Ivan Maisel on UT Recruiting

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This is from Maisel's latest chat:

Paul (Harrisburg, PA): Mack Brown at Texas, among others, has already committed many players for 2010. How realistic is that? Is recruiting this early a prelude to players being dumped by colleges if they don't live up to expectations? How many of the 20+ recruits will actually make it to Texas & who will do the dismissing, the school or the player?

Ivan Maisel: I am mystified that Texas already has -- did I hear 17? -- commitments. I actually discussed this last week with Charlie Weis, who has three. He said he called and asked Mack about his philosophy, and that Mack told him they are Texas kids who want to go to Texas. Fine. But what about the growth and maturation that takes place during senior year. And what about the theory, which one coach explained to me, that you have to be careful with kids from Texas. The high school programs there are so advanced, he said, that sometimes what you're getting is the finished product. He's not going to get bigger or faster. In other words, I would be wary, too."



Yeah, whatever. Everyone wishes they had this class for 2010.

You will eat those words Maisel......you dewsh.



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Ivan Maisel, everyone in this chat is now dumber for having read this. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
yeah. Mack and staff need to be careful. I hope they've seen film and stuff, and have maybe seen these early recruits up close, you know, like to evaluate them. I hope they've taken everything into consideration. this whole thing could blow up in our faces and spell d-o-o-m.
 
yeah, look at all the winning we're doing with these scrubs. imagine what we'd do if we had real players.

maisel is well worth reading. he's a smart, smart man.
 
Roma basically beat me to it, who the hell cares what Charlie Weis thinks........but now that I think about it, Weis DID end ND's bowl losing streak.......by beating the likes of Hawaii (minus June Jones no less).

It seems that journalist these days are so eager to jump on something negative whether it's substantial or not. I don't give two shits what some coach said about Texas high school players, if the players are SOOOOOOOO maxed out, than wouldn't be great if the rest of the nation realized that and stopped recruiting Texas and let the Texas schools (might as well include the Oklahoma schools) have all that ****** Texas high school football talent.

You know though, some of that maxed out talent (Texas talent on OU's team) put an *** whoopin on FSU back in 2000 when EVERYBODY thought that FSU would win. Some of that maxed out talent put an *** whoopin on USC back in 2005 when EVERYBODY thought that USC would win (I don't even recall who that team was, do any of y'all??). Will it happen again this year, will Texas kids have a chance to put an *** whoopin on another media darling......it just might. Any dickweed coach that has something to say about Texas high school football OBVIOUSLY doesn't have to deal with playing against Texas talent all that often.

And of course let's not forget the damn perception out there among some journalist that Texas players are "soft".
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. Texas HS football overrated huh.............RIIIIIIGHT.
 
Why do kids in Texas not grow?

That is just a stupid statement. They may not get better at the game, but the idea that Texas HS has fully matured teens vs the rest of the nation is dumb.

There are more players in the NFL who played HS ball in Texas than any other state. So obviously Texas is a horrible place to get players.

You do have to worry that the player you're recruiting may be maxxed in potential. This is something that happens everywhere and Texas doesn't lead in that category.

Texas players are better coached for certain systems. Ivan should stick to answering questions he actually may have an answer for.

The guy in PA is obviously stunned, just like everyone on how Texas has 21 recruits, and likely more before the Summer even hits. A class that could finish the tops in the nation. If White and Jeffcoat jump on board, that's most likely. Add Seastrunk and its a given.
 
That whole "Texas players are maxed out" thing would be a lot more reasonable if the Longhorns were taking only, say, MVPs from the biggest, richest schools each year.

Rule of thumb on all these matters is: Who else is on a kid's offer list? If a Texas kid has offers from Texas, OU, LSU, USC, Florida or some combination, you can be sure that he's as legit as you're going to get. Additionally, if you find that he's an offensive player sought by Okie State and/or Tech in addition to the above, you can be sure he's legit.

And as others have pointed out, it's not like Texas doesn't send huge numbers of players to colleges all over the country and then on to the NFL. So this bit about how Texas players are maxed out - with no criteria given for how you measure that, to say nothing of similar consideration given to other football-playing statistical groups - is complete ********.

But in any case, asking a freaking Notre Dame coach in ANY era about what's best for recruiting to Texas is asinine. Notre Dame has to recruit nationally. Why not talk to Urban Meyer about how soon they get in on Florida kids, or JoePa about how early recruiting has worked for Penn State?

On recruiting, Maisel seems to be stuck in the '80s with Max Emfinger and Tom Lemming. I bet he's got a generic column stashed away for every February in which he talks about how unseemly it is we pay so much attention to the decisions of a bunch of 18-year-olds.
 
The guys who asked teh question obviously knows nothing about Texas recruiting. Mack has been doing this for years. He takes a bunch of Texas kids early. These kids have been developing for years and going to the NFL as well. Brian Orakpo is a recent example. Also Mack signs those kids. He doesn't abandon them. Maisel doesn't even address these facts. He just brushes past them basically agreeing with the guy who asked the question....which tells me that Maisel doesn't really know all that much about Texas recruiting either.
 
There is a reason why Charlie and the chocolate factory only has 3 commits.

What should be said at the end of the paragraph was, " But ask any coach in America if he would take the recruiting class that Mack has now and you wouldnt find one that wouldnt trade in a heartbeat."

Questioning the philosophy of one of the top recruiters in the nation and a coach with one of the top winning percentages in the nation is weak.
 
Funny thing is, Maisel should know better about Texas high school football players, given his background as a former sportswriter for the Dallas Morning News. Maybe that's why he's a "former" Dallas sportswriter.
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There are some issues with recruiting early. Sometimes an injury will take a top prospect from sure starter to a maybe can play after two years of rehab. Maybe some OL out there will grow 4 inches and 30 pounds and go from interesting to dominant and we'll miss out. Mack knows the risks he takes. I'd trust him over Charlie Weiss.
 
He has a point. Mack should probably be looking for diamonds in the rough, guys with potential, instead of all these studs who can play at a high D1 level right out of high school.

No, wait.
 
What's the alternative? Waiting until the next football season is over to extend offers? Riiiiggghhht. Its not like there's another football season between now and then to re-evaluate the talent.

Also, Mack has probably extended fewer offers (about 30) for the 2010 recruiting class than most D1 coaches.
 
I wasn't Weis who said Texas players were possibly maxed out. I believe it was Butch Davis at Carolina. He was probably just trying to get the boosters off his *** for not recruiting Texas kids. Weis (or Maisel) are only the idiots who read that drool and believed it was a legitimate theory worth repeating. I'm pretty sure Weis would be happy to take at least 17 of those overweighted anchors off Macks boat today.. And who cares what Maisel thinks, we'll never have a shortage of squirrelly little journalist with a blind agenda due to Bevo envy
 
It's always true that Joe Bob Podunkski from Cut 'n Chute might grow six inches his senior year and turn into the baddest defensive lineman in the state, and someone like Jeffcoat or Matthews only remains the best player in the nation at their position. So we should specialize in waiting for the Joe Bobs of the world? I don't think so.
It's like all recruiting. Some five star talents might not pan out, and some unheralded guys will become All-American. But on average, you do better with the highest rated recruits. Weiss and Maisel should stick to rating all you can eat buffets, something about which they experienced.
 
Besides, instead of Weis asking about Mack's recruiting, shouldn't he really be asking around about how to get rid of that unsightly FUPA?
 
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