Introducing this year's non-BCS darling

Big 12 teams, teams currently playing in the B12. Everyone knows BYU really sucked before roughly the 80s.

BYU is 1-1 against aggy.
 
Give BYU credit for what they are. A pretty big fish in a little pond. I think BYU does something pretty amazing at times with the players they get. Maybe 1 or 2 of their entire roster would get a look here. If they had TCU's roster they would be even better. BUT, they could never compete in the Big 12 or Pac 10. They may rise up every once in a while, but they would not be in the upper echelon of the conference.
 
The more I look at the numbers it seems that BYU would be middle of the pack in the Pac 10 or Big 12. Since 1980 BYU has winning or even records with 12 teams from those two conferences.

Arizona 1-1
ASU 2-2
Cal 2-1
Oregon 2-1
Washington State 2-1
Baylor 1-1
CU 2-0
KSU 1-0
Mizz 1-0
OU 1-0
A&M 1-1
UT 2-0


Why do you guys ignore the fact that BYU is 2-0 against us? The last time we played they gave us a beat down, 47-6. We played twice and they beat us twice. Not a lot of room to just totally dismiss BYU. I don’t think anyone is claiming that BYU is a mega-program like UT, SC, OU, OSU, etc., but by the same token, BYU is certainly capable of playing with the likes of the mid-level BCS schools and occasionally beating the big boys. That has pretty much been proven.
 
BYU is a BCS program playing in the mid-majors.

Take attendance. In 2006 BYU ranked 26th in the nation in average attendance at 61,000 per game. This average is higher than most teams in the Pac 10 or Big 12. BYU has a higher attendance than: Oregon, Missouri, Arizona, Arizona St., Texas Tech, KSU, ISU, CU, KU, Stanford, Okie State, Baylor, Washington, Oregon State. There are probably others, but I stopped counting.
 
Why do you keep using "our" when referring to UT, Hagy? Clearly you have some sort of ill will towards the Longhorns. How long have you been a BYU fan?
 
I'm no fan of BYU and still think their MNC was extremely good fortune. But I see them as comparable to Tech in the Big 12 - they could terrorize aggy and find the occasional nut against UT and OU, but they would never win the conference. In fact, they would do well in the current B12 North, although me and a roster of tulips could do well in the current B12 North.
 
I'll never forget that year BooHooU played aggy in the Cotton Bowl.
After Detmer and co. ran their mouths about how they deserved better, the rectum crew separated both of Ty's shoulders in the first quarter and when on to win by 30 points or more.

That's the one time I can remember feeling really good fro an aggy win.

F BooHooU. Anyone from former WAC country knows what a bunch of tittie-babies they are.
 
"Why the hate for BYU? They are a good program. Anybody care to recall what happened the last two times we played them?

BYU is every bit as good as any of the other teams in the Big 12 outside of Texas and OU. Year to year that might change but I would without question put them in the top half of any BCS conference. "

Thank You Haggy. I honestly think they would have beaten the horns in 2006, and last year would have been an even match IMO. But no one wants to give them credit. It's this type of BCS elitist attitude that is ruining CFB.
 
Wildcat09, I'll forgive you for you're lack of knowledge regarding BYU. But here's some quick info. They have an Atheletic Department that is on par or competitive with UT's. It is just as hard to get into BYU as it is to get into UT. Their academics are first rate. Your post reeks of arrogance, and myopism. Do a little research first. Oh and last time I checked, they have had back to back top 15 finishes, and that was with a patched up walk-on secondary.
 
Vol Horn 4 Life

BYU was better than Hawaii, (hell their 2006 team would have beaten 2006 BSU). BYU always try to play BCS teams (schedule up, while Hawaii schedules down), but many won't come to Provo to play (in the past few years) because for them they have nothing to gain. We had to replace Nevada on our schedule with Northern Iowa becuase Nevada violated their contract with us by signing up to play Texas Tech. Each year, BYU gets ranked as the top non-BCS team in recruiting (despite it being in a BS star rating system that doesn't prove jack). The main problem was their lack of exposure with their TV deal that they are on after telling ESPN to shove it. Oh and don't forget, we are QB U.
 
Give BYU credit for what they are. A pretty big fish in a little pond. I think BYU does something pretty amazing at times with the players they get. Maybe 1 or 2 of their entire roster would get a look here. If they had TCU's roster they would be even better. BUT, they could never compete in the Big 12 or Pac 10. They may rise up every once in a while, but they would not be in the upper echelon of the conference.


What was amazing was that we went 11-2 in a big rebuilding year. Our secondary was dubbed the "Walk-on Brigade" because of all the pre-season injuries. But thanks to coach Jaimie Hill our secondary has helped our defense to a top 10 ranking the past two years (a sequel to White Men Can't Jump will be about these young men titled "White Men Can't Cover, lol). I'm also willing to guess that some of the posters on this board forgot us beating #1 ranked Miami back in 1990.

As a side note, I root for All Texas teams. I love seeing UT do well, but compared to BYU Texas has underachieved for being the flagship school in the best football state in the country.
 
No problem here with BYU...I just don't think about or notice them very much since Lavell Edwards left as coach a long while back.

A quick thought about the slam of the Big 12 North...I've put them down in the past as not holding their own with the south, but last time I checked, the north's playing pretty good, and that doesn't even include Nebraska, which I think will get a whole lot better under Pelini in the next two or three years. We've had our trouble with K-State the last couple of years, for goodness' sake.
 
I stand corrected, that was the holiday bowl.

Hagy, I grew up in el Paso and UTEP was always competitive with BYU in basketball. That's where my experience with BooHooU fans comes from. Yes, BYU owned everyone in the WAC at football, but seriously, who gives a crap if you whip up on NMSU, UTEP and Wyoming every year in football. We were barely even aware that UTEP had a football team...

BYU fans have a reputation every where in WAC country of being poor sports with a very high opinion of themselves.... Just like aggy

That and the fact that there entire team is above the age of 25 because they go on "missions" before they enroll: time which they really spend training for football. (Think about it, you ever had a 260lb Tongan in a suit and tie come to your house and try to sell you on Joseph Smith and his magic decoder stone.)

Plus, Jim McMahan played there. And everyone knows what a colossal chode-pump that guys is.
 
CougarBlue so you respond to a supposed personal attack with one of your own. I see how it works. Again you confirm your own "self righteous" ignorance by the UVSC comment. Let's see, I went to UVSC....I'm pissed off because I couldn't get into BYU, so I hate BYU ,therefore I use the name "BYUHORN" because of lack of intelligence . I'm sure that's what you're getting at. I actually expected such a response.

Yeah, I'll admit my post could've been better stated, but frankly I don't give a "fetch". (Is that "Happy Valley" enough for you?)

My point is this...you come on a site for no other reason than to claim BYU's next national championship. Using half-truths, i.e using a 3-7-1 Pitt team and a 6-6 A&M team ,to validate BYU's suppossed dominance against BCS teams, hoping that either no else would call you on it or rather, you simply just didn't do your research. Personally, I think you're no different than about 90% of the BYU fan base, you didn't do your research, and you look at the name and ranking of a team that BYU defeated over a decade (or two) ago once or twice w/o looking to the end result, i.e. that team was no good to begin with. HINT: Don't use ****** teams as an example to validate your point.

Using statistics from 20 years ago to prove a point about the present is flawed. So what if BYU beat A&M back in '96 or a number #5 Pitt team, and especially Texas in '86 and '87. First of all, everyone knows that Texas was not a power during the late 80's and early 90's which was the opposite of BYU. Would you like to imagine '04 & '05 Texas against an 04' & '05 BYU? I doubt it.

You did strike a nerve, because I get so sick of hearing BYU alum and fans , whether it be in Utah, or elsewhere gripe about not getting enough respect. Fact is....... BYU's schedule has only one or two "decent "teams a year, BCS or not.

If BYU goes undefeated, then you have a legitmate complaint. However, complaining and griping has become perhaps the most prominant BYU fan base created "tradition". Quite frankly it embarrases me, and you've proved my long-standing complaint about BYU fans. That you're "BYU" fans only, and NOT "college football "fans. You don't acknowledge what's going on in the rest of the football world, you pay attention to BYU football and MWC football only. Therefore, you lack the capacity to see or debate football objectively or admit that BYU is actually not the only team worth watching.

Who gives a rat's *** if BYU beat Texas in '86 and '87 or Miami in the early 90's. What do the 1980's and 90's have to with today? If BYU wins out this year and the next, including impressive wins against QUALITY opponents, then I'll standvcorrected. Until then stop griping and let wins and losses vs. LEGITIMATE opponents do the talking.

By the way Cougarblue, you're probably thinking that I'm a Blaspheme for speaking this way about BYU. I just happen to be one of those who didn't go to BYU because of the football team. If I had chosen a school based upon football, I would've gone to TEXAS.
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Detective, what is your poinnt exactly?

My point is very simple: BYU is and has been, a legit middle of the road BCS quality team. That's all. I think there is substantial evidence to support this. BYU could easily play with the average to bad BCS teams and occasionally pull the upset against the big boys. BYU is a pretty big school with a very big fan base. We're not talking about a tiny school where nobody shows up for games. BYU typically does a good job at scheduling quality OOC opponents. What else are they supposed to do?

As for the reputation of their fans. Seriously, are you going to come to that determination based on the opinion of rival fans. Could you be any less objective. Are we going to ask aggy about what they think of us, or of what we think of OU fans, and on and on. Please...
 
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