Iran Attacks US Forces at Al Assad

[Monahorns]

That was probably my favorite Trump tweet. Encourage the Iranian people. They are our allies. The Ayatollah? Nope.

 

[Horn6721]

Steve Simon wrote an oped in NYTimes on Jan 2 about hypersonic missiles and how it changes warfare as hypers can be anywhere in the world in minutes and can't be stopped.
The amazingly interesting part tho is when he asked in paragraph 11 what if former Commander of Revolutionary Guard General Suleimani were traveling to Baghdad and you knew the address?
Amazing coincidence? Maybe. As has been pointed out Suliemani would not have been the first Iranian leader thought if as a target . Why on Jan 2 did Simon use the word former ? Suliemani was still the Commander.
Amazing coincidence to choose Bagdad. Interesting that Suleimani who typically travelled in his private jet flew commercial with Syria's Cham Wing airline on Jan 3.

Simon could just be lucky.
Opinion | Hypersonic Missiles Are a Game Changer

 

[Joe Fan]

That was probably my favorite Trump tweet. Encourage the Iranian people. They are our allies. The Ayatollah? Nope.

 

[2003TexasGrad]

Cant be seen agreeing with Trump ON ANYTHING!

 

[Joe Fan]

Cant be seen agreeing with Trump ON ANYTHING!

It does seem that they are completely unable to talk or even think about anything but Trump. It's like a middle school teen always telling you how much she hates Jimmy. (When we all know that she secretly wants to be caught making whoopee with Jimmy)

 

[Joe Fan]

Why do liberals keep insisting on calling it a "plane crash?"
It wasn't a plane crash. The plane was shot down by a missile (or missiles) and everyone knows this. Calling it a "plane crash" is misleading and dishonest.

Is the answer really as simple as "Trump?" He seems to be the reason they do or dont do anything and everything

 

[Joe Fan]

Is there a link to this?

Michael Doran was a senior director in President Bush’s National Security Council





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So this guy below, Alex Plitsas, has some followup to the tweetstream above by Michael Doran who was on Bush’s NSC. This guy was on Team Obama and worked at the Pentagon.


Alex Plitsas on Twitter

To see the rest, just open the stream up -- there are 17 tweets total (worth the quick look)

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

Interesting question -- What is the answer?

I think the question this Daily Wire guy raised was a good one. Why did Iran insist they did not bring down this plane, then get the bulldozers out there to quickly scrub the area, followed by a quick public reversal of their position? They said, "Whoops, an accident, our bad, time to move on." There has to be a reason.

Here is one possibility. It was not an accident, but rather a deliberate act. Which leads to -- if so, then why do that? Again, just one possibility. To take an entire intellectual opposition group (or groups).

 

[2003TexasGrad]

"3. The sanctions put into place were working and the internal pressure in Iran was forcing them to the table. The communications were happening behind closed doors and most on the national security community were unaware it was happening."

So.... kinda like a quid pro quo?

 

[Joe Fan]

I thought this was kind of interesting

 

[mchammer]

I thought this was kind of interesting

Most people have common decency. A cursory reading of Japanese occupation in China shows they too had a majority of occupiers with common decency.

 

[Joe Fan]

... A cursory reading of Japanese occupation in China shows they too had a majority of occupiers with common decency.

Was that sarcasm?

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[mchammer]

Was that sarcasm?

No, like the Germans, there was rot at the top and within the military that attracted cruel people. Most were not like that.

 

[Joe Fan]

No, like the Germans, there was rot at the top and within the military that attracted cruel people. Most were not like that.

The Japanese treated the Chinese horribly
JAPANESE BRUTALITY IN CHINA | Facts and Details

 

[Joe Fan]

Media and Dems need to be called out for supporting this regime

 

[mchammer]

The Japanese treated the Chinese horribly
JAPANESE BRUTALITY IN CHINA | Facts and Details

We are talking past each other. My grandfather in law who was a POW in Manchuria for 4 years said the Japanese didn’t treat others harsher than they treated their own. The rank and file soldiers based on my reading for the most part didn’t particularly want to be in China and had no contempt for others. Others on the other hand had opportunity to act out their contempt on the Chinese if their commanding officers encouraged it or acted indifferent.

 

[Joe Fan]

We are talking past each other. My grandfather in law who was a POW in Manchuria for 4 years said the Japanese didn’t treat others harsher than they treated their own. ...

Good for him (sincerely). But it sounds like he got better treatment than most

The treatment of American and allied prisoners by the Japanese is one of the abiding horrors of World War II. Prisoners were routinely beaten, starved and abused and forced to work in mines and war-related factories in clear violation of the Geneva Conventions. Of the 27,000 Americans taken prisoner by the Japanese, a shocking 40 percent died in captivity, according to the U.S. Congressional Research Service. That compares with just one percent of American prisoners who died in German POW camps.
The U.S. POWs Still Waiting For an Apology From Japan​

And the Chinese got it even worse

 

[Joe Fan]

Some of you might find this interesting, BBC guy gives the reaction from various newspapers inside Russia to the Iranian admission about the downing of the airplane

 

[Mr. Deez]

I thought this was kind of interesting

Of course, American university students would happily take a piss on both flags.

 

[Statalyzer]

Japan in China and Russia in Eastern Europe may have been the two cases where it seriously was a majority of everyone, at the bottom and top and everywhere in between.

 

[bystander]

Of course, American university students would happily take a piss on both flags.

I consider the need to be a cynic and a hater of patriotism at such an early age to be either anesthesia for an inferiority complex or evidence of an ego that cannot be assuaged by actual accomplishment.

 

[Horn6721]

Last week JF posted



Now that we know Iran is firing live ammo into protestors and has killed has any of Dems besides Biden above spoken out against the Regime like Trump did?
Why not?
I see Klobuchar made a statement.

 

[I35]

Why is everybody blaming Trump for killing the terrorist Soleimani? Shouldn’t they be blaming the missile???

 

[Joe Fan]

Of course, American university students would happily take a piss on both flags.

Or worse

 

[OUBubba]

terrifying? Naw ... exhilarating .... u bet. It was howdy duty time.

blood pressure/rate ... no real change, believe it or not. That's not required for the fangs in a fighter pilot.

yeah ... lucy got some splainin to do which is also gonna upset that "unwritten rule" discussed in the tablet article above.



gently? what's that mean?

... Unless the times of the reports are in error, it was actually a couple of hours after the Iranians' missile strike to the shoot-down of the 737.

They didn't intend to shoot the 737, they DID intend to kill US Troopers, fully expecting "shock and awe" in response, which contributed to why the 737 got shot down.

I thought it was 20 minutes after but I could be wrong. I agree they were likely looking for Shock and Awe. Hannity yammering on about B-52's in the middle east didn't help. Shock and Awe will be the death of us all.

By "gentle" I meant that it seems like they were about as successful in their attack on us as we were on those Syrian runways. I think they did not want to escalate so they wanted an attack that would allow them to "save face" yet not ramp up our side any further. I don't know if that was why they sent out messages via multiple routes they they were through responding. It could have had more to do with their inadvertent shooting down of the plane after their "oh crap" moment.

 

[OUBubba]

Why is everybody blaming Trump for killing the terrorist Soleimani? Shouldn’t they be blaming the missile???

I have not seen one person claiming that Soleimani didn't deserve to die. What I've seen is that the last two President's had the capability to do what we did. They didn't have or seek authorization from Congress as he is not some fly by night terrorist, he's a General and it is an act of war against a sovereign. You know, the kind of sovereign that Ollie North sold arms to AFTER they kidnapped US citizens.

The way to take away power from him and his kind (the guy that's going to replace him) is through diplomacy and things like the Iran nuclear agreement.

What happened was Trump was railing about the agreement as a campaign point. The first two rounds of people he hired counseled him to leave it in place. It took getting down to sound, peaceful minds like Bolton and Pompeo before he got to kill the deal and this is the outcome. A less safe world.

 

[Horn6721]

What was Osama?
Gaddifi?
Did obama seek authorization from anyone including Pakistan ?
Did he seek approval to send over 100 tomahawks into Libya?.

 

[bystander]

Everyone is saying had we not assassinated the General that the 737 tragedy would not have occurred. I'd say that is a true fact. But the blame lies on the Iranians. Why did they not ground all flights in their country before their attack?