Impeachment

[bystander]

I thought SH and others on this board wanted Trump investigated because he may be compromised by info held by foreign countries. Yet, the same principle doesn’t apply to the Bidens? SMH.

Biden was compromised by his son's employment. There is no way around it. Did Biden act in a compromised manner or was he somehow able to make truly unbiased decisions as if his son was not there at all?

 

[OUBubba]

Biden was compromised by his son's employment. There is no way around it. Did Biden act in a compromised manner or was he somehow able to make truly unbiased decisions as if his son was not there at all?

A. The only public decision he made was to be in step with the rest of the western world and ask for the prosecutor to be removed.
2. That action actually opened up Burisma a risk of being investigated as an investigation into that operation was dormant.
III. I wish Biden would welcome an investigation into his actions and also pull out of the Presidential race so as to remove it as being an issue going forward. Hell, h's 77 or so now. My mom's 77 and still working part time. She doesn't need to be.

 

[mchammer]

 

[mchammer]

Told you. The whole thing is a **** show. I hope this happens because this will be one more log on the fire of SH’s credibility.

 

[Garmel]

Told you. The whole thing is a **** show. I hope this happens because this will be one more log on the fire of SH’s credibility.

If they vote for it then it goes to the senate, Schiff and the whistleblower will have to testify. Are they willing to let that happen? We'll see.

 

[horninchicago]

If they vote for it and it goes to the senate, Schiff and the whistleblower will have to testify. Are they willing to let that happen? We'll see.

If, big IF, Schiff were to actually testify, couldn't he just plead the 5th on everything? Does anyone think he would actually answer honestly and then be held to account if he didn't? Sounds like a nothing burger the notion of his testifying.

Trump said today he wants a trial. If nothing else, it would throw the Dem campaigns into chaos. The buffoons on the Dem side would be forced to be in DC for the trial for the weeks it would take. I suspect McConnell would drag it out.

 

[mchammer]

If, big IF, Schiff were to actually testify, couldn't he just plead the 5th on everything? Does anyone think he would actually answer honestly and then be held to account if he didn't? Sounds like a nothing burger the notion of his testifying.

Trump said today he wants a trial. If nothing else, it would throw the Dem campaigns into chaos. The buffoons on the Dem side would be forced to be in DC for the trial for the weeks it would take. I suspect McConnell would drag it out.

Congressmen have immunity so no need for the 5th

 

[horninchicago]

Congressmen have immunity so no need for the 5th

Ah, well there you go. Media will defend him for not answering questions and call not a Republican....wait for it...witch hunt. Heard it here first.

 

[Horn6721]

How many people would see Schiff refusing to answer as that he has stuff he does not want the American people to know?

 

[horninchicago]

How many people would see Schiff refusing to answer as that he has stuff he does not want the American people to know?

But the media would defend it, so it wouldn't affect him in any way. They would make him a hero for not answering.

 

[Horn6721]

Yea HiC you are probably right

 

[horninchicago]

Just saw a Dem on Fox News who said Trump did it.

So...I'm out.

 

[horninchicago]

Anyone else here think that Trump's ego and confidence are such that he would not even consider holding aid over Zelensky's head to get him to look into what happened in 2016? I mean, he's Donald Trump. He doesn't seem to be lacking in confidence.

Seriously, is the whole thing just flawed from that standpoint alone?

The fragile egos belong to the career government people.

 

[Garmel]

The fragile egos belong to the career government people.

Yeah, they are. Their testimony also shows why Trump wanted to deal with Guiliani in Ukraine instead of them.

 

[horninchicago]

Yeah, they are. Their testimony also shows why Trump wanted to deal with Guiliani in Ukraine instead of them.

Yep, why would he assign the same career types under whose watch all that corruption happened? Yet they were uncomfortable with and didn't like Rudy. Boo freaking hoo.

 

[ShAArk92]

unless there's some sort of deal between Pelosi and McConnell ... no way does the House vote to Impeach.

The democrats have WAY too much to lose in a Senate trial where the truth is required

 

[horninchicago]

unless there's some sort of deal between Pelosi and McConnell ... no way does the House vote to Impeach.

The democrats have WAY too much to lose in a Senate trial where the truth is required

The dimwit Dem, I know...redundant, I mentioned a few posts ago says a trial plays into the hands of the Dems. It was Madeline Dean of PA.

Not sure, with their rhetoric since November 9, 2016, that they cannot vote to impeach.

 

[Monahorns]

My prediction is that there is never an impeachment vote. There will be hearings and an airing of grievances. But the purpose will be to affect the 2020 Presidential election not to actually impeach. You can quote me on that.

 

[Monahorns]

Just saw Sondland say "yes" to the question, "so no one told you what Trump said". He previously said he "presumed".

Wuuuht?

 

[mchammer]

Just saw Sondland say "yes" to the question, "so no one told you what Trump said". He previously said he "presumed".

Wuuuht?

He wanted to thread the needle.

 

[UTChE96]

Congressmen have immunity so no need for the 5th

Congressmen have immunity from perjury?

 

[ShAArk92]

My prediction is that there is never an impeachment vote.

I just watched this exchange with Amb. Yovanavitch and Rep Stefanik ...

5 minutes ... but the "V8" moment was when Stefanik presents documentation about Yovanavitch's Senate confirmation preparation ... the question about Hunter Biden/Burisma is addressed.

The clip stops before Stefanik indicates the answer or if that question was actually raised in the confirmation hearing ... but it establishes Obama's State Department was concerned about the then VP's son being on this corrupt Ukraine corp BOD.

Stefanik also gets read into the record ... military aid was suspended by Obama ... not Trump. The investigation into Burisma began under Obama, too. Weird.

We've prolly all seen the little meem identifying offspring of various politicos being tied to Burisma. Hello corruption.

This is what we get for refusing to stand firm on keeping the Federal Government sized per the Original US Constitution ... and not a department more.

 

[Joe Fan]

Those Dems have a no win choice to make.

They have to go home this week and face the music

“Vulnerable Democrats spooked by GOP impeachment ad onslaught”

Vulnerable Democrats are watching in horror as GOP impeachment attacks deluge their districts back home. And they want a much stronger counteroffensive from their own party and its allies.

Some of those Democrats raised their concerns with party leaders this week as they prepared to leave for Thanksgiving recess, fearing that voters will be bombarded by anti-impeachment ads as families gather around the TV for parades and football, according to multiple lawmakers and aides.

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Still, top House Republicans insist Democrats’ impeachment inquiry will repel voters in key swing districts next November. Already, GOP strategists say it has been a boon to their fundraising and candidate recruitment.

“The new socialist Democrat majority in the House literally gave away its majority the day it started this impeachment proceeding,” Rep. Tom Emmer said.​

Vulnerable Democrats spooked by GOP impeachment ad onslaught

 

[Joe Fan]

Congressmen have immunity from perjury?

Schiff lied more than Joe McCarthy ever considered. And at least McCarthy believed what he was saying

 

[Joe Fan]

Biden was compromised by his son's employment. There is no way around it. Did Biden act in a compromised manner or was he somehow able to make truly unbiased decisions as if his son was not there at all?

Think about it -- You look at your annual salary of only $150,000 and realize your long-troubled son, who was kicked out of the Navy, arrested on drug charges, who has been sleeping with your other daughter in law, who has no skills and who has never shown any aptitude for anything, suddenly starts making more money in a day than you do in a year. He is making millions trading solely off your name and position.

Might you start to think you deserve your own slice of that pie? Especially if your name is Joe Biden, famous plagiarist in your own right?

 

[ShAArk92]

I hadn't heard that there was a suggestion in the Senate to summarily dismiss without a trial.

A trial WOULD hamper the democrat primaries with all those democrat senators running.

 

[Joe Fan]

I hadn't heard that there was a suggestion in the Senate to summarily dismiss without a trial.
A trial WOULD hamper the democrat primaries with all those democrat senators running.

The Senate dismissed some of the House charges against Andrew Johnson but let some go to a trial. They can dismiss them all if they want.

 

[Joe Fan]

Think about it -- You look at your annual salary of only $150,000 and realize your long-troubled son, who was kicked out of the Navy, arrested on drug charges, who has been sleeping with your other daughter in law, who has no skills and who has never shown any aptitude for anything, suddenly starts making more money in a day than you do in a year. He is making millions trading solely off your name and position.

Might you start to think you deserve your own slice of that pie? Especially if your name is Joe Biden, famous plagiarist in your own right?

Apparently Joe Biden just threatened Lindsey Graham about looking into his dealings --

"Lindsey Graham will regret investigating me his whole life"​

Even the true believers should be willing to admit, ol Joe seems worried about something

 

[UTChE96]

My prediction is that there is never an impeachment vote. There will be hearings and an airing of grievances. But the purpose will be to affect the 2020 Presidential election not to actually impeach. You can quote me on that.

I am puzzled about the end game for Dems. It's been a huge nothingburger. I cannot believe that this is all they had. They have marched with purpose straight into a lose-lose scenario.

Either they impeach Trump and it goes to the Senate where the Republicans will then have full control over the trial. Or they choose not to impeach which will result in half of their base losing their minds (after months of riling them up). Also, will confirm Trump's charge that the entire investigation was a partisan hoax with no basis in fact.

I have never agreed with Pelosi on anything in my life, but I always thought she had good political instincts. I'm starting to rethink that opinion.

 

[I35]

I am puzzled about the end game for Dems. It's been a huge nothingburger. I cannot believe that this is all they had. They have marched with purpose straight into a lose-lose scenario.

Either they impeach Trump and it goes to the Senate where the Republicans will then have full control over the trial. Or they choose not to impeach which will result in half of their base losing their minds (after months of riling them up). Also, will confirm Trump's charge that the entire investigation was a partisan hoax with no basis in fact.

I have never agreed with Pelosi on anything in my life, but I always thought she had good political instincts. I'm starting to rethink that opinion.

I really don’t think they have one. They are so desperate that they are just doing things and hoping it will turn into something. No matter how much corruption it takes.