goal to go plays at that point. Seems like it is time to then kick a field goal, which I think is probably a higher probability positive outcome from that close vs another 4th and goal play from scrimmage.
 
Phil Elliott said:
You touch it, you should catch it. Same goes for CJ on the onside kick.
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Again, I have stated multiple times he should have caught it. Shouldn't Ehlinger have placed it more accurately to a wide open receiver as well? I am trying to point out that the game didn't hinge on that play. Why couldn't we punch it in on the first 3 plays?
 
My sense is that most of our fans (obviously not all of them, lol^) are actually encouraged by this game even though it was a home loss. I think most people realize that Tom Herman was basically starting from scratch given the mess left to him by Mack Brown/Charlie Strong/DeLoss Dodds/Steve Patterson.

Plus everyone remembers Mack Brown had never even won a single conference championship until his 22nd year as a Head Coach in 2005, right? And even that was not until his 8th season here. And I would argue Brown was left with more talent than Herman was. Texas had won 3 straight conference titles 1994-96 but then went 4-7 in 1997 which finally got Mackovic the boot. Tom Herman, however, was handed a team that had gone 8-5, 6-7, 5-7 and 5-7, which was just about the worst stretch in the history of Texas football (it certainly felt that way at the time).
 
The offense played very well, putting up 38 against what is supposedly one of the nation’s top Ds. So I don’t want to nitpick too much. However, I noticed that Sam is frequently throwing behind Jake and not leading him enough. Jake’s a very fast dude. You have to lead him more than most WRs.
 
Joe Fan said:
The kick was perfect and we sent the right player after it. So close.
How much fun would that have been?
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Texas would have scored in 2 or 3 plays.
What chaps me was the fumble that someone decided it was only a dropped pass. I would say they were looking at different views than we see. But at DKR we see what they see. That was the takeaway that Texas needed to win the game.
 
caryhorn said:
Agree^^^. Also, our young corners played their hearts out and they will get better. Plus, they will not play a better, more accurate passer this season.
Our linebackers and D line are playing really well, and with each game will get better.
Our play calling needs to include the tight end in goal line passing game.
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What goal line passing game ??? Herman doesn't use one apparently.
 
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