Kobe is clutch

I'm beginning to wonder if you're actually reading my posts.

1) I didn't say the stats were subjective. I said that clutchness - how it is defined - is subjective. This entire discussion is a great case in point. Is it measured in the last 5 minutes of a game? Final shot of a game? FG%? Points? Game winners? Playoffs? Ask 100 people to define clutchness and you might get 100 definitions.

2) I also didn't say that only playoff performances could be considered clutch. But I'll bite... when a player comes up big throughout the regular season but fails miserably in the playoffs, they are usually considered to not be clutch. (Big Game Bob. Romo. I'm sure there are better examples out there...) When more is at stake, there is more pressure to perform. Clutch players step up when the pressure/competition is at its highest - at least in "my definition of clutch."

3) The reference to small sample size wasn't referring to the number of seasons. It was specifically referring to the fact that the stats were based on about 50 or fewer shot attempts. That's a pretty small sample size.

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Well since you're the stats guy, why don't you devise some type of hypothesis tests on these samples to see which ones are statistically significant and which aren't?
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Hornpharmd - you're right. I guess its just turning into a "who can get the last word" contest.

...I'm trying to step away from the keyboard.

Can't. Stop. Typing.
 
This thread is pure unadulterated silliness.

Kobe is a monster. He gets the ball at the end of the game. He delivers often enough. He is 'clutch.' He wants the ball, he gets it, and he delivers often enough. Nothing else really matters. He may not statistically be a great game winner via last second shots, but he is part of the group that can be considered clutch and he does it in spite of everyone knowing where the ball is going.

The guy is a great, great basketball player. He often elevates his game in the crunch.

CLUTCH.
 
Id take Vince Young over either Kobe or Lebron.

Dont believe me? Here is the VIDEO proof:

Vince Young Wins

Who woulve thought that his ability to win games in the last second on the football field would transfer to a basketball court...


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Kobe misses game winning shot against Toronto today. If he made it, he would be on the front page of ESPN again, but because he missed it nobody noticed.
 
I did watch the game. I was watching it in China and at first I thought it was a replay going to show one of Kobe's game winners. But then he missed the last second shot and I knew it wasn't a replay. Believe it or not, I don't go digging up Kobe's last shot in every game to see if he missed. Just happened to notice it while I was watching and surprise, nobody mentioned here.

Statalyzer is right. That is a straw man argument when you say I say he should make every one. Obviously he doesn't need to make every last second shot to be clutch, but a higher percentage would be nice. I'm pretty sure hornpharmd didn't watch the game because Kobe's last second shot WASN'T a 38 foot heave (that was the 3rd quarter last second shot he missed), it was more like a 29 footer. He was about 3-4 foot outside the 3 point arc and got off a good shot that didn't go in. He also missed a 3 point shot with 13 seconds left and the game tied and his last shot before that at the one minute mark. The fact that nobody mentioned it here and I am "pathetic" for even mentioning a last second miss (hornpharmd, btw, posted just after one of Kobe's recent game winners and cited it as proof he is ultra-clutch) just goes to show why he is so hyped up, namely everyone forgets his misses and remembers his makes.
 
"I haven't been going silent at all."

Well perhaps you missed some great posts by Naphan and Buckhorn durng your 4 days of non posting in which you came back with Oh, Kobe missed a 38 foot 3 pointer with 1 second left last night.

So I'll repost for you.....Best post of thread from Buckhorn:
This thread is pure unadulterated silliness.

Kobe is a monster. He gets the ball at the end of the game. He delivers often enough. He is 'clutch.' He wants the ball, he gets it, and he delivers often enough. Nothing else really matters. He may not statistically be a great game winner via last second shots, but he is part of the group that can be considered clutch and he does it in spite of everyone knowing where the ball is going.

The guy is a great, great basketball player. He often elevates his game in the crunch.

CLUTCH.


Hornfan16, we obviously know your opinion. And that is okay, you are allowed to have a different opinion. Just realize it is different from the majority.
 
I didn't miss it. There was no new content there, just another poster giving his opinion that Kobe is clutch with no evidence whatsoever to back it up. But since you want me to reply, I will.

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Hornfan16, c'mon man, you did go silent afer my last post. It was nothing but crickets chirping...until kobe missed a game winner. So instead of responding, you lobbed up a lame "kobe missed one tonight and nobody noticed because it wasn't headline news."

Anyway, the bottom line for me is that that relying on stats alone to prove clutchness leads to ridiculous conclusions.

Case in point: Bierce's comment after the Lakers/Mav's game:
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