Impeachment
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Seattle Husker
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On a serious note, Hill is obviously someone not to be ****** with. It's why most of the R questioners used their 5 minutes to lecture rather than question. I suspect were it the D's attacking her she'd also shove their **** back in their face. Sadly, it seems wickedly smart people like her are moving out of government while we are left with bafoons like Sondland.
Based on Morrisons testimony he too can't hold a candle to Hill although she did say that she and Bolton felt a more poltically savvy replacement of her was important given Ukraine policy had become so political under this Admin.
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That CNN compilation was sadly hilarious, from 2017 yet
Damn that is a looonnngggg tipping point and if it was the beginning of the end that is an even longer beginning.
MSM continues to use the same talking points today and we see the haters on here using the same silly points.
Damn that is a looonnngggg tipping point and if it was the beginning of the end that is an even longer beginning.
MSM continues to use the same talking points today and we see the haters on here using the same silly points.
LongestHorn
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OUBubba
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They're called facts. The transcript references the quid...pro...quo...
? What?
Bubba watch the vid and point out to us the facts as YOU see them. Point out where in the vid you hear the words qpq
You are beclowning yourself.
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Bubba do you realize the vid I referenced was from 2017a compilation of MSM using the same silly phrases like "today was a tipping point" and " today was the beginning of the end" over and over and over
Bubba watch the vid and point out to us the facts as YOU see them. Point out where in the vid you hear the words qpq
You are beclowning yourself.
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Bubba do you realize the vid I referenced was from 2017a compilation of MSM using the same silly phrases like "today was a tipping point" and " today was the beginning of the end" over and over and over
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It is stunning to me how it can be said that the Ukraine policy is more political now than it was WHEN THE SON OF THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WAS GIVEN A LUCRATIVE POSITION EVEN THOUGH HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE INDUSTRY, DIDN'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE AND WAS A HUGE CHARACTER RISK BASED UPON HIS DUBIOUS LIFE CHOICES.
Joe Fan
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Some more related info on the Burisma indictment -- they allege former Ukrainian President Yanukovich illegally obtained $7.4 Billion and laundered it through an investment fund close to Democrats in the US --
"The MP explained that this information makes up a part of a large-scale scheme of Zlochevsky’s money laundering that involved politicians from the time of ex-President Viktor Yanukovich who continued this scheme under another (now former) President Pyotr Poroshenko, with the backing of former Governor of the National Bank of Ukraine Valeria Gontareva.
“We will reveal the information about the financial pyramid scheme that was created in Ukraine and developed by everyone beginning with Yanukovich and later by Poroshenko. This system is still working under the guidance of the current managerial board of the National Bank, ensuring that money flows in the interest of people who stole millions of dollars, took it offshore and bought Ukrainian public bonds turning them into the Ukrainian sovereign debt,” Dubinksy claimed. He then added that “in both cases of Yanukovich and Poroshenko, Ms. Gontareva and companies she controls were investing the stolen funds.”
Another Verkhovna Rada MP, Andrei Derkach, claimed that the US Franklin Templeton Investments management company was also involved in the scheme. “The investigation suggests that the Yanukovichs illegally obtained $7.4 billion and laundered it through an investment fund close to the US Democratic Party as government domestic loan bonds,” he pointed out."
“We will reveal the information about the financial pyramid scheme that was created in Ukraine and developed by everyone beginning with Yanukovich and later by Poroshenko. This system is still working under the guidance of the current managerial board of the National Bank, ensuring that money flows in the interest of people who stole millions of dollars, took it offshore and bought Ukrainian public bonds turning them into the Ukrainian sovereign debt,” Dubinksy claimed. He then added that “in both cases of Yanukovich and Poroshenko, Ms. Gontareva and companies she controls were investing the stolen funds.”
Another Verkhovna Rada MP, Andrei Derkach, claimed that the US Franklin Templeton Investments management company was also involved in the scheme. “The investigation suggests that the Yanukovichs illegally obtained $7.4 billion and laundered it through an investment fund close to the US Democratic Party as government domestic loan bonds,” he pointed out."
MPs demand Zelensky, Trump investigate suspicion of U.S.-Ukraine corruption involving $7.4 bln
LongestHorn
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all caps. Serious business.
Yep. That's because the bias is that bad.
OUBubba
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The one sentence that could bring Trump down
There's the quid and the quo.
1. "You were the first one who told me that she was a bad ambassador..."
2. She's going to go through some things.
WTF? Going to go through some things? The odd thing is that they needed no pretext to remove the ambassador. Why they didn't just replace her and move on is beyond me. Not mean enough?
There's the quid and the quo.
Two things to note:
1. "You were the first one who told me that she was a bad ambassador..."
2. She's going to go through some things.
WTF? Going to go through some things? The odd thing is that they needed no pretext to remove the ambassador. Why they didn't just replace her and move on is beyond me. Not mean enough?
How was this personal? Both Dem and GOP voters should want to know if Biden is corrupt. If not corrupt, what is gained or lost? If corrupt, better to know now than than during the general election campaign. Don’t you think Trump could have gotten this info through his campaign? SMH.
OUBubba
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They talked about her. And the previous ambassador. There overlords wanted to load the right wing conspiracy nutjobs with their names so that a President could say to another President, I'm hearing bad things about that ambassador. Just remove her. Right?
LongestHorn
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taint
Seattle Husker
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I don't think you are Jim Jordon or Mike Turner so yelling doesn't statement any greater veracity. You're assumption there which has not been proven is that Hunter had any influence on US policy.
Meanwhile, we've just been served up a heaping helping of information about Giuliani's influence, including the ability to remove an Ambassador, Sondland's bungling in a role he paid for (wasn't Ambassador to the Bahamas available?) and most importantly direct testimony about the attempt to pressure Ukraine for political favors.
Seattle Husker
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The bias like pointing out your friends use of "Twitler" and not nearly all the conservatives on this board with cute little nicknames like Obummer, Hussein, Osama or Shitt and others? Is that the bias you are referencing because you must live in a house void of mirrors to try to use that story to point the finger at the OTHER side Mr. Moderate.
Monahorns
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When is the impeachment vote going to take place. At this point that is the only thing interesting to me. Any testimony will be used as vindication for Rs and justification for Ds.
I only care about how the politics of this all shakes out. No one's mind will be changed on the question.
I only care about how the politics of this all shakes out. No one's mind will be changed on the question.
LongestHorn
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We’ll see about that.
Well I'm glad to understand that you don't see anything wrong with demanding investigations of political opponents or their relatives before releasing appropriated funds to a country who desperately needed the funds for defense. I can finally see why you and others find this impeachment scenario so imponderable.
No proof of that but I know it doesn't matter.
LongestHorn
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Joe Fan
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None of it matters, these people knew they were going to vote for impeachment even before they knew what it was about. This is the world we live in today. It was an impeachment vote looking for somewhere to hang its hat. Can they get all Dems? I doubt it. Can they get enough? Probably -- we will have to wait and see what the 31 Dems who won districts Trump carried have to say for themselves. Will they continue to vote how Nancy demands they vote even if it means the end of their political career? We will see.
Even if so, and I dont know if you saw what I posted above about what Will Hurd signaled, but he is as wobbly as any Republican. If House Dems cannot bring Hurd over to the darkside, then they have zero chance of getting 20 Republican Senators.
Where all these people who are so concerned about Ukraine's defense when Obama denied them weaponry?
For anyone to say Trump put Ukraine in jeopardy for 55 days while Obama sent NOTHING for fear it would piss Russia off only reveals how partisan one is , zero credibilty
BTW all the witnesses including Hill who was against it have admitted Trump sending weaponry to Ukraine has worked
For anyone to say Trump put Ukraine in jeopardy for 55 days while Obama sent NOTHING for fear it would piss Russia off only reveals how partisan one is , zero credibilty
BTW all the witnesses including Hill who was against it have admitted Trump sending weaponry to Ukraine has worked
Opposition to corruption is a stated State Department goal and in fact there was diplomatic, (proper channels) efforts to make sure there was improvement. Did President Trump want the Ukrainian President and Attorney General to announce on CNN they were investigating general corruption? or did he want them to announce they were investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma? Does that make any difference to you?
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I never thought I would see a time where both sides (Trump and Ukraine) said there was no quid pro quo and no witness has any direct evidence with only hearsay/assumptions but yet Trump is somehow guilty. It's pretty mind-blowing if you think about it.
And again, I fail to see Republican contempt for the Whistleblower, because him raising a stink is the only thing that prevented that CNN annoucement from happening and enabled the Commander in Chief to say clearly he wanted no quid pro quo … nothing at all to release the funds that he had held up a couple of months.
OUBubba
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[Gym Jordan]As I have typed about half a dozen times, if there were TRUE concern of corruption, the motivation to investigate would have happened PRIOR to Biden's role as a Dem frontrunner and it would NOT have been mainly focused on a public announcement on US TV!!!!!!!! [/Gym Jordan]
Also, they'd probably not utilize Fraud Guarantee and Rudy G. But that's another investigation.
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