Impeachment

Garmel said:
Hey, Biden did something highly unethical but that doesn't warrant an investigation. :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
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Hunter Biden. I've said before...if we want to pursue every perceived unethical action of every child of a politician then let's go. I doubt anyone wants to do that. I think Ambassador Volker said it best when he learned about the Biden's tie when he called it "self serving", which targeted corruption usually is.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Hunter Biden. I've said before...if we want to pursue every perceived unethical action of every child of a politician then let's go. I doubt anyone wants to do that. I think Ambassador Volker said it best when he learned about the Biden's tie when he called it "self serving", which targeted corruption usually is.
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Doing things like this in a country that has a reputation for corruption doesn't look good. Trump had every right to ask Ukraine to look into this. Being a "political opponent" isn't a get out of jail free card.
 
It is not the action of Hunter Biden alone. It is Joe's public statement he threatened Ukraine.
IF Joe were not one of 21 candidates wouldn't the Dems want corruption investigated?
 
Mr. Deez said:
Even though you guys are on opposite sides of the underlying issue, you're sorta making the same point, which is that changing one's testimony equals blown credibility. It doesn't. Some who change their testimony were lying. That is true. However, I've seen plenty of people (both clients and defendants) change their testimonies after seeing other evidence that refreshes their memories. Sometimes the change was in their interests, but plenty of times it wasn't. You truly can't assume.
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I see what you are saying, but in this case this has been a complete clown show for not just for the impeachment, but the whole three years of the Schitt show (Russia gate) Their side is desperate for credibility. So they don’t get the benefit of doubt. I can’t think of a scenario where they can unless they have a video of Trump’s actual words bribing or doing a Quid pro quo. Outside of that I think we are at a point of no return and not even the media can bail them out. Facts will finally win out the day. Also the perception is that it’s a complete witch hunt and it was more of their own actions rather than Republicans calling foul.
 
Again, if he actually cared about the actual corruption part he would not be concerned with the Pres announcing it on US tv. How do you people miss that simple point?
 
I35 said:
I see what you are saying, but in this case this has been a complete clown show for not just for the impeachment, but the whole three years of the Schitt show (Russia gate) Their side is desperate for credibility. So they don’t get the benefit of doubt. I can’t think of a scenario where they can unless they have a video of Trump’s actual words bribing or doing a Quid pro quo. Outside of that I think we are at a point of no return and not even the media can bail them out. Facts will finally win out the day. Also the perception is that it’s a complete witch hunt and it was more of their own actions rather than Republicans calling foul.
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What will win is that he could gun down some mother ****** on 5th Avenue and the sycophants would not vote to impeach him.
 
OUBubba said:
Again, if he actually cared about the actual corruption part he would not be concerned with the Pres announcing it on US tv. How do you people miss that simple point?
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How is that worse than the Dems exposing the corruption via this impeachment hearing?
 
Actually Trump wanting Ze to announce invetigation publically shows Trump does want the corruption stopped and Investigated.
It has been pointed several times that Ukraine gov't has a history of promising change and investigation only to ignore those promises later.
Trump saying he does not want anything but got Zelensky to do the right thing.
 
I35 said:
I see what you are saying, but in this case this has been a complete clown show for not just for the impeachment, but the whole three years of the Schitt show (Russia gate) Their side is desperate for credibility. So they don’t get the benefit of doubt. I can’t think of a scenario where they can unless they have a video of Trump’s actual words bribing or doing a Quid pro quo. Outside of that I think we are at a point of no return and not even the media can bail them out. Facts will finally win out the day. Also the perception is that it’s a complete witch hunt and it was more of their own actions rather than Republicans calling foul.
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I'm only saying that Sondland changing his testimony isn't necessarily BS. I'm not defending how Democrats are running this process. They're doing a terrible job.
 
Garmel said:
Once again the media/dems is lying about what Sondland actually said.
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In other words...they aren't saying what you want to believe. Please post again the BS that Meadows claimed Sondland wasn't admitting to a quid pro quo. I need more of the "up is down" debate tactic to chuckle at.
 
Horn6721 said:
MrD
That is for me the point. Like many Presidents Trump likely did in some manner say before you get our taxpayer dollars you, Ukraine, need to prove to us this money will not hand up in the wrong hands.
I also think what Biden did for his son was wrong.
So call it a quid pro quo or simply an attempt to make sure our money did not get wasted.
IMO Trump does not think Biden poses any threat to his reelection, Trump would like for Biden to be the nominee.

all that said Sondland is throwing Guiliani and Trump under the schitt bus.
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I'm still watching the testimony, so I haven't formed an opinion on it yet. However, I'm not sure what reason he has to lie. He's a Trump donor and loyalist. He's not a career diplomat or "deep stater."
 
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Seattle Husker said:
In other words...they aren't saying what you want to believe. Please post again the BS that Meadows claimed Sondland wasn't admitting to a quid pro quo. I need more of the "up is down" debate tactic to chuckle at.
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Too bad you're not smart enough to figure out that Sondland's assumptions are not facts.
 
Garmel said:
Too bad you're not smart enough to figure out that Sondland's assumptions are not facts.
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That hurts. I'll be forced into the solace that I'm smart enough to realize that Meadows was shoveling BS. I guess that gives me a leg up on those who weren't smart enough to not regurgitate it.
 
Seattle Husker said:
That hurts. I'll be forced into the solace that I'm smart enough to realize that Meadows was shoveling BS. I guess that gives me a leg up on those who weren't smart enough to not regurgitate it.
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It wasn't BS. Read paragraphs 4 and 5 on Sondland's testimony. These were ASSUMPTIONS on Sondland's part, not facts. I know having to think for yourself instead of letting yourself get brainwashed by the MSM is hard but try it some time. You might actually get something right. o_O
 
LongestHorn said:
Crazy cult Christians shot Rep Jackie Speier 5 times. **** those guys.
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Well of course F those guys but they are hardly an example of anyone or anything except mental illness. If you wish to impute Jones onto every Christian then I'd say you have a world class hang-up and in analyzing virtually anything you say one must take that into consideration.

And just so you know, yesterday I stated unequivocally that I support separation of church and state. And I'll add to that: Vigorously.
 
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